UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

John_D80 · 09-03-2016 07:22PM

riffmongous wrote: »

I agree, it's the nature of the beast really, I think the rules should be changed to put limits on it but you can't blame the fighters as long as they are making weight. Although I do give extra respect for someone who doesn't cut very much, like Edgar, I thought he was like a hero when he was champ Him and Machida went down for extra opportunities rather than to gain a size advantage

http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/8/14/3241872/frankie-edgar-boxing-coach-bantamweight-featherweight-mma-news

Now you could say he didn't have much choice at fighting LW back in those days when there were no lower classes, but still he fought much bigger men and would still be there if he had gotten a bit more luck with the judges

Lately I think Ive been slightly blinded by the ''McGregor fog'' and forget what a ****ing hero Frankie really is.

PIMPHO · 09-03-2016 07:25PM

On same flight back as Conor's Mum and she said he's been on antibiotics for past 2 weeks for a chest infection. Explains why he gassed and looked for a quick KO. Said that he doesn't want to make excuses, he'll learn from this loss and he's raring to go again.

ASOT · 09-03-2016 07:29PM

PIMPHO wrote: »

On same flight back as Conor's Mum and she said he's been on antibiotics for past 2 weeks for a chest infection. Explains why he gassed and looked for a quick KO. Said that he doesn't want to make excuses, he'll learn from this loss and he's raring to go again.

Fairly sure it was posted a few times that he sounded like he had a cold at the presser etc so that would explain it if it was true, doubt he's ever going to say that, he took the loss on the chin.

jigglypuffstuff · 09-03-2016 07:31PM

Richard tea wrote: »

Ok its been a few days. Im still gutted. But things are looking up. After re watching moments of the fight I have Cornor as the better striker. He gassed. Thats it plain and simple. He beat himself. Im sure he will come back and dominate 145 division and most likely dominate 155 division also. I would like to see him at 170 again but not within the next 2 years and this time have a solid fight plan. I think If Nate was honest with himself he would admit that those punches hurt big time. Those slow mo gifs posted earlier are beautiful.

Thats laughable seriously

the stats as follows from Fightmetric

According to FightMetric, Diaz landed 77 of 152 significant strikes so not only was he more frequent a striker than McGregor (61 of 140) but he was also substantially more precise with his 50% accuracy rate trumping McGregor's 43%.

McGregor was never the better striker, the stats speak for themselves..not to mention he never actually rocked Nate...Whereas Nate buckled him...and Nate is a volume striker, not a power striker

And again, he had no camp...so no McGregor is far from a better striker than Diaz, Diaz's boxing trumps Mcgregors on his worst day (considering no camp and food poisoning, we've got first hand evidence of that)

And if he cant take Diaz, id argue (along with most people) he hasn't a hope of beating RDA...as RDA is a far more difficult fight

Sync wrote: »

Did Nates legs buckle at any stage tho? Genuinely curious, as I know Conors did when Nate caught him, which was the beginning of the end.

He never buckled Nate, those punches that connected were soaked up like a sponge, Nice punches yes, but did not have the intended effect

JustTheOne · 09-03-2016 07:38PM

PIMPHO wrote: »

On same flight back as Conor's Mum and she said he's been on antibiotics for past 2 weeks for a chest infection. Explains why he gassed and looked for a quick KO. Said that he doesn't want to make excuses, he'll learn from this loss and he's raring to go again.

Would explain a lot. And he did sound sick leading up to the fight.

Anyway he won't make the excuse especially after telling aldo and rda to take Ibuprofen and get on with it:)

newbbieb · 09-03-2016 07:43PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Thats laughable seriously

the stats as follows from Fightmetric

According to FightMetric, Diaz landed 77 of 152 significant strikes so not only was he more frequent a striker than McGregor (61 of 140) but he was also substantially more precise with his 50% accuracy rate trumping McGregor's 43%.

McGregor was never the better striker, the stats speak for themselves..not to mention he never actually rocked Nate...Whereas Nate buckled him...and Nate is a volume striker, not a power striker

And again, he had no camp...so no McGregor is far from a better striker than Diaz, Diaz's boxing trumps Mcgregors on his worst day (considering no camp and food poisoning, we've got first hand evidence of that)

And if he cant take Diaz, id argue (along with most people) he hasn't a hope of beating RDA...as RDA is a far more difficult fight

He never buckled Nate, those punches that connected were soaked up like a sponge, Nice punches yes, but did not have the intended effect

Why not just have fightmetric judge the fights too huh.Do away with the judges.Its ridiculous to base your whole judgement on fightmetric Jesus.

Again i wouldn't go as far as to say Conor was schooling Nate because Conor looked more sluggish than usual and it wasn't totally one sided but up until he gassed most neutrals can accept Conor was winning the fight comfortably,again i am not saying he is the better fighter or if he can ever beat Nate again but he was without doubt beating him on the feet,till he punched himself out.

nacho libre · 09-03-2016 07:44PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Thats laughable seriously

the stats as follows from Fightmetric

According to FightMetric, Diaz landed 77 of 152 significant strikes so not only was he more frequent a striker than McGregor (61 of 140) but he was also substantially more precise with his 50% accuracy rate trumping McGregor's 43%.

McGregor was never the better striker, the stats speak for themselves..not to mention he never actually rocked Nate...Whereas Nate buckled him...and Nate is a volume striker, not a power striker

And again, he had no camp...so no McGregor is far from a better striker than Diaz, Diaz's boxing trumps Mcgregors on his worst day (considering no camp and food poisoning, we've got first hand evidence of that)

And if he cant take Diaz, id argue (along with most people) he hasn't a hope of beating RDA...as RDA is a far more difficult fight

He never buckled Nate, those punches that connected were soaked up like a sponge, Nice punches yes, but did not have the intended effect

I predicted Diaz would win by submisson in round 2 for most of the above reasons you cite. However that said i feel if Conor truly learns from this fight, he will beat RDA

Zencop · 09-03-2016 07:50PM

Sync wrote: »

Did Nates legs buckle at any stage tho? Genuinely curious, as I know Conors did when Nate caught him, which was the beginning of the end.

He was being walked down by Conor, he was hurt.

jigglypuffstuff · 09-03-2016 07:51PM

newbbieb wrote: »

Why not just have fightmetric judge the fights too huh.Do away with the judges.Its ridiculous to base your whole judgement on fightmetric Jesus.

Again i wouldn't go as far as to say Conor was schooling Nate because Conor looked more sluggish than usual and it wasn't totally one sided but up until he gassed most neutrals can accept Conor was winning the fight comfortably,again i am not saying he is the better fighter or if he can ever beat Nate again but he was without doubt beating him on the feet,till he punched himself out.

Because we are discussing striking...and they are the FACTS regarding the striking in the fight...Love it or Hate it ..doesn't matter..but accept it because they wont change

Yeah he "controlled" the first round...he failed to buckle Diaz despite numerous connections and came out of the round exhausted. He may have won the round on points, but he looked worse for it after the bell imo. Nate was bleeding but he didnt look phased

Ive stated numerous times I like Conor, but he doesn't beat Diaz imo, even on Diaz's worst day as we just seen

Zencop · 09-03-2016 07:52PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Because we are discussing striking...and they are the FACTS regarding the striking in the fight...Love it or Hate it ..doesn't matter..but accept it because they wont change

Yeah he "controlled" the first round...he failed to buckle Diaz despite numerous connections and came out of the round exhausted. He may have won the round on points, but he looked worse for it after the bell imo. Nate was bleeding but he didnt look phased

Ive stated numerous times I like Conor, but he doesn't beat Diaz imo, even on Diaz's worst day as we just seen

He looked was tired because he was carrying an extra 20 pounds than he usually does during a fight. It puts far too much strain on his cardiovascular system in such a short timespan.

Simply Red · 09-03-2016 07:54PM

Impressive prediction by Joe Lauzon

The Talking Bread · 09-03-2016 08:09PM

So ye guys have any prediction when, where, what weight and against whom Mcgregor will be next out?

A few predictions will suffice. All I know is he will be going down in weight I'm sure?

StringerBell · 09-03-2016 08:32PM

145 fight v Aldo at UFC 200 Las Vegas

Depending on how relations are between Frankie and Dana he may get himself in, but given Dana's reaction when asked about Frankie before the Diaz fight I wouldn't bank on it.

jigglypuffstuff · 09-03-2016 08:36PM

Zencop wrote: »

He looked was tired because he was carrying an extra 20 pounds than he usually does during a fight. It puts far too much strain on his cardiovascular system in such a short timespan.

Umm are you forgetting he walks around at this weight?? therefore on a normal basis he should be training at this weight..I fail to understand how nobody understands this!

He tanked out because his cardio is bad, not because of a 20lb weight gain

Fall_Guy · 09-03-2016 08:47PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Because we are discussing striking...and they are the FACTS regarding the striking in the fight...Love it or Hate it ..doesn't matter..but accept it because they wont change

Yeah he "controlled" the first round...he failed to buckle Diaz despite numerous connections and came out of the round exhausted. He may have won the round on points, but he looked worse for it after the bell imo. Nate was bleeding but he didnt look phased

Ive stated numerous times I like Conor, but he doesn't beat Diaz imo, even on Diaz's worst day as we just seen

No matter what the stats say, Conor outstruck Diaz in the first round. He landed all the telling shots. He was papped by the end of the round in fairness, but you can't suggest Nate outstruck Conor up to that point just because he was less tired.

If the stats show that diaz landed more, the majority of his shots were pitter patter until he sensed Conor was gassing in the 2nd round and started to turn up the heat.

I feel Conor definitely has the physical tools to beat Diaz. There's no reason why he couldn't have hit and run, he has the boxing skills and movement to do it. Whether he has the mental strength to withstand the sort of pressure that Diaz can put on remains to be seen however.

jigglypuffstuff · 09-03-2016 09:01PM

Fall_Guy wrote: »

No matter what the stats say, Conor outstruck Diaz in the first round. He landed all the telling shots. He was papped by the end of the round in fairness, but you can't suggest Nate outstruck Conor up to that point just because he was less tired.

If the stats show that diaz landed more, the majority of his shots were pitter patter until he sensed Conor was gassing in the 2nd round and started to turn up the heat.

I feel Conor definitely has the physical tools to beat Diaz. There's no reason why he couldn't have hit and run, he has the boxing skills and movement to do it. Whether he has the mental strength to withstand the sort of pressure that Diaz can put on remains to be seen however.

Actually I said Conor won the first, but he came out worse for wear because he was almost finished by then and Nate hadn't even gotten started

The stats showed Diaz as the superior striker because Diaz is the superior striker...he went with volume and it paid off...Power means F/A if you cant hurt someone and even less when its draining your energy against a guy who could in some respect, be compared to a solid steel door in terms of durability.

Conor hasn't the boxing skills to beat Diaz, because we just seen McGregors Boxing Vs Diaz's and Diaz's made his look bad because he couldnt buckle him...then Conor decided to go to ground and got trumped there also

So no, Conor never had the boxing skill to beat Diaz, Diaz's boxing is in a league above Conors, as his ground game, and his cardio, and his durability

Its kind of strange that people refuse to accept Diaz as the better fighter, on no level could Conor beat him...He's practically the antithesis to McGregor, and the fight proved it

The fact is Diaz beats Conor even when he's at his worst (Food Poisoned and without a camp) whether its hard to swallow is irrelevant, its obvious

StringerBell · 09-03-2016 09:06PM

Nate did very little in the first round, how much of that was by design is open to interpretation. I feel like the blood has clouded people a bit. Though Conor landed in the first round and had a high volume of punches attempted he hit air and glove an awful lot.

I have re watched the fight a few times now, and though Conor certainly won the first round, he didn't deliver the domination that I thought on first go. Nate was definitely playing possum a little also in my eyes.

I would urge anybody to watch the fight a few times, with the volume off if that will help and just watch the strikes, landed and missed.

Utopia Parkway · 09-03-2016 09:15PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Actually I said Conor won the first, but he came out worse for wear because he was almost finished by then and Nate hadn't even gotten started

The stats showed Diaz as the superior striker because Diaz is the superior striker...he went with volume and it paid off...Power means F/A if you cant hurt someone and even less when its draining your energy against a guy who could in some respect, be compared to a solid steel door in terms of durability.

Conor hasn't the boxing skills to beat Diaz, because we just seen McGregors Boxing Vs Diaz's and Diaz's made his look bad because he couldnt buckle him...then Conor decided to go to ground and got trumped there also

So no, Conor never had the boxing skill to beat Diaz, Diaz's boxing is in a league above Conors, as his ground game, and his cardio, and his durability

Its kind of strange that people refuse to accept Diaz as the better fighter, on no level could Conor beat him...He's practically the antithesis to McGregor, and the fight proved it

The fact is Diaz beats Conor even when he's at his worst (Food Poisoned and without a camp) whether its hard to swallow is irrelevant, its obvious

I wouldn't be so sure that Nate is the superior striker over a non-gassed Conor to be honest. When Conor had energy he was doing very well standing. It only became a problem when he punched himself out and suddenly he couldn't move his feet, move his head or barely even lift his arms to defend himself.

Nate won the fight deservedly but there's already been a lot of nonsense revisionism about the fight that doesn't really hold any water. I've seen people say that Nate actually won the first round or that Conor could never beat him no matter what. Neither of which are true IMO. Half way through the 2nd round Conor was on his way to being up 2 rounds to 0. A lighter Conor at 155 with a better gas tank and superior game plan could certainly win a decision over Nate. Stopping him would be very difficult though as Nate can take almost endless punishment.

Creded · 09-03-2016 09:16PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Actually I said Conor won the first, but he came out worse for wear because he was almost finished by then and Nate hadn't even gotten started

The stats showed Diaz as the superior striker because Diaz is the superior striker...he went with volume and it paid off...Power means F/A if you cant hurt someone and even less when its draining your energy against a guy who could in some respect, be compared to a solid steel door in terms of durability.

Conor hasn't the boxing skills to beat Diaz, because we just seen McGregors Boxing Vs Diaz's and Diaz's made his look bad because he couldnt buckle him...then Conor decided to go to ground and got trumped there also

So no, Conor never had the boxing skill to beat Diaz, Diaz's boxing is in a league above Conors, as his ground game, and his cardio, and his durability

Its kind of strange that people refuse to accept Diaz as the better fighter, on no level could Conor beat him...He's practically the antithesis to McGregor, and the fight proved it

The fact is Diaz beats Conor even when he's at his worst (Food Poisoned and without a camp) whether its hard to swallow is irrelevant, its obvious

I think Conor is significantly more skilled than Diaz. Conor was at a bigger disadvantage as he wasn't used to fighting carrying so much weight. I know what it feels like after after buling up by a stone myself and it absolutely destroys your cardio. With another 6 months of training with that extra weight I think his stamina would catch up to carry his bodyweight through a fight.

He lost because he got tired.

Gamebred · 09-03-2016 09:19PM

Creded wrote: »

I think Conor is significantly more skilled than Diaz. Conor was at a bigger disadvantage as he wasn't used to fighting carrying so much weight. I know what it feels like after after buling up by a stone myself and it absolutely destroys your cardio. With another 6 months of training with that extra weight I think his stamina would catch up to carry his bodyweight through a fight.

He lost because he got tired.

Very unfair to Diaz to say he was beaten by fatigue imo,like saying Mendes lost because he got tired so your discrediting that win if your discrediting Diaz's,he made him get tired stayed out of trouble and won the fight very clearly.

newbbieb · 09-03-2016 09:22PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Nate did very little in the first round, how much of that was by design is open to interpretation. I feel like the blood has clouded people a bit. Though Conor landed in the first round and had a high volume of punches attempted he hit air and glove an awful lot.

I have re watched the fight a few times now, and though Conor certainly won the first round, he didn't deliver the domination that I thought on first go. Nate was definitely playing possum a little also in my eyes.

I would urge anybody to watch the fight a few times, with the volume off if that will help and just watch the strikes, landed and missed.

Yeah he did hit a lot of air,and it was a poor performance from Conor and again i wouldn't bet money on him beating Nate again.But i also wouldn't go as far as the poster above who imo is trying to irritate people coz he dislikes Conor so much.

There is some reasons to believe Conor can vastly improve on this outing,this win for Nate was as much about how bad Conor was,as it was about how well Nate handled him.You can trot out the short notice Nate stuff as a reason to think Nate comes out better,but even Nate admitted afterwards on his worse day he trains for two hours.

It could be right that he can't beat Nate,he is a fair bit longer and taller than Conor,but i think even the biggest Diaz fan can admit this Conor was different than the Conor we usually see.

bur · 09-03-2016 09:39PM

Probably already been said, but which Diaz brother does Conor fight at UFC 209?

bur · 09-03-2016 09:44PM

Watching it again, Conor's biggest mistake is seemingly having no respect at all for Nate's boxing. Which is crazy considering the Diaz brothers have always been regarded as top of the pile when it comes to MMA boxing.
Nate does a great job too of rolling with a lot of Conor's power shots, they still land but the sting is taken out of them. Contrast that with Aldo.

That and bad instincts i think. He could have survived that round had he not panicked.

Gamebred · 09-03-2016 10:47PM

Kicks like this he needs to get rid of from his game,was probably tired here already throwing it,no snap in it what so ever basically asking to be taken down and of his potential match ups are catching that with ease,he wont get an x guard sweep everytime like he did there.

Paully D · 09-03-2016 10:57PM

Gamebred wrote: »

he wont get an x guard sweep everytime like he did there.

He certainly won't and I completely agree with you, but man that's beautiful to watch.

CurryFlavoured · 09-03-2016 11:03PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Kicks like this he needs to get rid of from his game,was probably tired here already throwing it,no snap in it what so ever basically asking to be taken down and of his potential match ups are catching that with ease,he wont get an x guard sweep everytime like he did there.

Agreed 100%, I also think Nate was pretty happy to sit in guard.

darced · 09-03-2016 11:19PM

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JustShon · 09-03-2016 11:37PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Kicks like this he needs to get rid of from his game,was probably tired here already throwing it,no snap in it what so ever basically asking to be taken down and of his potential match ups are catching that with ease,he wont get an x guard sweep everytime like he did there.

Jesus, that's actually embarassing to watch. He may as well have laid down on the ground for Nate there.

mdwexford · 09-03-2016 11:56PM

Not buying Nate is a better striker than Conor.
He is obviously excellent but Conor is unreal when he's on his game.

Nate the more well rounded fighter, yes.

Zero-Cool · 10-03-2016 12:00AM

Plus Nate was blocking punches with his hands up and Conor was blocking them with his face

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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