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How do we sleep at night? [distressing content]

DareGod

I opened this news item and I felt like I was about to puke before I even reached the end of the first sentence.

S Sudan Pays Forces By Letting Them Rape: UN

In one incident troops argued over whether to rape a six-year-old and then shot her, says a UN report.

Pro-government forces in South Sudan are being allowed to rape women and children as a form of payment, according to a UN report.

In one incident soldiers argued over whether to rape a six-year-old girl and then shot her.

The UN human rights office said its report contained "harrowing accounts" of civilians suspected of supporting the opposition - including children and the disabled - being burned alive, suffocated in shipping containers, hanged from trees and cut to pieces.

It said the crimes uncovered showed the war-torn country was facing "one of the most horrendous human rights situations in the world".

A UN assessment team, which compiled Friday's report, was deployed to the country in 2015 and recorded more than 1,300 reports of rapes in South Sudan's Unity State alone.

UN human rights chief Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein said the number "must only be a snapshot of the real total".

"The assessment team received information that the armed militias... who carry out attacks together with the SPLA (South Sudanese army) commit violations under an agreement of 'do what you can and take what you can,'" the report said.

"Most of the youth therefore also raided cattle, stole personal property, raped and abducted women and girls as a form of payment."

The report also cited cases of parents being forced to watch their children being raped, and warned even women and youngsters inside UN protected camps were at risk.

Last month, at least 18 people were killed in attacks at a UN base sheltering civilians in the northeastern town of Malakal.

The violence forced around 600 people - mostly women and children - to gather inside a Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) hospital.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has condemned the fighting and expressed concerns about the rise of ethnic violence in the conflict, which began in December 2013.

http://news.sky.com/story/1658033/s-sudan-pays-forces-by-letting-them-rape-un

I didn't need to read this article to know that this pure evil occurs, but it brought it back to my attention. Like the rest of us, I'm constantly distracted by myself, my own life, and whatever's going on around me or in the media.

With the rape of babies, toddlers, children and others going on around the world, how do the rest of us sleep at night? With the torture and mutilation of those kids going on, how do we sleep? With the same thing happening to adults and the vulnerable, how do we sleep?

I can't get my head around it. What the **** is the point of anything any of us does - ever - when things like this are going on all day every day, somewhere in the world?

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Richard Hillman

When we try and change something, we get called War-Mongers or imperialists.

When we do nothing, it is our fault, we are turning a blind eye.

brevity

I've tried to "keep up" with what's going on in the world so as not to be ignorant of things but i'm giving serious thought to having a bit of a blackout of world news. I'm not able for **** like this.

jimgoose

I sleep with a belly full of beef taken at sword-point from the commoners, in unimaginable luxury, on bedding made from the incomparably soft ground-up bones of poor orphan girls from Eritrea. Diplometc immuniteeehh, bee-yotches.

SVJKarate

DareGod wrote: »

What the **** is the point of anything any of us does - ever - when things like this are going on all day every day, somewhere in the world?

I understand how you feel. In our own way though, we can contribute to ensuring that our society does not degrade into this chaos, nor anything remotely like it. We can show solidarity with our fellow humans, not just the ones who are known to us from birth, not just the ones who share our skin colour and our beliefs, not just the ones we consider "the same" as us.

We do it in different ways - through raising our children well, open to new ideas and respectful of other cultures, through contributing to our society by using our skills for the benefit of more than those who can pay us for our efforts.

Most of us can never reach the position where we can change the whole world, we can only make small changes to our part of the world. But every small change makes a difference. If you have honestly expended that effort, you deserve to find peaceful sleep so that you can continue your efforts.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace—
Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.
-Kipling

Dick phelan

Richard Hillman wrote: »

When we try and change something, we get called War-Mongers or imperialists.

When we do nothing, it is our fault, we are turning a blind eye.

Exactly, why is it always up to the West to do something, even when we do intervene we people complain, i found it ironic the number of people calling for America to send troops into Syria, if they did everyone would say there's America again sticking it's nose into other countries. What happens in South Sudan is horrible but what can me or you or anyone else do about it? Unless i can actually do something i tend to not think on these things horrible as they are.

bodice ripper

I actually don't sleep at night due to things like that. It doesn't help.

sparksfly

Richard Hillman wrote: »

When we try and change something, we get called War-Mongers or imperialists.

When we do nothing, it is our fault, we are turning a blind eye.

That's because "trying to change something" is rarely for someone else's benefit.

bnt

Why do you think young men are joining ISIS? It's not just that they're organised and actually pay their soldiers: the promise of "free sex" is also waved as an inducement. "Free" meaning free to them, not to their victims.

Dirty Dingus McGee

On top of a big pile of money with many beautiful ladies.

Richard Hillman

bnt wrote: »

Why do you think young men are joining ISIS? It's not just that they're organised and actually pay their soldiers: the promise of "free sex" is also waved as an inducement. "Free" meaning free to them, not to their victims.

This is true and this a major problem from extremely conservative cultures. I would wager any amount of money that over 90% of the men joining ISIS are virgins or at least have never had consentual sex.

I remember seeing a news report talking to ISIS fighters. It was like talking to a group of 14 year old boys in the height of puberty. These guys have never even held the hand of girl, let alone feel Big Suze's boobies at the back of the bike shed.

ceecee14

What exactly do you want us to do OP? Staying awake all night worrying about it isn't going to stop it.

You want us to book flights to Sudan an sort it out?

CruelCoin

Stigura wrote: »

Looks across and smiles at his brand new futon ..........

I put a superking into my bedroom in my new house.

You haven't lived dude!

OP, with a bed like that, i can sleep through anything.

CruelCoin

paleoperson wrote: »

I don't care. There are plenty of factual things you can say that are offensive and uncalled for in the wrong context. You could say the same to a dying person, how good they have it compared to someone else. It's so arrogant... and what or who does it help? It doesn't help anyone or anything.

It's also factually wrong, to say that people in Ireland today are in any way "privileged". Humans are NOT "privileged" until everyone has their full human rights fulfilled at least, and it's offensive to say they are.

It's a common tactic used to justify people living in a bad way. "look at those guys, how bad they have it".

Pray tell, what human rights of yours are not being met, that you are not privileged?

CruelCoin

myshirt wrote: »

especially that person who posted that they take money from the Trocaire box. Wtf man?

No such thing was said.

He said he no longer gives to the box.

paleoperson

CruelCoin wrote: »

Pray tell, what human rights of yours are not being met, that you are not privileged?

First of all, don't ask a question in such a loaded and obnoxious way. Don't mind your "pray tell".

Secondly, I already explained. If you can't even be bothered to read my posts then there's no point in expanding or detailing any more. Frankly, I'd rather just leave it at this stage, I already wrote posts describing how I am not privileged. I've been more than patient trying to describe it, you sound straightaway like you're entering into this with the idea of being condescending and smug.

For example just because you are apparently happy with a small risk of cancer doesn't mean everyone is or should be.

Don't ever tell me I am privileged. It doesn't matter what you compare it to. Everyone has their own battles. It's so condescending, arrogant and presumptuous.

CruelCoin

paleoperson wrote: »

First of all, don't ask a question in such a loaded and obnoxious way. Don't mind your "pray tell".

Secondly, I already explained. If you can't even be bothered to read my posts then there's no point in expanding or detailing any more. Frankly, I'd rather just leave it at this stage, I already wrote posts describing how I am not privileged. I've been more than patient trying to describe it, you sound straightaway like you're entering into this with the idea of being condescending and smug.

For example just because you are apparently happy with a small risk of cancer doesn't mean everyone is or should be.

Don't ever tell me I am privileged. It doesn't matter what you compare it to. Everyone has their own battles. It's so condescending, arrogant and presumptuous.

You're moving the goalposts.

It was you, not anyone else who linked people in Ireland, their lack of privilege and human rights.

"It's also factually wrong, to say that people in Ireland today are in any way "privileged". Humans are NOT "privileged" until everyone has their full human rights fulfilled at least, and it's offensive to say they are."

You've made posts (but only mentioned chemicals in the air to create profit (pffft bwahahaha) and water), yes, but i asked you to qualify this single statement, which you've not done.

What human rights in ireland are not being satisfied?

The right to water is clear. But does that mean it must be sparkling to your front door? Or is it the ready availability of it through tanker/shops/whatever enough to satisfy this "right" condition?

Can i add, that you're taking everything waaaay out of context. The thread is about suffering abroad, NOT in Ireland.
Then it was raised that "god, aren't we lucky and privileged compared to those poor buggers?"
And we absolutely are. You may not be privileged by Irish standards, but there are 6.5 billion people in the world who would love to be in your shoes. And that is the thrust of the thread which you singularly missed.

You're complaining about water not being perfectly clean and therefore being underprivileged, yet people elsewhere in the world are being hacked to death with machete's because they believe in a different god. Are you for real? Talk about first world problems.

paleoperson

CruelCoin wrote: »

You're moving the goalposts.

It was you, not anyone else who linked people in Ireland, their lack of privilege and human rights.

"It's also factually wrong, to say that people in Ireland today are in any way "privileged". Humans are NOT "privileged" until everyone has their full human rights fulfilled at least, and it's offensive to say they are."

You've made posts (but only mentioned chemicals in the air to create profit (pffft bwahahaha) and water), yes, but i asked you to qualify this single statement, which you've not done.

What human rights in ireland are not being satisfied?

The right to water is clear. But does that mean it must be sparkling to your front door? Or is it the ready availability of it through tanker/shops/whatever enough to satisfy this "right" condition?

It should at least appear biologically equivalent to what humans would be able to obtain naturally in the wild.

Hence carcinogens, heavy metals, contaminations, treating agents and other poisons are in my opinion partially stepping on the human rights of people in Ireland.

Elemonator

Despicable country.

Cork Lass

paleoperson wrote: »

Can you please not use that word, I genuinely find it offensive.

Don't you ever call me privileged.

It never ceases to amaze me at how easily people are offended

stoplooklisten

We could invite them all to stay here

CruelCoin

Cork Lass wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me at how easily people are offended

Muh triggers

Calina

paleoperson wrote: »

First of all, don't ask a question in such a loaded and obnoxious way. Don't mind your "pray tell".

Secondly, I already explained. If you can't even be bothered to read my posts then there's no point in expanding or detailing any more. Frankly, I'd rather just leave it at this stage, I already wrote posts describing how I am not privileged. I've been more than patient trying to describe it, you sound straightaway like you're entering into this with the idea of being condescending and smug.

For example just because you are apparently happy with a small risk of cancer doesn't mean everyone is or should be.

Don't ever tell me I am privileged. It doesn't matter what you compare it to. Everyone has their own battles. It's so condescending, arrogant and presumptuous.

So, sixty males were suffocated in a container in South Sudan, and women and children were routinely raped as payment by government militia and you, who don't have to deal with this sort of day to day business think you're not privileged by living in a relatively safe country.

Seriously, what you need to do is recognise how good you have it, not how bad you have it. There is plenty of stuff in water naturally which will kill you. You would be far worse off drinking water as it is in nature than you are drinking treated water in Ireland in many, many parts of the world.

The number of people in Ireland who could possibly be described as underprivileged compared to the victims described in the UN report which is the subject of this thread is extremely low. I really don't care if you think you're not privileged, because at the end of the day, the only way you can claim not to be privileged compared to children being burned alive is complete self absorption. I find it utterly offensive that someone would be claim to be offended by the suggestion that they are privileged next to six year olds being the spoils of war for soldiers.

paleoperson

CruelCoin wrote: »

Muh triggers

If it were me, I would ban you from the whole site for a month for this stupid, senseless, troll post.

I'm telling you this is nonsense. This whole thread's premise is garbage. It's a contradiction in terms, because why the hell isn't the OP going to Africa and doing something about it.

It's a fake, a Marie Antoinette type of playacting. Either do something, or stfu. Don't talk to us about how do we sleep. I sometimes have trouble sleeping. It's a very invasive thing to talk to someone like this.

If anyone's getting "triggered" here, it's some of you guys, by the word "offended". You seem primed and autocued to respond to the word with a sarcastic remark about how people are overly offended. Offended is a perfectly valid and legitimate word.

I've been making fun of SJWs since back 10 years ago when it was "cool" to be politically correct or to attend to all sensitivities. I was giving out about tumblr people probably since before most of you even heard about it. So you're way off there.

I am never offended at common remarks normal people get offended by. Things roll off me. Plenty of things normal people would be offended by.

However, there are a few thing I AM offended by, and calling me "privileged", in ANY context is offensive, IMO.

Now it's OKAY that you don't agree with it, that's fine. Just stop trying to make out as if my opinion isn't as valid as yours is.

Cork Lass

paleoperson wrote: »

If it were me, I would ban you from the whole site for a month for this stupid, senseless, troll post.

I'm telling you this is nonsense. This whole thread's premise is garbage. It's a contradiction in terms, because why the hell isn't the OP going to Africa and doing something about it.

It's a fake, a Marie Antoinette type of playacting. Either do something, or stfu. Don't talk to us about how do we sleep. I sometimes have trouble sleeping. It's a very invasive thing to talk to someone like this.

If anyone's getting "triggered" here, it's some of you guys, by the word "offended". You seem primed and autocued to respond to the word with a sarcastic remark about how people are overly offended. Offended is a perfectly valid and legitimate word.

I've been making fun of SJWs since back 10 years ago when it was "cool" to be politically correct or to attend to all sensitivities. I was giving out about tumblr people probably since before most of you even heard about it. So you're way off there.

I am never offended at common remarks normal people get offended by. Things roll off me. Plenty of things normal people would be offended by.

However, there are a few thing I AM offended by, and calling me "privileged", in ANY context is offensive, IMO.

Now it's OKAY that you don't agree with it, that's fine. Just stop trying to make out as if my opinion isn't as valid as yours is.

Seriously, you're getting quite antsy about this. My advice at this point would be to make a nice cup of herbal tea and relax a bit. It's only Boards after all

Ice Maiden

Calina wrote: »

So, sixty males were suffocated in a container in South Sudan, and women and children were routinely raped as payment by government militia and you, who don't have to deal with this sort of day to day business think you're not privileged by living in a relatively safe country.

Seriously, what you need to do is recognise how good you have it, not how bad you have it. There is plenty of stuff in water naturally which will kill you. You would be far worse off drinking water as it is in nature than you are drinking treated water in Ireland in many, many parts of the world.

The number of people in Ireland who could possibly be described as underprivileged compared to the victims described in the UN report which is the subject of this thread is extremely low. I really don't care if you think you're not privileged, because at the end of the day, the only way you can claim not to be privileged compared to children being burned alive is complete self absorption. I find it utterly offensive that someone would be claim to be offended by the suggestion that they are privileged next to six year olds being the spoils of war for soldiers.

Well said.

CruelCoin

paleoperson wrote: »

If it were me, I would ban you from the whole site for a month for this stupid, senseless, troll post.

It's a nonsense word "triggers". Typically overused by people with no sense of real insult / trauma.

It's bollox and deserves to be made fun of.

SEPT 23 1989

When you are younger you let all this in

When you get to a certain age you read and watch but you don't let it in

look after your nearest and dearest forget about Sudan

Ice Maiden

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

When you are younger you let all this in

When you get to a certain age you read and watch but you don't let it in

look after your nearest and dearest forget about Sudan

Speak for yourself. People can be concerned about both. Maintaining people here should feel bad because of what goes on in Sudan is out of line though. No harm in it making us appreciate how much better we have it however.