Deformed Dog Wins Crufts Award.

Nodin · 16-03-2016 02:33PM

osarusan wrote: »

Owner is full of concern for her dog:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/crufts-2016-german-shepherd-dog-owner-hits-back-and-says-her-life-s-been-made-a-misery-a6931656.html

It's not her dog people are angry at. If she wants to be concerned about her dog, how about worrying what effects that posture is going to have on the spine and rear legs in its middle and later years.

armaghlad · 16-03-2016 02:34PM

osarusan wrote: »

It was sarcasm

did you read the quote?
Her only concern was that 'her bitch' failed to perform and ruined her owner's big day out.

I know it was. She's a reprobate.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 16-03-2016 02:38PM

We have a Basset Hound and they have changed a lot over the years.

However most Bassets I've seen in Crufts are groossly overweight and Bassets in general seem to be overwight.People remarked before about how thin our fella is but he's been wieghed by the vet and he's the proper weight for his breed.He was in the vets recently with another couple of bassets and the 2 other dogs were close to twice his weight.

Xcellor · 16-03-2016 02:39PM

Niemoj wrote: »

Breeders are evil fúckers, all they're after is money, they don't give a toss about the animals well-being or welfare.

Disagree with this. My parents breed dogs and they research methodically before breeding to ensure uniqueness of ancestry, the dogs undergo testing for genetic diseases and have eyes, hips tested.

If they fail any of the above, they are not bred from end of.

kneemos · 16-03-2016 03:08PM

Xcellor wrote: »

Disagree with this. My parents breed dogs and they research methodically before breeding to ensure uniqueness of ancestry, the dogs undergo testing for genetic diseases and have eyes, hips tested.

If they fail any of the above, they are not bred from end of.

You can have a perfectly healthy Bulldog for example,but it's still deformed.
Breeders breed with specific traits in mind.A pug with a long nose or a German Shepard with a straight back is of no use whatsoever.

ancapailldorcha · 16-03-2016 03:13PM

Why would someone breed for a German Shepard to have a crooked back?

kneemos · 16-03-2016 03:20PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why would someone breed for a German Shepard to have a crooked back?

They all have curved backs,it's become a trait of that particular breed.
Obviously the more the better where competition is concerned.

kylith · 16-03-2016 03:23PM

Nodin wrote: »

It's not her dog people are angry at. If she wants to be concerned about her dog, how about worrying what effects that posture is going to have on the spine and rear legs in its middle and later years.

What really grinds my gears about it is that she's pinning it in the dog being stressed. Maybe it was, but a) all the other dogs were subject to the same stressors and did fine and b) a GSD should be of sound enough temperament to keep cal. In a riot situation, as thousands of them used by police do. If it gets so stressed by a dog show that it freaks out and can't walk then it does not have the right temperament for a GSD and should be disqualified in those grounds alone.

Nodin · 16-03-2016 03:31PM

kneemos wrote: »

They all have curved backs,it's become a trait of that particular breed.
Obviously the more the better where competition is concerned.

Yes, but he pressumably thought you meant as a working dog, as opposed to some arbitrary criteria applied as if to a species of specially bred plant.

16-03-2016 03:36PM

Did it look like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GaJPgI3jh4

ancapailldorcha · 16-03-2016 03:45PM

Nodin wrote: »

Yes, but he pressumably thought you meant as a working dog, as opposed to some arbitrary criteria applied as if to a species of specially bred plant.

I just meant as a dog a normal person might want as a pet to be honest. I'd love to have a Pembroke Welsh Corgi or two someday and a Siberian cat (I am allergic) but if I'd be funding this sort of nonsense....

Boom_Bap · 16-03-2016 03:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did it look like this?

Must watch that movie again, classic. It's what I expect Crufts is like in reality.

16-03-2016 03:49PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Must watch that movie again, classic. It's what I expect Crufts is like in reality.

It's such an underrated movie! I'd have it up there with the likes of This Is Spinal Tap!

kneemos · 16-03-2016 03:57PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I just meant as a dog a normal person might want as a pet to be honest. I'd love to have a Pembroke Welsh Corgi or two someday and a Siberian cat (I am allergic) but if I'd be funding this sort of nonsense....

They exist in a parallel universe.Dogs aren't pets, they're a list of characteristics to be bred and excentuated for the glory of winning an award or financial gain.

God knows how these award winning dogs are kept,are they even let out for fear of getting damaged in some way?

Dyr · 16-03-2016 04:01PM

kneemos wrote: »

They all have curved backs,it's become a trait of that particular breed.
Obviously the more the better where competition is concerned.

It's didnt just become a trait, the breed association decided it gave them more power in their hind legs, and deliberately bred that trait into them

it wasn't a trait for the first hundred plus years of their existence.

diomed · 16-03-2016 04:03PM

Dog shows are about showing. Dog breeds should be about suitability for a task.

Fozzie Bear · 16-03-2016 04:06PM

kneemos wrote: »

They all have curved backs,it's become a trait of that particular breed.

They don't all have curved backs. When is the last time you seen a Police, Army, Rescue any other working type GSD with a sloped back or bad hips?

There are GSD with straight backs and good hip joints out there. Any amount of them. I speak as someone who comes from a family that has always had a German Shepherd, all the way back to my Grandfather. That's 6 dogs including the current one and none of them had that horrible curved spine or sloped hips.

That trait is down to the twats who think it is desirable to have a deformed dog live its life in pain and discomfort because it is trendy. It is bred into some of these dogs but it is by absolutely no means the way all GSD are.

whisky_galore · 16-03-2016 04:07PM

Bambi wrote: »

The idea of a "pure breed" is a nonsense that belongs back in the victorian era

Of course, that would put a lot of people out of a substantial amount of coin

Ah yes, back in the days when someone's character was determined by the bumps on one's head and certain 'races' were deemed inferior.

It's less of a dog show and more of an outdated freak show.

razorblunt · 16-03-2016 04:08PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why would someone breed for a German Shepard to have a crooked back?

People are idiots.

Knine · 16-03-2016 04:09PM

kneemos wrote: »

They exist in a parallel universe.Dogs aren't pets, they're a list of characteristics to be bred and excentuated for the glory of winning an award or financial gain.

God knows how these award winning dogs are kept,are they even let out for fear of getting damaged in some way?

I have major award winning dogs. Yes of course they are let out but not on their own. They are also fit for function & can do the job they were designed for. They go running on the beach, get filty, do the same things as any other dogs except they are better looked after then most pets. They are all health tested & the breeds have not changed for fashion. There are many healthy breeds out there. The average lifespan of one of the breeds I have is late teens & there are some that can get to 17/ 18 years. They outlive most mongrels.

The breeds mentioned above are extreme & the GSD fraternity need to get a grip on reality. There are many reputable breeders out there but unfortunately also many idiot 'Greeders' churning out crossbreeds with silly names. Until people stop buying them puppy farmers will keep producing them.

kneemos · 16-03-2016 04:43PM

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

They don't all have curved backs. When is the last time you seen a Police, Army, Rescue any other working type GSD with a sloped back or bad hips?

There are GSD with straight backs and good hip joints out there. Any amount of them. I speak as someone who comes from a family that has always had a German Shepherd, all the way back to my Grandfather. That's 6 dogs including the current one and none of them had that horrible curved spine or sloped hips.

That trait is down to the twats who think it is desirable to have a deformed dog live its life in pain and discomfort because it is trendy. It is bred into some of these dogs but it is by absolutely no means the way all GSD are.

Rounded rear haunches I should say. Any that l've seen,including police dogs have this look.
I know other types may exist.

Nodin · 16-03-2016 05:28PM

kneemos wrote: »

Rounded rear haunches I should say. Any that l've seen,including police dogs have this look.
I know other types may exist.

They do, but unless its just a trick of that photo, that dog there looks way more low to the ground in the rear than is the norm.
http://www.northumbria.police.uk/media/3424/rip_2_tcm4_73479.jpg

vs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/pets/12195037/The-Kennel-Club-should-be-an-exemplar-when-it-comes-to-dog-health-but-it-is-far-from-winning-Best-in-Show.html

Certainly it seems far different than any GS I've come across IRL.

failinis · 16-03-2016 05:47PM

Here is a video where you can see how the dog was 100 years ago (straight back) and how it slowly was favoured in breeders to have the sloped back.

I would say almost all working police/hunting/guard GSD I have seen would have good hips and spines.

suicide_circus · 16-03-2016 06:02PM

I've never understood people paying big money for pure bred pedigree dogs. Nothing more than fashion accessories.

failinis · 16-03-2016 06:05PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I've never understood people paying big money for pure bred pedigree dogs. Nothing more than fashion accessories.

I think if its for a working dog, you would want to know exactly what you are getting so fair enough (but I know many a mix breed working dog who are fine).
The show lines are horrible compared to working lines.

suicide_circus · 16-03-2016 06:10PM

failinis wrote: »

I think if its for a working dog, you would want to know exactly what you are getting so fair enough (but I know many a mix breed working dog who are fine).
The show lines are horrible compared to working lines.

Not talking about working dogs. People living in suburban estates buying staffies, huskies, pugs etc pure fashion accessories.

Samaris · 16-03-2016 07:44PM

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/pedigree-dogs-exposed/

I saw this linked somewhere...I think facebook and started watching it. Well, I'm not usually one to watch vids, but I sat through this one from beginning to end. I can't say if it's absolutely the whole story or not, not knowing a great deal about dogs myself, but I found it very informative (and not a little horrifying).

German Shepherds were mentioned and as I recall, the ones that are working dogs are deliberately not taken from this so-called best of breed ****e, they look much more like the original GSDs with a haunch that means the poor thing can walk and run properly instead of that awful bow-legged waddle.

There's a good blurb under it too. This quote is particularly salient to the discussion;
"People are carrying out breeding which would be first of all entirely illegal in humans and secondly is absolutely insane from the point of view of the health of the animals. In some breeds they are paying a terrible price in genetic disease." - Steve Jones, prof of genetics, University College London.

jungleman · 16-03-2016 08:00PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I've never understood people paying big money for pure bred pedigree dogs. Nothing more than fashion accessories.

Not altogether true. When I was growing up, we had a pure bred golden retriever. We purchased her from a really reputable breeder who went to great lengths to make sure that the dogs were healthy and genetically sound. They kept records of the family histories of every single dog they bred.

My parents didn't buy a golden retriever because she was a fashion accessory, they bought her because they're known for being great with children. She lived until she was nearly 11, which is a good age for a golden retriever, or any large dog. She was happy and healthy.

In instances like Crufts, where that German Shepard was bred to have that deformed shape, that is wrong. Plainly wrong. It's worse than wrong, it's disgusting and cruel. However, there are a lot of breeders out there who love their dogs and are horrified at this type of stuff.

People have their own reasons for buying pedigree dogs, but you can't just label them all as being for "fashion accessory" purposes.

Poppi.jpg

Poppi Grown Up.jpg

BeAllEndAll · 16-03-2016 08:07PM

Why people don't go to pounds or shelters and adopt dogs rather than paying hundreds for inbred dogs is beyond me, especially with how scummy a lot of breeders are. It's really sad that there are thousands of amazing dogs that'll be euthanized when they could otherwise go into loving homes and be some of the most loyal dogs possible.

failinis · 16-03-2016 08:12PM

Samaris wrote: »

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/pedigree-dogs-exposed/

I saw this linked somewhere...I think facebook and started watching it. Well, I'm not usually one to watch vids, but I sat through this one from beginning to end. I can't say if it's absolutely the whole story or not, not knowing a great deal about dogs myself, but I found it very informative (and not a little horrifying).

German Shepherds were mentioned and as I recall, the ones that are working dogs are deliberately not taken from this so-called best of breed ****e, they look much more like the original GSDs with a haunch that means the poor thing can walk and run properly instead of that awful bow-legged waddle.

There's a good blurb under it too. This quote is particularly salient to the discussion;
"People are carrying out breeding which would be first of all entirely illegal in humans and secondly is absolutely insane from the point of view of the health of the animals. In some breeds they are paying a terrible price in genetic disease." - Steve Jones, prof of genetics, University College London.

I will watch this later on.
A friend of mine has had a few boxer dogs and all have had fits and seizures, apparently its just "accepted" in the breed?

Another has a little King Charles Spaniel as far as I remember and the vet told them the skull was too small for the brain and caused a lot of problems.
Pure breed dogs are fine - if they have a wide blood pool and try to breed out the illnesses. Not encourage.

Deformed Dog Wins Crufts Award.

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