Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

sameoldname · 14-03-2016 11:52AM

I'd go along these lines:

If a PS department can't fill a vacancy: increase starting wages or improve conditions.
If a PS department can't hold on to staff: increase wages or improve conditions.
If a PS department is issuing too much overtime: keep wages the same and hire more staff.
If a PS department is expanding: keep wages the same and hire more staff.

That's pretty much how any sane private company would do it.

14-03-2016 12:25PM

sameoldname wrote: »

...

If a PS department can't fill a vacancy: increase starting wages or improve conditions.................

As people are queuing up to become members of AGS the wages are fine as is, clearly.

Squall Leonhart · 14-03-2016 12:52PM

I think people calling for members of AGS to start on 40K are a bit off..

Was listening to a discussion on radio the other day and the general gist was that for competitive purposes, salaries are too high in Ireland as it is, increasing salaries is not the way forward, but rather reducing the cost of living to align better with Europe. I don't really think it's going to happen or even how it could though.

TheHillOfDoom · 14-03-2016 12:54PM

Squall Leonhart wrote: »

I think people calling for members of AGS to start on 40K are a bit off..

Was listening to a discussion on radio the other day and the general gist was that for competitive purposes, salaries are too high in Ireland as it is, increasing salaries is not the way forward, but rather reducing the cost of living to align better with Europe. I don't really think it's going to happen or even how it could though.

What has competition got to do with AGS? Afraid some private company won't come over and invest in our gardai, because their wages are too high?
Competition doesn't apply to national services.

Squall Leonhart · 14-03-2016 12:57PM

I'm sorry, my comment was poorly constructed. I wasn't intending on linking the two things. My second line was a general commentary on salaries in Ireland.

Geuze · 14-03-2016 01:31PM

Squall Leonhart wrote: »

I think people calling for members of AGS to start on 40K are a bit off..

Was listening to a discussion on radio the other day and the general gist was that for competitive purposes, salaries are too high in Ireland as it is, increasing salaries is not the way forward, but rather reducing the cost of living to align better with Europe. I don't really think it's going to happen or even how it could though.

Wages are not too high in Ireland, see my previous posts in this thread.

But yes, the price level is still too high, even after years of little or no inflation.

tayto lover · 14-03-2016 08:00PM

Squall Leonhart wrote: »

I think people calling for members of AGS to start on 40K are a bit off..

Was listening to a discussion on radio the other day and the general gist was that for competitive purposes, salaries are too high in Ireland as it is, increasing salaries is not the way forward, but rather reducing the cost of living to align better with Europe. I don't really think it's going to happen or even how it could though.

I wish you luck with that with shopkeepers, IBEC, farmers etc all crying poverty i don't see prices dropping anytime soon.

40K is a fair starting point for nurses, guards and teachers in my opinion.
You need to attract good people for these jobs.

maryishere · 14-03-2016 10:01PM

tayto lover wrote: »

40K is a fair starting point for nurses, guards and teachers in my opinion.

There are plenty of people with third level qualifications working after years, never mind starting off at, for well less than 40k in the private sector; and they do not have the security, the ability to take sickies or the pension you get in the public sector.

rubadub · 14-03-2016 10:47PM

tayto lover wrote: »

[/B]
40K is a fair starting point for nurses, guards and teachers in my opinion.

I am guessing you must earn more than that, IMO its a huge amount for a teacher to start out on, people teaching in other situations would not start out on that, especially if they had the same benefits.

I was half joking earlier but I would genuinely like to hear how much you would think is a fair starting point for doing male "back, sack & crack" waxing, both for yourself and others.

14-03-2016 11:01PM

There has been a big number of applicants for the gardai, that when they got the call for templemore, didn't turn up.
They changed their mind because they couldn't manage on the wages.
There are gardai, and a bigger number of army now in receipt of family income support.
The national police force & defence forces are receiving social welfare because their wages are so bad.
That's a disgrace in my opinion.

rubadub · 14-03-2016 11:08PM

bubblypop wrote: »

There has been a big number of applicants for the gardai, that when they got the call for templemore, didn't turn up.
They changed their mind because they couldn't manage on the wages..

Have you a link to this poll/survey that you saw?

It could be skewed by the fact they were trying to show the dole office that they were actively seeking work.

But more than likely, far more than likely, you made the whole thing up... which would be a disgrace IMO

carzony · 14-03-2016 11:50PM

bubblypop wrote: »

There has been a big number of applicants for the gardai, that when they got the call for templemore, didn't turn up.
They changed their mind because they couldn't manage on the wages.
There are gardai, and a bigger number of army now in receipt of family income support.
The national police force & defence forces are receiving social welfare because their wages are so bad.
That's a disgrace in my opinion.

I think a better reflection on wages and conditions will be how many new recruits actually stay in these jobs. As said, Anyone can apply for a job and then not turn up. If things are really that difficult then people will just move on to other opportunities.

There is also a factor that if you want good people then you pay decent wages. I wonder what the standard of defence/garda recruits are now that the wage has been stripped.

15-03-2016 12:01AM

rubadub wrote: »

Have you a link to this poll/survey that you saw?

It could be skewed by the fact they were trying to show the dole office that they were actively seeking work.

But more than likely, far more than likely, you made the whole thing up... which would be a disgrace IMO

Excuse me? I did not make this up!
I got it first hand from people working in the Garda college.
The fact that gardai & army are on fis is well known.

rubadub · 15-03-2016 12:08AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Excuse me?.

No problem, you're excused, I presumed you would have nothing to back it up.

carzony wrote: »

I wonder what the standard of defence/garda recruits are now that the wage has been stripped.

What do you meant by "stripped"? has the wage decreased significantly compared to other jobs over the years?

15-03-2016 12:12AM

rubadub wrote: »

No problem, you're excused, I presumed you would have nothing to back it up.

I'm not sure what you want here, but I'm just giving the information I have been given by people who actually work in the college.
Because data protection, I'm fairly sure the dept of social protection don't give out details of who is in receipt of fis, but it's widely known gardai & army are getting it for the last couple of years.

rubadub · 15-03-2016 12:20AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure what you want here,

Simply for you to admit this line was pure "bloke in the pub" unbacked up utter fucking bullshit

"They changed their mind because they couldn't manage on the wages."

This was the bit I was quoting, not anything to do with welfare or FIS.

15-03-2016 10:48AM

rubadub wrote: »

Simply for you to admit this line was pure "bloke in the pub" unbacked up utter fucking bullshit

"They changed their mind because they couldn't manage on the wages."

This was the bit I was quoting, not anything to do with welfare or FIS.

No it's not unbacked. It's directly from people I know, working in the Garda college.
Don't know why you find it unbelievable!

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 12:06PM

bubblypop wrote: »

There has been a big number of applicants for the gardai, that when they got the call for templemore, didn't turn up.
They changed their mind because they couldn't manage on the wages.
There are gardai, and a bigger number of army now in receipt of family income support.
The national police force & defence forces are receiving social welfare because their wages are so bad.
That's a disgrace in my opinion.

That is indeed shocking.
The old saying "pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys" comes to mind. If i was a garda or soldier it would make me think twice about putting my life on the line.
That kind of pay leaves people open to corruption too.
I find it disgusting that the people we rely on in the front line are paid so little.

Martypants1 · 15-03-2016 12:11PM

"Guards risk their lives in their job".

Guard spends most of his time taking statements about petty theft and signing drivers licence photos.

I think in most places around the country the risk of getting hurt as a guard are pretty non existent.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 12:13PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

"Guards risk their lives in their job".

Guard spends most of his time taking statements about petty theft and signing drivers licence photos.

I think in most places around the country the risk of getting hurt as a guard are pretty non existent.

I'm from Dundalk so try telling that to the families of the two garda members murdered here in the last couple of years.

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Martypants1 · 15-03-2016 12:19PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm from Dundalk so try telling that to the families of the two garda members murdered here in the last couple of years.

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Most places.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 01:00PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Most places.

I think you need to catch up.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/fifth-of-gardai-injured-on-duty-in-previous-five-years-712469.html

TheHillOfDoom · 15-03-2016 01:04PM

It's not even just the danger element to the gardai. Can you imagine walking in on murdered corpses? Or trying to arrest some scumbag off his head? Paedophilia. Car accidents. Blood, gore, death, tragedy, crime. All that's bad in our society.

I often get this bizarre desire to follow a speeding squad car to see where they're going. Curiosity and all that. In reality, I'd probably prefer not to know.

Martypants1 · 15-03-2016 01:16PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I think you need to catch up.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/fifth-of-gardai-injured-on-duty-in-previous-five-years-712469.html

I injured my back when I lifted a heavy box at work.

TheHillOfDoom · 15-03-2016 01:18PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

I injured my back when I lifted a heavy box at work.

Did you not bend your knees when lifting?

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 01:19PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

I injured my back when I lifted a heavy box at work.

Your own fault then.
Now if i injured your back ...:pac:

Martypants1 · 15-03-2016 01:22PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Your own fault then.
Now if i injured your back ...:pac:

Unfortunately the "breakingnews" article is pretty much only a headline. No content in the article about it.

15-03-2016 01:22PM

carzony wrote: »

......... I wonder what the standard of defence/garda recruits are now that the wage has been stripped.

There has been small & plump Gardaí about long before the cuts.

15-03-2016 01:25PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

"Guards risk their lives in their job".

Guard spends most of his time taking statements about petty theft and signing drivers licence photos.

I think in most places around the country the risk of getting hurt as a guard are pretty non existent.

Farming is more dangerous than being a member of AGS.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 01:26PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Unfortunately the "breakingnews" article is pretty much only a headline. No content in the article about it.

There you go.
Google is your friend.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/one-in-5-gardai-injured-in-line-of-duty-372563.html

Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

Comments