How do we sleep at night? [distressing content]

Richard Hillman · 11-03-2016 11:53PM

When we try and change something, we get called War-Mongers or imperialists.

When we do nothing, it is our fault, we are turning a blind eye.

brevity · 12-03-2016 12:00AM

I've tried to "keep up" with what's going on in the world so as not to be ignorant of things but i'm giving serious thought to having a bit of a blackout of world news. I'm not able for **** like this.

jimgoose · 12-03-2016 12:33AM

I sleep with a belly full of beef taken at sword-point from the commoners, in unimaginable luxury, on bedding made from the incomparably soft ground-up bones of poor orphan girls from Eritrea. Diplometc immuniteeehh, bee-yotches.

SVJKarate · 12-03-2016 12:41AM

DareGod wrote: »

What the **** is the point of anything any of us does - ever - when things like this are going on all day every day, somewhere in the world?

I understand how you feel. In our own way though, we can contribute to ensuring that our society does not degrade into this chaos, nor anything remotely like it. We can show solidarity with our fellow humans, not just the ones who are known to us from birth, not just the ones who share our skin colour and our beliefs, not just the ones we consider "the same" as us.

We do it in different ways - through raising our children well, open to new ideas and respectful of other cultures, through contributing to our society by using our skills for the benefit of more than those who can pay us for our efforts.

Most of us can never reach the position where we can change the whole world, we can only make small changes to our part of the world. But every small change makes a difference. If you have honestly expended that effort, you deserve to find peaceful sleep so that you can continue your efforts.

Ronald Wilson Reagan · 12-03-2016 01:26AM

Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace—
Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.
-Kipling

Dick phelan · 12-03-2016 02:19AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

When we try and change something, we get called War-Mongers or imperialists.

When we do nothing, it is our fault, we are turning a blind eye.

Exactly, why is it always up to the West to do something, even when we do intervene we people complain, i found it ironic the number of people calling for America to send troops into Syria, if they did everyone would say there's America again sticking it's nose into other countries. What happens in South Sudan is horrible but what can me or you or anyone else do about it? Unless i can actually do something i tend to not think on these things horrible as they are.

bodice ripper · 12-03-2016 03:07AM

I actually don't sleep at night due to things like that. It doesn't help.

sparksfly · 12-03-2016 10:15AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

When we try and change something, we get called War-Mongers or imperialists.

When we do nothing, it is our fault, we are turning a blind eye.

That's because "trying to change something" is rarely for someone else's benefit.

bnt · 12-03-2016 10:40AM

Why do you think young men are joining ISIS? It's not just that they're organised and actually pay their soldiers: the promise of "free sex" is also waved as an inducement. "Free" meaning free to them, not to their victims.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 12-03-2016 11:18AM

On top of a big pile of money with many beautiful ladies.

Richard Hillman · 12-03-2016 12:24PM

bnt wrote: »

Why do you think young men are joining ISIS? It's not just that they're organised and actually pay their soldiers: the promise of "free sex" is also waved as an inducement. "Free" meaning free to them, not to their victims.

This is true and this a major problem from extremely conservative cultures. I would wager any amount of money that over 90% of the men joining ISIS are virgins or at least have never had consentual sex.

I remember seeing a news report talking to ISIS fighters. It was like talking to a group of 14 year old boys in the height of puberty. These guys have never even held the hand of girl, let alone feel Big Suze's boobies at the back of the bike shed.

ceecee14 · 12-03-2016 12:33PM

What exactly do you want us to do OP? Staying awake all night worrying about it isn't going to stop it.

You want us to book flights to Sudan an sort it out?

CruelCoin · 12-03-2016 01:30PM

Stigura wrote: »

Looks across and smiles at his brand new futon ..........

I put a superking into my bedroom in my new house.

You haven't lived dude!

OP, with a bed like that, i can sleep through anything.

CruelCoin · 12-03-2016 01:32PM

paleoperson wrote: »

I don't care. There are plenty of factual things you can say that are offensive and uncalled for in the wrong context. You could say the same to a dying person, how good they have it compared to someone else. It's so arrogant... and what or who does it help? It doesn't help anyone or anything.

It's also factually wrong, to say that people in Ireland today are in any way "privileged". Humans are NOT "privileged" until everyone has their full human rights fulfilled at least, and it's offensive to say they are.

It's a common tactic used to justify people living in a bad way. "look at those guys, how bad they have it".

Pray tell, what human rights of yours are not being met, that you are not privileged?

CruelCoin · 12-03-2016 01:35PM

myshirt wrote: »

especially that person who posted that they take money from the Trocaire box. Wtf man?

No such thing was said.

He said he no longer gives to the box.

paleoperson · 12-03-2016 06:22PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Pray tell, what human rights of yours are not being met, that you are not privileged?

First of all, don't ask a question in such a loaded and obnoxious way. Don't mind your "pray tell".

Secondly, I already explained. If you can't even be bothered to read my posts then there's no point in expanding or detailing any more. Frankly, I'd rather just leave it at this stage, I already wrote posts describing how I am not privileged. I've been more than patient trying to describe it, you sound straightaway like you're entering into this with the idea of being condescending and smug.

For example just because you are apparently happy with a small risk of cancer doesn't mean everyone is or should be.

Don't ever tell me I am privileged. It doesn't matter what you compare it to. Everyone has their own battles. It's so condescending, arrogant and presumptuous.

CruelCoin · 12-03-2016 06:51PM

paleoperson wrote: »

First of all, don't ask a question in such a loaded and obnoxious way. Don't mind your "pray tell".

Secondly, I already explained. If you can't even be bothered to read my posts then there's no point in expanding or detailing any more. Frankly, I'd rather just leave it at this stage, I already wrote posts describing how I am not privileged. I've been more than patient trying to describe it, you sound straightaway like you're entering into this with the idea of being condescending and smug.

For example just because you are apparently happy with a small risk of cancer doesn't mean everyone is or should be.

Don't ever tell me I am privileged. It doesn't matter what you compare it to. Everyone has their own battles. It's so condescending, arrogant and presumptuous.

You're moving the goalposts.

It was you, not anyone else who linked people in Ireland, their lack of privilege and human rights.

"It's also factually wrong, to say that people in Ireland today are in any way "privileged". Humans are NOT "privileged" until everyone has their full human rights fulfilled at least, and it's offensive to say they are."

You've made posts (but only mentioned chemicals in the air to create profit (pffft bwahahaha) and water), yes, but i asked you to qualify this single statement, which you've not done.

What human rights in ireland are not being satisfied?

The right to water is clear. But does that mean it must be sparkling to your front door? Or is it the ready availability of it through tanker/shops/whatever enough to satisfy this "right" condition?

Can i add, that you're taking everything waaaay out of context. The thread is about suffering abroad, NOT in Ireland.
Then it was raised that "god, aren't we lucky and privileged compared to those poor buggers?"
And we absolutely are. You may not be privileged by Irish standards, but there are 6.5 billion people in the world who would love to be in your shoes. And that is the thrust of the thread which you singularly missed.

You're complaining about water not being perfectly clean and therefore being underprivileged, yet people elsewhere in the world are being hacked to death with machete's because they believe in a different god. Are you for real? Talk about first world problems.

paleoperson · 12-03-2016 07:02PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

You're moving the goalposts.

It was you, not anyone else who linked people in Ireland, their lack of privilege and human rights.

"It's also factually wrong, to say that people in Ireland today are in any way "privileged". Humans are NOT "privileged" until everyone has their full human rights fulfilled at least, and it's offensive to say they are."

You've made posts (but only mentioned chemicals in the air to create profit (pffft bwahahaha) and water), yes, but i asked you to qualify this single statement, which you've not done.

What human rights in ireland are not being satisfied?

The right to water is clear. But does that mean it must be sparkling to your front door? Or is it the ready availability of it through tanker/shops/whatever enough to satisfy this "right" condition?

It should at least appear biologically equivalent to what humans would be able to obtain naturally in the wild.

Hence carcinogens, heavy metals, contaminations, treating agents and other poisons are in my opinion partially stepping on the human rights of people in Ireland.

Elemonator · 12-03-2016 07:34PM

Despicable country.

Cork Lass · 12-03-2016 07:43PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Can you please not use that word, I genuinely find it offensive.

Don't you ever call me privileged.

It never ceases to amaze me at how easily people are offended

stoplooklisten · 12-03-2016 07:45PM

We could invite them all to stay here

CruelCoin · 12-03-2016 07:45PM

Cork Lass wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me at how easily people are offended

Muh triggers

Calina · 12-03-2016 07:56PM

paleoperson wrote: »

First of all, don't ask a question in such a loaded and obnoxious way. Don't mind your "pray tell".

Secondly, I already explained. If you can't even be bothered to read my posts then there's no point in expanding or detailing any more. Frankly, I'd rather just leave it at this stage, I already wrote posts describing how I am not privileged. I've been more than patient trying to describe it, you sound straightaway like you're entering into this with the idea of being condescending and smug.

For example just because you are apparently happy with a small risk of cancer doesn't mean everyone is or should be.

Don't ever tell me I am privileged. It doesn't matter what you compare it to. Everyone has their own battles. It's so condescending, arrogant and presumptuous.

So, sixty males were suffocated in a container in South Sudan, and women and children were routinely raped as payment by government militia and you, who don't have to deal with this sort of day to day business think you're not privileged by living in a relatively safe country.

Seriously, what you need to do is recognise how good you have it, not how bad you have it. There is plenty of stuff in water naturally which will kill you. You would be far worse off drinking water as it is in nature than you are drinking treated water in Ireland in many, many parts of the world.

The number of people in Ireland who could possibly be described as underprivileged compared to the victims described in the UN report which is the subject of this thread is extremely low. I really don't care if you think you're not privileged, because at the end of the day, the only way you can claim not to be privileged compared to children being burned alive is complete self absorption. I find it utterly offensive that someone would be claim to be offended by the suggestion that they are privileged next to six year olds being the spoils of war for soldiers.

paleoperson · 12-03-2016 08:01PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Muh triggers

If it were me, I would ban you from the whole site for a month for this stupid, senseless, troll post.

I'm telling you this is nonsense. This whole thread's premise is garbage. It's a contradiction in terms, because why the hell isn't the OP going to Africa and doing something about it.

It's a fake, a Marie Antoinette type of playacting. Either do something, or stfu. Don't talk to us about how do we sleep. I sometimes have trouble sleeping. It's a very invasive thing to talk to someone like this.

If anyone's getting "triggered" here, it's some of you guys, by the word "offended". You seem primed and autocued to respond to the word with a sarcastic remark about how people are overly offended. Offended is a perfectly valid and legitimate word.

I've been making fun of SJWs since back 10 years ago when it was "cool" to be politically correct or to attend to all sensitivities. I was giving out about tumblr people probably since before most of you even heard about it. So you're way off there.

I am never offended at common remarks normal people get offended by. Things roll off me. Plenty of things normal people would be offended by.

However, there are a few thing I AM offended by, and calling me "privileged", in ANY context is offensive, IMO.

Now it's OKAY that you don't agree with it, that's fine. Just stop trying to make out as if my opinion isn't as valid as yours is.

Cork Lass · 12-03-2016 08:28PM

paleoperson wrote: »

If it were me, I would ban you from the whole site for a month for this stupid, senseless, troll post.

I'm telling you this is nonsense. This whole thread's premise is garbage. It's a contradiction in terms, because why the hell isn't the OP going to Africa and doing something about it.

It's a fake, a Marie Antoinette type of playacting. Either do something, or stfu. Don't talk to us about how do we sleep. I sometimes have trouble sleeping. It's a very invasive thing to talk to someone like this.

If anyone's getting "triggered" here, it's some of you guys, by the word "offended". You seem primed and autocued to respond to the word with a sarcastic remark about how people are overly offended. Offended is a perfectly valid and legitimate word.

I've been making fun of SJWs since back 10 years ago when it was "cool" to be politically correct or to attend to all sensitivities. I was giving out about tumblr people probably since before most of you even heard about it. So you're way off there.

I am never offended at common remarks normal people get offended by. Things roll off me. Plenty of things normal people would be offended by.

However, there are a few thing I AM offended by, and calling me "privileged", in ANY context is offensive, IMO.

Now it's OKAY that you don't agree with it, that's fine. Just stop trying to make out as if my opinion isn't as valid as yours is.

Seriously, you're getting quite antsy about this. My advice at this point would be to make a nice cup of herbal tea and relax a bit. It's only Boards after all

Ice Maiden · 12-03-2016 08:46PM

Calina wrote: »

So, sixty males were suffocated in a container in South Sudan, and women and children were routinely raped as payment by government militia and you, who don't have to deal with this sort of day to day business think you're not privileged by living in a relatively safe country.

Seriously, what you need to do is recognise how good you have it, not how bad you have it. There is plenty of stuff in water naturally which will kill you. You would be far worse off drinking water as it is in nature than you are drinking treated water in Ireland in many, many parts of the world.

The number of people in Ireland who could possibly be described as underprivileged compared to the victims described in the UN report which is the subject of this thread is extremely low. I really don't care if you think you're not privileged, because at the end of the day, the only way you can claim not to be privileged compared to children being burned alive is complete self absorption. I find it utterly offensive that someone would be claim to be offended by the suggestion that they are privileged next to six year olds being the spoils of war for soldiers.

Well said.

CruelCoin · 12-03-2016 09:59PM

paleoperson wrote: »

If it were me, I would ban you from the whole site for a month for this stupid, senseless, troll post.

It's a nonsense word "triggers". Typically overused by people with no sense of real insult / trauma.

It's bollox and deserves to be made fun of.

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-03-2016 10:19PM

When you are younger you let all this in

When you get to a certain age you read and watch but you don't let it in

look after your nearest and dearest forget about Sudan

Ice Maiden · 12-03-2016 10:25PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

When you are younger you let all this in

When you get to a certain age you read and watch but you don't let it in

look after your nearest and dearest forget about Sudan

Speak for yourself. People can be concerned about both. Maintaining people here should feel bad because of what goes on in Sudan is out of line though. No harm in it making us appreciate how much better we have it however.

How do we sleep at night? [distressing content]

Comments