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Dublin 9th most congested city of 200

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  • #102
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I live on the No 4 route and never knew what or where Harristown was, nor that it was a destination that facilitated the drivers. I suppose that is reasonable given the length of the route but the route ought to be extended to, or rerouted via, the airport since it is so close to Harristown.

    How many passengers are typically on the bus after the bus passes the M50 going towards Harristown?

    feck all, yo get a few people getting on or off past the M50 but that's it.

    The 4 would'nt be able to deal with the volume of passengers it would pick up if it went to the airport. It's already a basket case of a route


  • #103
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Bambi wrote: »
    feck all, yo get a few people getting on or off past the M50 but that's it.

    The 4 would'nt be able to deal with the volume of passengers it would pick up if it went to the airport. It's already a basket case of a route

    If it got more passengers, the I would assume it would get more buses.

    What makes it a basket case of a route?


  • #104
    alane20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭alane20


    As a regular user of the m3 motorway from navan to Mountjoy square, I curse the fact that the rail link from navan to connelly is just rusting away, previous government planners need hanging


  • #105
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,711 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Every bus/coach operator has to pay for using the bus stop facilities at Dublin Airport.

    Personally I think that PSO services, given their nature, should be exempt from this as it does not encourage developing extra bus services to/from the airport.

    It might be arguable as allowable for commercial services, but I do think its somewhat daft for PSO routes.

    I'd agree with that.

    Have you any ideas how they calculate the levy at the airport? Is it a percentage of the ticket price or a flat rate for all operators, irrespective of the fares they are receiving? It would seem harsh for the 41 route to be paying the same as Aircoach for instance.


  • #106
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,185 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    If it got more passengers, the I would assume it would get more buses.

    What makes it a basket case of a route?

    The route would need a new schedule, more buses and more running time to ensure reliability.

    That's a given if you extend the route.


  • #107
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,185 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I'd agree with that.

    Have you any ideas how they calculate the levy at the airport? Is it a percentage of the ticket price or a flat rate for all operators, irrespective of the fares they are receiving? It would seem harsh for the 41 route to be paying the same as Aircoach for instance.

    I'd say it is a flat fee - I'm not sure.


  • #108
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    lxflyer wrote: »
    The route would need a new schedule, more buses and more running time to ensure reliability.

    That's a given if you extend the route.

    I accept that.

    Do DB adjust routes to take account of usage? I saw a 27x this morning at 9am on its way to UCD with three passengers on it.


  • #109
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,185 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I accept that.

    Do DB adjust routes to take account of usage? I saw a 27x this morning at 9am on its way to UCD with three passengers on it.
    Well where did you see it? I'm guessing somewhere between Ballsbridge and UCD?

    Bear in mind that bus could have been completely full before that, and that an awful lot of people would have got off between the city centre and Ballsbridge.


  • #110
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Well where did you see it? I'm guessing somewhere between Ballsbridge and UCD?

    Bear in mind that bus could have been completely full before that, and that an awful lot of people would have got off between the city centre and Ballsbridge.

    Exactly right - at Tesco Merrion Centre turning up Nuttley Lane.

    However, the point is - do DB adjust schedules depending on passenger numbers - either up or down?


  • #111
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭trellheim


    As a regular user of the m3 motorway from navan to Mountjoy square, I curse the fact that the rail link from navan to connelly is just rusting away, previous government planners need hanging

    Yeek. I'm not sure you'd be happy with a slow trip to Drogheda and then Drogheda into Connolly ? ( off topic I know ) Have you beein using the P&R at Dunboyne ?


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  • #112
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    If it got more passengers, the I would assume it would get more buses.

    What makes it a basket case of a route?

    It covers a huge distance, it serves two universities. It's prone to being flash packed by the roaming gangs of tourists that seem to only travel in groups of 80 or so


    That's before you get to the dublin bus shenanigans, running the buses in convoys, taking buses out of service for portions of the route and then the opposite, running the bus but taking it off RTPI.

    You could throw more buses at the route but it won't solve the problems

    Also, you'd have to throw a LOT of buses at the route given the sparsity of its weekend timetable


  • #113
    Vic_08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I'd agree with that.

    Have you any ideas how they calculate the levy at the airport? Is it a percentage of the ticket price or a flat rate for all operators, irrespective of the fares they are receiving? It would seem harsh for the 41 route to be paying the same as Aircoach for instance.

    The coach park is charged by the hour like the carparks.

    All the other bus bays are sold to the operators at long-term rates.

    They had some sort of highest-bidder system some years ago; that is why Aircoach took over the prime spots directly outside T1 Arrivals, they paid more for them than DB.

    The charges for the spots are considerable, I have no doubt it would be a big disincentive to run more routes in there.

    The entire bus provision is a joke in DUB, crappy open-air roadside stops that they charge a fortune for and a remote coach park that is used as a de-facto bus station for smaller operators . The space outside T2 is very inefficiently laid out, a proper bus station should have been part of the T2 build with bays and indoor waiting area.

    Something like the combined Rail/Bus station in Manchester would be appropriate for the number of scheduled bus/coach services DUB has, then again MAN is owned by the local authority who consider providing services for their constituents whereas DAA just see the bus/coach operators as a profit centre.


  • #114
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭trellheim


    A smart man in Department of Transport would countercharge DAA by the number of private vehicle journeys taken - that would soon soften their cough. For a supposed semistate they are rapacious sharks


  • #115
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,185 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Exactly right - at Tesco Merrion Centre turning up Nuttley Lane.

    However, the point is - do DB adjust schedules depending on passenger numbers - either up or down?

    If a route doesn't work or there are capacity issues yes of course they would. That's what Network Direct was about.

    But there really hasn't been much scope for change in recent years given the lack of funding - we are only beginning to see changes to schedules again after the recession.

    But I don't see that applying in this case - running the bus in service to UCD makes sense, as it can then do a short working from there into the city centre on either the 39a or 46a before heading back to the garage.

    As I said above you have to look at it in context.


  • #116
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    lxflyer wrote: »
    If a route doesn't work or there are capacity issues yes of course they would. That's what Network Direct was about.

    But there really hasn't been much scope for change in recent years given the lack of funding - we are only beginning to see changes to schedules again after the recession.

    But I don't see that applying in this case - running the bus in service to UCD makes sense, as it can then do a short working from there into the city centre on either the 39a or 46a before heading back to the garage.

    As I said above you have to look at it in context.

    Fair enough. (- or is it fare enough).


  • #117
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    lxflyer wrote: »
    If a route doesn't work or there are capacity issues yes of course they would. That's what Network Direct was about.

    :confused:

    Cost savings is what network direct was about


  • #118
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,185 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Bambi wrote: »
    :confused:

    Cost savings is what network direct was about

    Well do you not think reducing unnecessary duplication and excess capacity falls under that?

    If you're trying to tell me that there wasn't excess capacity then you're living in a different world.

    Now I didn't and don't agree with the weekend cutbacks to the 4, but there were plenty of other changes that were correct, such as integrating bus departures along certain corridors, and reducing unnecessary duplication of routes.


  • #119
    maninasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,623 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Funding is available from different sources to support infrastructure investment. Last government were fools.

    http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0324/c90000-9034596.html


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