Deformed Dog Wins Crufts Award.

kneemos

A deformed German Shepherd won a best of award at Crufts,always thought they looked a bit odd in the rear but this guy was positively deformed looking.This is the ideal breeders are aiming for apparently.
Pugs and bulldogs are other breeds I feel sorry for,can't breath or walk right poor devils. https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/pets/12195037/The-Kennel-Club-should-be-an-exemplar-when-it-comes-to-dog-health-but-it-is-far-from-winning-Best-in-Show.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjR676TtcTLAhXFbZoKHfwVANgQFgg_MAg&usg=AFQjCNED_0BW17AGUu11lBDUji8zDhx2iw

Niemoj

Breeders are evil fúckers, all they're after is money, they don't give a toss about the animals well-being or welfare.

Liam McPoyle

Did you see him play the banjo though?

You would have given him the nod too if you had.

armaghlad

Saw this. Like I said on the crufts thread the poor thing looks like it was hit by a car. I really don't like crufts and the lengths some breeders go to.

Pinch Flat

I'm no dog expert, but that looks just wrong

Hercule Poirot

It's been known for years that the dogs are suffering through afflictions and deformities brought about through inbreeding programs to maintain the "pedigree" of the animal, yet nothing has been done

Don't forget that this event is televised and treated as if it is a grand day out for all and sundry, it's sick and needs to be stopped.

Ice Maiden

kneemos wrote: »

Pugs and bulldogs are other breeds I feel sorry for,can't breath or walk right poor devils.

Yeah I do not understand the obsession with pugs. I do not think they are cute looking (the opposite) and they look so miserable all the time.

kylith

armaghlad wrote: »

Saw this. Like I said on the crufts thread the poor thing looks like it was hit by a car. I really don't like crufts and the lengths some breeders go to.

She stands like my dog does when he's having a slash. Poor dogs, eternally stuck mid-wee

smash

Sure a chick with a beard won the Eurovision a few years ago...

harry Bailey esq

smash wrote: »

Sure a chick with a beard won the Eurovision a few years ago...

Nah that was a bloke with tits

gramar

smash wrote: »

Sure a chick with a beard won the Eurovision a few years ago...

That's not a nice thing to say about Linda Martin.

Wibbs

Niemoj wrote: »

Breeders are evil fúckers, all they're after is money, they don't give a toss about the animals well-being or welfare.

There's truth in that N, however the buying public are just as much to blame for this. It goes both ways and if there wasn't a market for "designer" dogs breeders wouldn't be breeding them.

The poor old German shepherd is pretty screwed as a breed. Look at the earliest photos of the type and then look at that crufts abomination. You don't have to go to the UK either, check out the local breeders and clubs. Mutants all over the place. Even the "healthy" ones often have bad hips and that's going by accepted hip scores that would raise concern in wild dog populations. In over a century of research not a single wolf has been found with hip dysplasia, never mind a host of other inbreeding complaints in dogs(and wolves actually have quite narrow genetic diversity within geographical areas).

Look at early photos and paintings of other well known breeds. The various bulldogs look like a different animal even a century ago. The stiff legged, barely able to breathe British bulldog of today is a crime against nature and often can't even give birth naturally as their heads are too big. The King Charles can suffer from lifetime migraines and their eyes can even pop out of their sockets as their skulls are too small. IMH any of those crushed faced dogs are abominations, but the public keep buying them.

osarusan

Owner is full of concern for her dog:

"As if it was not upsetting enough that my bitch faltered under the heavy media coverage in the arena on what should have been the happiest day of my show life to then be tried and convicted on social media and the press, this has now become the worst nightmare of my show life."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/crufts-2016-german-shepherd-dog-owner-hits-back-and-says-her-life-s-been-made-a-misery-a6931656.html

Alf Stewart.

Most of the well known breeds these days carry genetic faults and deformations.

They have messed up the current day bulldog (British) so badly that they find it almost impossible to mate naturally, (artificially insemination is the usual method to breed now) and the bitches find it difficult to give birth naturally. This in turn has ramped up the prices of British bulldog pups to well over a couple of grand these days.


Best bet is to get yourself a mongrel. You're (hopefully) going to avoid possible inbreeding and genetic problems, not to mention having to avoid unscrupulous breeders operating puppy farms etc.

Knex*

Wibbs wrote: »

There's truth in that N, however the buying public are just as much to blame for this. It goes both ways and if there wasn't a market for "designer" dogs breeders wouldn't be breeding them.

The poor old German shepherd is pretty screwed as a breed. Look at the earliest photos of the type and then look at that crufts abomination. You don't have to go to the UK either, check out the local breeders and clubs. Mutants all over the place. Even the "healthy" ones often have bad hips and that's going by accepted hip scores that would raise concern in wild dog populations. In over a century of research not a single wolf has been found with hip dysplasia, never mind a host of other inbreeding complaints in dogs(and wolves actually have quite narrow genetic diversity within geographical areas).

Look at early photos and paintings of other well known breeds. The various bulldogs look like a different animal even a century ago. The stiff legged, barely able to breathe British bulldog of today is a crime against nature and often can't even give birth naturally as their heads are too big. The King Charles can suffer from lifetime migraines and their eyes can even pop out of their sockets as their skulls are too small. IMH any of those crushed faced dogs are abominations, but the public keep buying them.

To follow on from this. There was an article before whereby a researcher compared breeds of dog from 1915, to their modern 2015 counterpart.

Its not pretty.

https://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/

gramar

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Most of the well known breeds these days carry genetic faults and deformations.

They have messed up the current day bulldog (British) so badly that they find it almost impossible to mate naturally, (artificially insemination is the usual method to breed now) and the bitches find it difficult to give birth naturally. This in turn has ramped up the prices of British bulldog pups to well over a couple of grand these days.


Best bet is to get yourself a mongrel. You're (hopefully) going to avoid possible inbreeding and genetic problems, not to mention having to avoid unscrupulous breeders operating puppy farms etc.

How many dingos do you have out the back Alf?

Alf Stewart.

gramar wrote: »

How many dingos do you have out the back Alf?

None these days mate, the few that used to hang about the veranda got introduced to me 10 bore after trying to eat the baby.

smash

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Nah that was a bloke with tits

There's no such thing as chicks with dicks... only guys with tits!

kylith

Wibbs wrote: »

There's truth in that N, however the buying public are just as much to blame for this. It goes both ways and if there wasn't a market for "designer" dogs breeders wouldn't be breeding them.

The poor old German shepherd is pretty screwed as a breed. Look at the earliest photos of the type and then look at that crufts abomination. You don't have to go to the UK either, check out the local breeders and clubs. Mutants all over the place. Even the "healthy" ones often have bad hips and that's going by accepted hip scores that would raise concern in wild dog populations. In over a century of research not a single wolf has been found with hip dysplasia, never mind a host of other inbreeding complaints in dogs(and wolves actually have quite narrow genetic diversity within geographical areas).

Look at early photos and paintings of other well known breeds. The various bulldogs look like a different animal even a century ago. The stiff legged, barely able to breathe British bulldog of today is a crime against nature and often can't even give birth naturally as their heads are too big. The King Charles can suffer from lifetime migraines and their eyes can even pop out of their sockets as their skulls are too small. IMH any of those crushed faced dogs are abominations, but the public keep buying them.

While you are absolutely correct I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the kennel club. The KC asked this judge to judge the breed and despite all their guff about making these breeds better they obviously are not keeping an eye on the judging and the shows. If these crook-backed dogs were turned away from KC shows by KC officials the breeders wouldn't be long about breeding for healthy conformation. Sure, the breed clubs could tell them to shove it but that Crufts BoB is a prize with too much cachet to lose out on.

Same with all the breeds, especially those in bad shape. The KC could demand hip, elbow, and eye scores for all dogs entering their shows. Dog doesn't have good enough scores? Dog doesn't compete.

Alf Stewart.

smash wrote: »

There's no such thing as chicks with dicks... only guys with tits!

I got moobs like jagger.

gramar

kylith wrote: »

While you are absolutely correct I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the kennel club. The KC asked this judge to judge the breed and despite all their guff about making these breeds better they obviously are not keeping an eye on the judging and the shows. If these crook-backed dogs were turned away from KC shows by KC officials the breeders wouldn't be long about breeding for healthy conformation. Sure, the breed clubs could tell them to shove it but that Crufts BoB is a prize with too much cachet to lose out on.

Same with all the breeds, especially those in bad shape. The KC could demand hip, elbow, and eye scores for all dogs entering their shows. Dog doesn't have good enough scores? Dog doesn't compete.

You would think that if designer dogs weren't considered in these shows then you'd hope that would discourage people from breeding them.

It's also hard to understand why people would want to own often physically unappealing dogs and ones who are often riddled with illnesses.

armaghlad

osarusan wrote: »

Owner is full of concern for her dog:



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/crufts-2016-german-shepherd-dog-owner-hits-back-and-says-her-life-s-been-made-a-misery-a6931656.html

My heart bleeds for her. What a moron

razorblunt

We're looking at getting a dog soon and will be getting a terrier. We were wondering why the recommended breeder we were told about wasn't KC registered. Turns out she is/was, but went on to rant about everything already mentioned above there. Definitely opened my eyes, I mean I already knew about the issues with Bulldogs, Pugs, Boxers et al. but I wasn't aware of the KC criteria for scores.

Wasn't there also a concern last year of a handler, incorrectly lifting her dog to the stand?

One of the finalists this year looked like the dog/footstool from Beauty & the Beast, bulging eyes, stiff legs and lopping tongue. Not a good advert.

kylith

gramar wrote: »

You would think that if designer dogs weren't considered in these shows then you'd hope that would discourage people from breeding them.

It's also hard to understand why people would want to own often physically unappealing dogs and ones who are often riddled with illnesses.

Designer dogs tend to be the madey-uppy breeds like cavachons and cockapoos so they're not considered in shows. They're bred by unscrupulous tosspots and sold to people with more money than sense who'll pay hundreds of euro for the kind of mongrel that'd have been given away for free 15 years ago just because someone's slapped a ridiculous name on it. These poor dogs are bred and kept in some of the most horrific conditions you'd ever come across.

Wibbs

osarusan wrote: »

Owner is full of concern for her dog:

Fcuk her, as far as I'm concerned. She has little moral ground to be voicing "concerns" from.

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Best bet is to get yourself a mongrel. You're (hopefully) going to avoid possible inbreeding and genetic problems,

These days the mutt can be worse because the breed history isn't known there can be all sorts of hidden problems.

Knex. wrote: »

To follow on from this. There was an article before whereby a researcher compared breeds of dog from 1915, to their modern 2015 counterpart.

Its not pretty.

It is not.

kylith wrote: »

Same with all the breeds, especially those in bad shape. The KC could demand hip, elbow, and eye scores for all dogs entering their shows. Dog doesn't have good enough scores? Dog doesn't compete.

I agree K, but never going to happen, or not unless legally forced to. Take the German shepherd, I guarantee not one in that hall had normal hips/hip score of 0, but some vets will be only too happy to tick the box that says healthy. Don't get me started on some vets, or the dog "food" industry, or pet insurance ramping up costs or the near fetish in some for castrating dogs.

osarusan

armaghlad wrote: »

My heart bleeds for her. What a moron

Wibbs wrote: »

Fcuk her, as far as I'm concerned. She has little moral ground to be voicing "concerns" from.

It was sarcasm

did you read the quote?
Her only concern was that 'her bitch' failed to perform and ruined her owner's big day out.

pickarooney

That's some messed up Mengele ****. Bad enough wanting an animal who's unwaveringly loyal and obedient no matter how you treat it but to deliberately breed it so it suffers for some insane aesthetic is beyond barbaric.

ancapailldorcha

osarusan wrote: »

Owner is full of concern for her dog:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/crufts-2016-german-shepherd-dog-owner-hits-back-and-says-her-life-s-been-made-a-misery-a6931656.html

While I'm deeply uneasy about the idea of people being tried and judged on Twatter and its ilk, I have zero sympathy for her. As Wibbs said, there's a market for this tripe and the people who buy tickets are doing the most to fuel it.

Hercule Poirot

The reality is that I don't mind a good dog show, we have a local one every year and it's ordinary people bringing ordinary dogs to compete for prizes - there is nothing wrong with taking pride in a pet that you love and want to show off

But this "show" is completely cruel and unnecessary...

Nodin

kneemos wrote: »

A deformed German Shepherd won a best of award at Crufts,always thought they looked a bit odd in the rear but this guy was positively deformed looking.This is the ideal breeders are aiming for apparently.
Pugs and bulldogs are other breeds I feel sorry for,can't breath or walk right poor devils. https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/pets/12195037/The-Kennel-Club-should-be-an-exemplar-when-it-comes-to-dog-health-but-it-is-far-from-winning-Best-in-Show.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjR676TtcTLAhXFbZoKHfwVANgQFgg_MAg&usg=AFQjCNED_0BW17AGUu11lBDUji8zDhx2iw

In all honesty, if I saw a dog like that I would be thinking that somewhere along the line somebody didn't have the heart to have the animal put down (not that I'm saying they should).

tl/dr = beatings all round. Except for the dog.

Dyr

The idea of a "pure breed" is a nonsense that belongs back in the victorian era

Of course, that would put a lot of people out of a substantial amount of coin

Nodin

osarusan wrote: »

Owner is full of concern for her dog:



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/crufts-2016-german-shepherd-dog-owner-hits-back-and-says-her-life-s-been-made-a-misery-a6931656.html

It's not her dog people are angry at. If she wants to be concerned about her dog, how about worrying what effects that posture is going to have on the spine and rear legs in its middle and later years.

armaghlad

osarusan wrote: »

It was sarcasm

did you read the quote?
Her only concern was that 'her bitch' failed to perform and ruined her owner's big day out.

I know it was. She's a reprobate.

Dirty Dingus McGee

We have a Basset Hound and they have changed a lot over the years.

However most Bassets I've seen in Crufts are groossly overweight and Bassets in general seem to be overwight.People remarked before about how thin our fella is but he's been wieghed by the vet and he's the proper weight for his breed.He was in the vets recently with another couple of bassets and the 2 other dogs were close to twice his weight.

Xcellor

Niemoj wrote: »

Breeders are evil fúckers, all they're after is money, they don't give a toss about the animals well-being or welfare.

Disagree with this. My parents breed dogs and they research methodically before breeding to ensure uniqueness of ancestry, the dogs undergo testing for genetic diseases and have eyes, hips tested.

If they fail any of the above, they are not bred from end of.

kneemos

Xcellor wrote: »

Disagree with this. My parents breed dogs and they research methodically before breeding to ensure uniqueness of ancestry, the dogs undergo testing for genetic diseases and have eyes, hips tested.

If they fail any of the above, they are not bred from end of.

You can have a perfectly healthy Bulldog for example,but it's still deformed.
Breeders breed with specific traits in mind.A pug with a long nose or a German Shepard with a straight back is of no use whatsoever.

ancapailldorcha

Why would someone breed for a German Shepard to have a crooked back?

kneemos

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why would someone breed for a German Shepard to have a crooked back?

They all have curved backs,it's become a trait of that particular breed.
Obviously the more the better where competition is concerned.

kylith

Nodin wrote: »

It's not her dog people are angry at. If she wants to be concerned about her dog, how about worrying what effects that posture is going to have on the spine and rear legs in its middle and later years.

What really grinds my gears about it is that she's pinning it in the dog being stressed. Maybe it was, but a) all the other dogs were subject to the same stressors and did fine and b) a GSD should be of sound enough temperament to keep cal. In a riot situation, as thousands of them used by police do. If it gets so stressed by a dog show that it freaks out and can't walk then it does not have the right temperament for a GSD and should be disqualified in those grounds alone.

Nodin

kneemos wrote: »

They all have curved backs,it's become a trait of that particular breed.
Obviously the more the better where competition is concerned.

Yes, but he pressumably thought you meant as a working dog, as opposed to some arbitrary criteria applied as if to a species of specially bred plant.

Did it look like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GaJPgI3jh4

ancapailldorcha

Nodin wrote: »

Yes, but he pressumably thought you meant as a working dog, as opposed to some arbitrary criteria applied as if to a species of specially bred plant.

I just meant as a dog a normal person might want as a pet to be honest. I'd love to have a Pembroke Welsh Corgi or two someday and a Siberian cat (I am allergic) but if I'd be funding this sort of nonsense....

Boom_Bap

Deleted User wrote: »

Did it look like this?

Must watch that movie again, classic. It's what I expect Crufts is like in reality.

Boom_Bap

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Must watch that movie again, classic. It's what I expect Crufts is like in reality.

It's such an underrated movie! I'd have it up there with the likes of This Is Spinal Tap!

kneemos

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I just meant as a dog a normal person might want as a pet to be honest. I'd love to have a Pembroke Welsh Corgi or two someday and a Siberian cat (I am allergic) but if I'd be funding this sort of nonsense....

They exist in a parallel universe.Dogs aren't pets, they're a list of characteristics to be bred and excentuated for the glory of winning an award or financial gain.

God knows how these award winning dogs are kept,are they even let out for fear of getting damaged in some way?

Dyr

kneemos wrote: »

They all have curved backs,it's become a trait of that particular breed.
Obviously the more the better where competition is concerned.

It's didnt just become a trait, the breed association decided it gave them more power in their hind legs, and deliberately bred that trait into them

it wasn't a trait for the first hundred plus years of their existence.

diomed

Dog shows are about showing. Dog breeds should be about suitability for a task.

Fozzie Bear

kneemos wrote: »

They all have curved backs,it's become a trait of that particular breed.

They don't all have curved backs. When is the last time you seen a Police, Army, Rescue any other working type GSD with a sloped back or bad hips?

There are GSD with straight backs and good hip joints out there. Any amount of them. I speak as someone who comes from a family that has always had a German Shepherd, all the way back to my Grandfather. That's 6 dogs including the current one and none of them had that horrible curved spine or sloped hips.

That trait is down to the twats who think it is desirable to have a deformed dog live its life in pain and discomfort because it is trendy. It is bred into some of these dogs but it is by absolutely no means the way all GSD are.

whisky_galore

Bambi wrote: »

The idea of a "pure breed" is a nonsense that belongs back in the victorian era

Of course, that would put a lot of people out of a substantial amount of coin

Ah yes, back in the days when someone's character was determined by the bumps on one's head and certain 'races' were deemed inferior.

It's less of a dog show and more of an outdated freak show.

razorblunt

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why would someone breed for a German Shepard to have a crooked back?

People are idiots.

Knine

kneemos wrote: »

They exist in a parallel universe.Dogs aren't pets, they're a list of characteristics to be bred and excentuated for the glory of winning an award or financial gain.

God knows how these award winning dogs are kept,are they even let out for fear of getting damaged in some way?

I have major award winning dogs. Yes of course they are let out but not on their own. They are also fit for function & can do the job they were designed for. They go running on the beach, get filty, do the same things as any other dogs except they are better looked after then most pets. They are all health tested & the breeds have not changed for fashion. There are many healthy breeds out there. The average lifespan of one of the breeds I have is late teens & there are some that can get to 17/ 18 years. They outlive most mongrels.

The breeds mentioned above are extreme & the GSD fraternity need to get a grip on reality. There are many reputable breeders out there but unfortunately also many idiot 'Greeders' churning out crossbreeds with silly names. Until people stop buying them puppy farmers will keep producing them.