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Do you believe in Ghosts, paranormal etc...
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Why do ghosts always wear clothes? no one ever saw a naked ghost as far as I know, and years ago it was ghosts and spirits and today we are more advanced and so now our ghosts are Aliens who really really want to give you an anal probe,
Reminds me of something Karl Pilkington once said
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If you want a logical explanation there's always one available.
Great. So why do you think people ignore them and jump on the illogical and unsubstantiated ones instead then?However there is no more evidence the brain does this than there is for ghosts.
That is simply not true. We can manipulate the brain using drugs or other methods and we get all the same experiences that people report in things like NDE.
So yes there is AMPLE evidence the brain under different kinds of duress produces these experiences. There is NO evidence of any type on offer there is ghosts.
So your statement here is simply false. On every level.The similarities between them is the part I'd find interesting.
It is an it isn't. While we are all individuals and appear to be quite unique and so forth.... the reality is there is very little difference between us at the level of the brain. So people undergoing similar kinds of distress or duress, are going to report similar experiences from that. If the experiences were vastly different THAT would be interesting. Quite the opposite of what you suggest.
That said however, we also have to realize that people parse and normalize unfamiliar experiences through their own narrative and culture and experience.
That is going to mould reporting of such experiences into similar results too. If we parse such experiences from people with highly similar cultural backgrounds..... you will get many similarities between them. Much the same way how most people in the west who report Alien sightings or abductions, all report seeing Spielberg type humanoids popularized by Hollywood.
So yes the similarities ARE interesting and telling, but speak more to the human origin of the fantasy rather than the otherworldly nature of the phenomenon.Here's some accounts from well educated individuals.
Are they? I clicked on the link and the first words my eyes randomly fell upon was "This one is from a friend– she swears it’s true.". Funny how so many of these "accounts" tend to be second hand or worse.
Secondly what is with the red herring of "educated individuals"? Is that meant to lend it more credence or something? As if educated people can not be wrong, midled, lying or simply deluded?
And how exactly did you establish their educational credentials? The first story in your link was posted by "Posted by Hysterymystery; Reddit". You have no idea who these people are, what their education is, or what their credentials might be.
Even then the person writing that article was not testifying to the supernatural. The person THEMSELVES said it was "a conincidence".
So it is really unclear what you think your link is for here.
It does make me remember with a smile though the story of the cat in the hospital for older people who people thought could predict deaths. Any time the cat cuddled up with someone they were the next to die.
In the end it turned out to be nothing more than the fact the cat liked to sleep in warm places, and people developing a fever were warmer than most. So the cat gravitated towards them.Plenty of evidence,depends if you believe it or not.
Oh good. Perhaps you can offer some then. So far you have not. And I am always terribly suspicious of the kind of person who says over and over there is plenty of evidence, but never gets around to saying what any of it actually is. Especially........Given the supposed nature of the thing the only evidence you're going to get are peoples stories of sightings.
.... when they then follow up their claim of plenty of evidence with a pre-emptive cop out excuse of why they can not offer any.I posted a link earlier of sightings by medical staff,presumably intelligent,level headed and not given to drama.
No you provided a link to anonymous opinion pieces that could have been written by anyone. That said however if you think the likes of nurses are calm and level headed and not prone to drama.... I can only say you have certainly met different nurses than I have
You can call them crazy or keep an open mind ,the choice is yours.
These two things are not mutually exclusive. Also I am not convinced you are entirely clear on what "Open minded" means or entails.Didn't say there was or wasn't evidence.Plenty of evidence,depends if you believe it or not.
Not sure how clever it is to claim you never said something that not only you did say, but is STILL THERE for anyone to read or quote back on. What it will not do is help your credibility on the forum however.How would you have real evidence of a ghost?
Ask someone who claims they exist. It is not for us to say what the evidence can, should, or would be. It is for people making a claim to put forward what their evidence is or would be.What's real evidence?
Evidence is not a thing, it is a process. And it is a VERY simply process. Only three steps.
1) State clearly what your claim actually is.
2) State clearly what things you think support the claim in 1).
3) Explain clearly how the things listed in 2) support the claim made in 1)
See how simple that is?Ghosts seem to appear to individuals rather than groups.
Funny that. So do UFOs and alien abductions and all sorts of things. In fact it seems as a general trend the LESS substantiated a claim is..... the smaller the groups of people who witness them.
You realize that at best your post is not evidence for anything you are saying and at worst it is evidence AGAINST it?It could be real or imagined of course.
And the evidence these things are real = 0 at this time.
The evidence that it is in their heads > 0.
So the scales not really tipping your way I am afraid.0 -
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nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »Great. So why do you think people ignore them and jump on the illogical and unsubstantiated ones instead then?
That is simply not true. We can manipulate the brain using drugs or other methods and we get all the same experiences that people report in things like NDE.
So yes there is AMPLE evidence the brain under different kinds of duress produces these experiences. There is NO evidence of any type on offer there is ghosts.
So your statement here is simply false. On every level.
It is an it isn't. While we are all individuals and appear to be quite unique and so forth.... the reality is there is very little difference between us at the level of the brain. So people undergoing similar kinds of distress or duress, are going to report similar experiences from that. If the experiences were vastly different THAT would be interesting. Quite the opposite of what you suggest.
That said however, we also have to realize that people parse and normalize unfamiliar experiences through their own narrative and culture and experience.
That is going to mould reporting of such experiences into similar results too. If we parse such experiences from people with highly similar cultural backgrounds..... you will get many similarities between them. Much the same way how most people in the west who report Alien sightings or abductions, all report seeing Spielberg type humanoids popularized by Hollywood.
So yes the similarities ARE interesting and telling, but speak more to the human origin of the fantasy rather than the otherworldly nature of the phenomenon.
Are they? I clicked on the link and the first words my eyes randomly fell upon was "This one is from a friend– she swears it’s true.". Funny how so many of these "accounts" tend to be second hand or worse.
Secondly what is with the red herring of "educated individuals"? Is that meant to lend it more credence or something? As if educated people can not be wrong, midled, lying or simply deluded?
And how exactly did you establish their educational credentials? The first story in your link was posted by "Posted by Hysterymystery; Reddit". You have no idea who these people are, what their education is, or what their credentials might be.
Even then the person writing that article was not testifying to the supernatural. The person THEMSELVES said it was "a conincidence".
So it is really unclear what you think your link is for here.
It does make me remember with a smile though the story of the cat in the hospital for older people who people thought could predict deaths. Any time the cat cuddled up with someone they were the next to die.
In the end it turned out to be nothing more than the fact the cat liked to sleep in warm places, and people developing a fever were warmer than most. So the cat gravitated towards them.
Oh good. Perhaps you can offer some then. So far you have not. And I am always terribly suspicious of the kind of person who says over and over there is plenty of evidence, but never gets around to saying what any of it actually is. Especially........
.... when they then follow up their claim of plenty of evidence with a pre-emptive cop out excuse of why they can not offer any.
No you provided a link to anonymous opinion pieces that could have been written by anyone. That said however if you think the likes of nurses are calm and level headed and not prone to drama.... I can only say you have certainly met different nurses than I have
These two things are not mutually exclusive. Also I am not convinced you are entirely clear on what "Open minded" means or entails.
Not sure how clever it is to claim you never said something that not only you did say, but is STILL THERE for anyone to read or quote back on. What it will not do is help your credibility on the forum however.
Ask someone who claims they exist. It is not for us to say what the evidence can, should, or would be. It is for people making a claim to put forward what their evidence is or would be.
Evidence is not a thing, it is a process. And it is a VERY simply process. Only three steps.
1) State clearly what your claim actually is.
2) State clearly what things you think support the claim in 1).
3) Explain clearly how the things listed in 2) support the claim made in 1)
See how simple that is?
Funny that. So do UFOs and alien abductions and all sorts of things. In fact it seems as a general trend the LESS substantiated a claim is..... the smaller the groups of people who witness them.
You realize that at best your post is not evidence for anything you are saying and at worst it is evidence AGAINST it?
And the evidence these things are real = 0 at this time.
The evidence that it is in their heads > 0.
So the scales not really tipping your way I am afraid.
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