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Deformed Dog Wins Crufts Award.

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Niemoj


    Breeders are evil fúckers, all they're after is money, they don't give a toss about the animals well-being or welfare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    Did you see him play the banjo though?

    You would have given him the nod too if you had.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    Saw this. Like I said on the crufts thread the poor thing looks like it was hit by a car. I really don't like crufts and the lengths some breeders go to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    I'm no dog expert, but that looks just wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Hercule Poirot


    It's been known for years that the dogs are suffering through afflictions and deformities brought about through inbreeding programs to maintain the "pedigree" of the animal, yet nothing has been done

    Don't forget that this event is televised and treated as if it is a grand day out for all and sundry, it's sick and needs to be stopped.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Ice Maiden


    kneemos wrote: »
    Pugs and bulldogs are other breeds I feel sorry for,can't breath or walk right poor devils.
    Yeah I do not understand the obsession with pugs. I do not think they are cute looking (the opposite) and they look so miserable all the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    armaghlad wrote: »
    Saw this. Like I said on the crufts thread the poor thing looks like it was hit by a car. I really don't like crufts and the lengths some breeders go to.

    She stands like my dog does when he's having a slash. Poor dogs, eternally stuck mid-wee


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Sure a chick with a beard won the Eurovision a few years ago...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    smash wrote: »
    Sure a chick with a beard won the Eurovision a few years ago...

    Nah that was a bloke with tits


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    smash wrote: »
    Sure a chick with a beard won the Eurovision a few years ago...

    That's not a nice thing to say about Linda Martin.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Niemoj wrote: »
    Breeders are evil fúckers, all they're after is money, they don't give a toss about the animals well-being or welfare.
    There's truth in that N, however the buying public are just as much to blame for this. It goes both ways and if there wasn't a market for "designer" dogs breeders wouldn't be breeding them.

    The poor old German shepherd is pretty screwed as a breed. Look at the earliest photos of the type and then look at that crufts abomination. You don't have to go to the UK either, check out the local breeders and clubs. Mutants all over the place. Even the "healthy" ones often have bad hips and that's going by accepted hip scores that would raise concern in wild dog populations. In over a century of research not a single wolf has been found with hip dysplasia, never mind a host of other inbreeding complaints in dogs(and wolves actually have quite narrow genetic diversity within geographical areas).

    Look at early photos and paintings of other well known breeds. The various bulldogs look like a different animal even a century ago. The stiff legged, barely able to breathe British bulldog of today is a crime against nature and often can't even give birth naturally as their heads are too big. The King Charles can suffer from lifetime migraines and their eyes can even pop out of their sockets as their skulls are too small. IMH any of those crushed faced dogs are abominations, but the public keep buying them.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Owner is full of concern for her dog:
    "As if it was not upsetting enough that my bitch faltered under the heavy media coverage in the arena on what should have been the happiest day of my show life to then be tried and convicted on social media and the press, this has now become the worst nightmare of my show life."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/crufts-2016-german-shepherd-dog-owner-hits-back-and-says-her-life-s-been-made-a-misery-a6931656.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    Most of the well known breeds these days carry genetic faults and deformations.

    They have messed up the current day bulldog (British) so badly that they find it almost impossible to mate naturally, (artificially insemination is the usual method to breed now) and the bitches find it difficult to give birth naturally. This in turn has ramped up the prices of British bulldog pups to well over a couple of grand these days.


    Best bet is to get yourself a mongrel. You're (hopefully) going to avoid possible inbreeding and genetic problems, not to mention having to avoid unscrupulous breeders operating puppy farms etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,475 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Wibbs wrote: »
    There's truth in that N, however the buying public are just as much to blame for this. It goes both ways and if there wasn't a market for "designer" dogs breeders wouldn't be breeding them.

    The poor old German shepherd is pretty screwed as a breed. Look at the earliest photos of the type and then look at that crufts abomination. You don't have to go to the UK either, check out the local breeders and clubs. Mutants all over the place. Even the "healthy" ones often have bad hips and that's going by accepted hip scores that would raise concern in wild dog populations. In over a century of research not a single wolf has been found with hip dysplasia, never mind a host of other inbreeding complaints in dogs(and wolves actually have quite narrow genetic diversity within geographical areas).

    Look at early photos and paintings of other well known breeds. The various bulldogs look like a different animal even a century ago. The stiff legged, barely able to breathe British bulldog of today is a crime against nature and often can't even give birth naturally as their heads are too big. The King Charles can suffer from lifetime migraines and their eyes can even pop out of their sockets as their skulls are too small. IMH any of those crushed faced dogs are abominations, but the public keep buying them.

    To follow on from this. There was an article before whereby a researcher compared breeds of dog from 1915, to their modern 2015 counterpart.

    Its not pretty.

    https://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Most of the well known breeds these days carry genetic faults and deformations.

    They have messed up the current day bulldog (British) so badly that they find it almost impossible to mate naturally, (artificially insemination is the usual method to breed now) and the bitches find it difficult to give birth naturally. This in turn has ramped up the prices of British bulldog pups to well over a couple of grand these days.


    Best bet is to get yourself a mongrel. You're (hopefully) going to avoid possible inbreeding and genetic problems, not to mention having to avoid unscrupulous breeders operating puppy farms etc.


    How many dingos do you have out the back Alf?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    gramar wrote: »
    How many dingos do you have out the back Alf?

    None these days mate, the few that used to hang about the veranda got introduced to me 10 bore after trying to eat the baby.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Nah that was a bloke with tits
    There's no such thing as chicks with dicks... only guys with tits! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Wibbs wrote: »
    There's truth in that N, however the buying public are just as much to blame for this. It goes both ways and if there wasn't a market for "designer" dogs breeders wouldn't be breeding them.

    The poor old German shepherd is pretty screwed as a breed. Look at the earliest photos of the type and then look at that crufts abomination. You don't have to go to the UK either, check out the local breeders and clubs. Mutants all over the place. Even the "healthy" ones often have bad hips and that's going by accepted hip scores that would raise concern in wild dog populations. In over a century of research not a single wolf has been found with hip dysplasia, never mind a host of other inbreeding complaints in dogs(and wolves actually have quite narrow genetic diversity within geographical areas).

    Look at early photos and paintings of other well known breeds. The various bulldogs look like a different animal even a century ago. The stiff legged, barely able to breathe British bulldog of today is a crime against nature and often can't even give birth naturally as their heads are too big. The King Charles can suffer from lifetime migraines and their eyes can even pop out of their sockets as their skulls are too small. IMH any of those crushed faced dogs are abominations, but the public keep buying them.

    While you are absolutely correct I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the kennel club. The KC asked this judge to judge the breed and despite all their guff about making these breeds better they obviously are not keeping an eye on the judging and the shows. If these crook-backed dogs were turned away from KC shows by KC officials the breeders wouldn't be long about breeding for healthy conformation. Sure, the breed clubs could tell them to shove it but that Crufts BoB is a prize with too much cachet to lose out on.

    Same with all the breeds, especially those in bad shape. The KC could demand hip, elbow, and eye scores for all dogs entering their shows. Dog doesn't have good enough scores? Dog doesn't compete.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    smash wrote: »
    There's no such thing as chicks with dicks... only guys with tits! :D

    I got moobs like jagger.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    kylith wrote: »
    While you are absolutely correct I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the kennel club. The KC asked this judge to judge the breed and despite all their guff about making these breeds better they obviously are not keeping an eye on the judging and the shows. If these crook-backed dogs were turned away from KC shows by KC officials the breeders wouldn't be long about breeding for healthy conformation. Sure, the breed clubs could tell them to shove it but that Crufts BoB is a prize with too much cachet to lose out on.

    Same with all the breeds, especially those in bad shape. The KC could demand hip, elbow, and eye scores for all dogs entering their shows. Dog doesn't have good enough scores? Dog doesn't compete.

    You would think that if designer dogs weren't considered in these shows then you'd hope that would discourage people from breeding them.

    It's also hard to understand why people would want to own often physically unappealing dogs and ones who are often riddled with illnesses.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    We're looking at getting a dog soon and will be getting a terrier. We were wondering why the recommended breeder we were told about wasn't KC registered. Turns out she is/was, but went on to rant about everything already mentioned above there. Definitely opened my eyes, I mean I already knew about the issues with Bulldogs, Pugs, Boxers et al. but I wasn't aware of the KC criteria for scores.

    Wasn't there also a concern last year of a handler, incorrectly lifting her dog to the stand?

    One of the finalists this year looked like the dog/footstool from Beauty & the Beast, bulging eyes, stiff legs and lopping tongue. Not a good advert.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    gramar wrote: »
    You would think that if designer dogs weren't considered in these shows then you'd hope that would discourage people from breeding them.

    It's also hard to understand why people would want to own often physically unappealing dogs and ones who are often riddled with illnesses.

    Designer dogs tend to be the madey-uppy breeds like cavachons and cockapoos so they're not considered in shows. They're bred by unscrupulous tosspots and sold to people with more money than sense who'll pay hundreds of euro for the kind of mongrel that'd have been given away for free 15 years ago just because someone's slapped a ridiculous name on it. These poor dogs are bred and kept in some of the most horrific conditions you'd ever come across.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    osarusan wrote: »
    Owner is full of concern for her dog:
    Fcuk her, as far as I'm concerned. She has little moral ground to be voicing "concerns" from.
    Best bet is to get yourself a mongrel. You're (hopefully) going to avoid possible inbreeding and genetic problems,
    These days the mutt can be worse because the breed history isn't known there can be all sorts of hidden problems.
    Knex. wrote: »
    To follow on from this. There was an article before whereby a researcher compared breeds of dog from 1915, to their modern 2015 counterpart.

    Its not pretty.
    It is not.
    kylith wrote: »
    Same with all the breeds, especially those in bad shape. The KC could demand hip, elbow, and eye scores for all dogs entering their shows. Dog doesn't have good enough scores? Dog doesn't compete.
    I agree K, but never going to happen, or not unless legally forced to. Take the German shepherd, I guarantee not one in that hall had normal hips/hip score of 0, but some vets will be only too happy to tick the box that says healthy. Don't get me started on some vets, or the dog "food" industry, or pet insurance ramping up costs or the near fetish in some for castrating dogs.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    armaghlad wrote: »
    My heart bleeds for her. What a moron
    Wibbs wrote: »
    Fcuk her, as far as I'm concerned. She has little moral ground to be voicing "concerns" from.

    It was sarcasm

    did you read the quote?
    Her only concern was that 'her bitch' failed to perform and ruined her owner's big day out.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    That's some messed up Mengele ****. Bad enough wanting an animal who's unwaveringly loyal and obedient no matter how you treat it but to deliberately breed it so it suffers for some insane aesthetic is beyond barbaric.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,447 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    osarusan wrote: »

    While I'm deeply uneasy about the idea of people being tried and judged on Twatter and its ilk, I have zero sympathy for her. As Wibbs said, there's a market for this tripe and the people who buy tickets are doing the most to fuel it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Hercule Poirot


    The reality is that I don't mind a good dog show, we have a local one every year and it's ordinary people bringing ordinary dogs to compete for prizes - there is nothing wrong with taking pride in a pet that you love and want to show off

    But this "show" is completely cruel and unnecessary...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    kneemos wrote: »
    A deformed German Shepherd won a best of award at Crufts,always thought they looked a bit odd in the rear but this guy was positively deformed looking.This is the ideal breeders are aiming for apparently.
    Pugs and bulldogs are other breeds I feel sorry for,can't breath or walk right poor devils. https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/pets/12195037/The-Kennel-Club-should-be-an-exemplar-when-it-comes-to-dog-health-but-it-is-far-from-winning-Best-in-Show.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjR676TtcTLAhXFbZoKHfwVANgQFgg_MAg&usg=AFQjCNED_0BW17AGUu11lBDUji8zDhx2iw

    In all honesty, if I saw a dog like that I would be thinking that somewhere along the line somebody didn't have the heart to have the animal put down (not that I'm saying they should).

    tl/dr = beatings all round. Except for the dog.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The idea of a "pure breed" is a nonsense that belongs back in the victorian era

    Of course, that would put a lot of people out of a substantial amount of coin


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