riffmongous wrote: » I agree, it's the nature of the beast really, I think the rules should be changed to put limits on it but you can't blame the fighters as long as they are making weight. Although I do give extra respect for someone who doesn't cut very much, like Edgar, I thought he was like a hero when he was champ Him and Machida went down for extra opportunities rather than to gain a size advantagehttp://www.mmafighting.com/2012/8/14/3241872/frankie-edgar-boxing-coach-bantamweight-featherweight-mma-news Now you could say he didn't have much choice at fighting LW back in those days when there were no lower classes, but still he fought much bigger men and would still be there if he had gotten a bit more luck with the judges
PIMPHO wrote: » On same flight back as Conor's Mum and she said he's been on antibiotics for past 2 weeks for a chest infection. Explains why he gassed and looked for a quick KO. Said that he doesn't want to make excuses, he'll learn from this loss and he's raring to go again.
Richard tea wrote: » Ok its been a few days. Im still gutted. But things are looking up. After re watching moments of the fight I have Cornor as the better striker. He gassed. Thats it plain and simple. He beat himself. Im sure he will come back and dominate 145 division and most likely dominate 155 division also. I would like to see him at 170 again but not within the next 2 years and this time have a solid fight plan. I think If Nate was honest with himself he would admit that those punches hurt big time. Those slow mo gifs posted earlier are beautiful.
Sync wrote: » Did Nates legs buckle at any stage tho? Genuinely curious, as I know Conors did when Nate caught him, which was the beginning of the end.
pone2012 wrote: » Thats laughable seriously the stats as follows from Fightmetric According to FightMetric, Diaz landed 77 of 152 significant strikes so not only was he more frequent a striker than McGregor (61 of 140) but he was also substantially more precise with his 50% accuracy rate trumping McGregor's 43%. McGregor was never the better striker, the stats speak for themselves..not to mention he never actually rocked Nate...Whereas Nate buckled him...and Nate is a volume striker, not a power striker And again, he had no camp...so no McGregor is far from a better striker than Diaz, Diaz's boxing trumps Mcgregors on his worst day (considering no camp and food poisoning, we've got first hand evidence of that) And if he cant take Diaz, id argue (along with most people) he hasn't a hope of beating RDA...as RDA is a far more difficult fight He never buckled Nate, those punches that connected were soaked up like a sponge, Nice punches yes, but did not have the intended effect
newbbieb wrote: » Why not just have fightmetric judge the fights too huh.Do away with the judges.Its ridiculous to base your whole judgement on fightmetric Jesus. Again i wouldn't go as far as to say Conor was schooling Nate because Conor looked more sluggish than usual and it wasn't totally one sided but up until he gassed most neutrals can accept Conor was winning the fight comfortably,again i am not saying he is the better fighter or if he can ever beat Nate again but he was without doubt beating him on the feet,till he punched himself out.
pone2012 wrote: » Because we are discussing striking...and they are the FACTS regarding the striking in the fight...Love it or Hate it ..doesn't matter..but accept it because they wont change Yeah he "controlled" the first round...he failed to buckle Diaz despite numerous connections and came out of the round exhausted. He may have won the round on points, but he looked worse for it after the bell imo. Nate was bleeding but he didnt look phased Ive stated numerous times I like Conor, but he doesn't beat Diaz imo, even on Diaz's worst day as we just seen
Zencop wrote: » He looked was tired because he was carrying an extra 20 pounds than he usually does during a fight. It puts far too much strain on his cardiovascular system in such a short timespan.
Fall_Guy wrote: » No matter what the stats say, Conor outstruck Diaz in the first round. He landed all the telling shots. He was papped by the end of the round in fairness, but you can't suggest Nate outstruck Conor up to that point just because he was less tired. If the stats show that diaz landed more, the majority of his shots were pitter patter until he sensed Conor was gassing in the 2nd round and started to turn up the heat. I feel Conor definitely has the physical tools to beat Diaz. There's no reason why he couldn't have hit and run, he has the boxing skills and movement to do it. Whether he has the mental strength to withstand the sort of pressure that Diaz can put on remains to be seen however.
pone2012 wrote: » Actually I said Conor won the first, but he came out worse for wear because he was almost finished by then and Nate hadn't even gotten started The stats showed Diaz as the superior striker because Diaz is the superior striker...he went with volume and it paid off...Power means F/A if you cant hurt someone and even less when its draining your energy against a guy who could in some respect, be compared to a solid steel door in terms of durability. Conor hasn't the boxing skills to beat Diaz, because we just seen McGregors Boxing Vs Diaz's and Diaz's made his look bad because he couldnt buckle him...then Conor decided to go to ground and got trumped there also So no, Conor never had the boxing skill to beat Diaz, Diaz's boxing is in a league above Conors, as his ground game, and his cardio, and his durability Its kind of strange that people refuse to accept Diaz as the better fighter, on no level could Conor beat him...He's practically the antithesis to McGregor, and the fight proved it The fact is Diaz beats Conor even when he's at his worst (Food Poisoned and without a camp) whether its hard to swallow is irrelevant, its obvious
Creded wrote: » I think Conor is significantly more skilled than Diaz. Conor was at a bigger disadvantage as he wasn't used to fighting carrying so much weight. I know what it feels like after after buling up by a stone myself and it absolutely destroys your cardio. With another 6 months of training with that extra weight I think his stamina would catch up to carry his bodyweight through a fight. He lost because he got tired.
StringerBell wrote: » Nate did very little in the first round, how much of that was by design is open to interpretation. I feel like the blood has clouded people a bit. Though Conor landed in the first round and had a high volume of punches attempted he hit air and glove an awful lot. I have re watched the fight a few times now, and though Conor certainly won the first round, he didn't deliver the domination that I thought on first go. Nate was definitely playing possum a little also in my eyes. I would urge anybody to watch the fight a few times, with the volume off if that will help and just watch the strikes, landed and missed.
Gamebred wrote: » he wont get an x guard sweep everytime like he did there.
Gamebred wrote: » Kicks like this he needs to get rid of from his game,was probably tired here already throwing it,no snap in it what so ever basically asking to be taken down and of his potential match ups are catching that with ease,he wont get an x guard sweep everytime like he did there.
