Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.

Nelson's Pillar

1…1819212324…38

Comments

  • #602
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    maryishere wrote: »
    No, I love it. Nelsons Pillar was part of Dublins history though. 400 Dubliners served with Nelson. You should not wish to airbrush away parts of history you may disagree with. Nelsons Pillar was designed by an Irishman. You think its ok that some IRA man thought it ok to blow it up, risking lives? And for what? To have it replaced by the present ugly spike which was desihned by an Englishman, which was very expensive and which cannot even be used as a viewing platform?


    I know history. You do not have to admire the IRA to know history.

    I think you've proven you know nothing about history throughout this thread.


  • #603
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    It is very damaging to a fragile peace situation to compare IRA bombings to ISIS. I've seen it on news broadcasts etc. Piers Morgan - 'I was in London when the IRA bombed so and so.' Everybody was somewhere beside an IRA bomb it appears.
    England was at war with Ireland.

    ISIS? They are at war with anyone not wearing a burka or brandishing a machete.


  • #604
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    buried wrote: »
    You really, really hate your own country don't you? Can't see any good in it at all can you? Don't even know its own history, you don't even want to know. Feel sorry for you, I truly do

    And the sad thing is she will never leave. I've lived in England and loved it, and the people but don't harbour this post colonial hatred of my own place.

    its not that hard to live in British Ireland - it's 90 minutes north of Dublin. And yet and yet, so few migrate there from here.


  • #605
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    It is very damaging to a fragile peace situation to compare IRA bombings to ISIS. I've seen it on news broadcasts etc. Piers Morgan - 'I was in London when the IRA bombed so and so.' Everybody was somewhere beside an IRA bomb it appears.
    England was at war with Ireland.

    ISIS? They are at war with anyone not wearing a burka or brandishing a machete.

    Actually the IRA were murderous. Maybe not the sheer intensity of the ISIS mass killings but they bombed pubs and town centres.


  • #606
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Actually the IRA were murderous. Maybe not the sheer intensity of the ISIS mass killings but they bombed pubs and town centres.

    OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!


  • Advertisement
  • #607
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Actually the IRA were murderous. Maybe not the sheer intensity of the ISIS mass killings but they bombed pubs and town centres.

    Did the RUC or the UVF do anything at all? Did the Crown do anything?


  • #608
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    Bambi wrote: »
    No-one killed, no-one injured. It's an amazing fluke of such flukeyness that you'd have to wonder was it a fluke at all.

    Lots of stories from lads about something that happened 50 years ago that they've been telling for 50 years.

    It appears you’re downplaying how close the taxi driver came to being killed (60 feet of rubble projectiles or rubble falling in seconds).

    So like the reckless, brain-dead bomber your first instinct is to smear & throw doubt on the ex-taxi driver’s account.

    Is that just world weary cynicism or some kind of agenda? I think I can guess which.

    A group of republican activists, including Liam Sutcliffe, laid the explosives that broke the pillar in two, sending half of the 121-foot structure crashing to the street.

    "The luckiest man alive today is taxi-man Stephen Maugham (19), of 29 Shantalla Road who was stopped at the traffic lights at the pillar," wrote the Irish Independent in a dramatic front-page report. "The lights turned green and just as he was about to move off, he heard the blast and saw a cloud of rocks falling towards him."

    If Maugham was killed, no prizes for guessing that Sutcliffe today would be rolling out the usual (completely insincere) hoary old weasel words and phrases about ‘regret’.

    A proud Son of Eirinn is Sutcliffe. Puke.


  • #609
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Actually the IRA were murderous. Maybe not the sheer intensity of the ISIS mass killings but they bombed pubs and town centres.

    It was the destruction of historical monuments which led journalists on national media to compare the bombing of the Pillar with Isil activities, in their search for some comparable in the past 50 years.

    Deliberate destruction and theft of cultural heritage has been conducted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS - Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or IS - Islamic State) since 2014 in Iraq, Syria, and to a lesser extent in Libya.
    ISIL uses a unit called the Kata'ib Taswiyya (settlement battalions), tasked with selecting targets for demolition. UNESCO Director-General Irina Bokova branded the ISIL activities in this respect as "a form of cultural cleansing" and launched the Unite4Heritage campaign to protect heritage sites threatened by extremists.


  • #610
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    maryishere wrote: »
    It was the destruction of historical monuments which led journalists on national media to compare the bombing of the Pillar with Isil activities, in their search for some comparable in the past 50 years.

    Deliberate destruction and theft of cultural heritage has been conducted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS - Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or IS - Islamic State) since 2014 in Iraq, Syria, and to a lesser extent in Libya.
    ISIL uses a unit called the Kata'ib Taswiyya (settlement battalions), tasked with selecting targets for demolition. UNESCO Director-General Irina Bokova branded the ISIL activities in this respect as "a form of cultural cleansing" and launched the Unite4Heritage campaign to protect heritage sites threatened by extremists.

    I'm sorry, but you do realise that you sound idiotic? 'Cultural cleansing' of Irish was carried out by the British. Do you want me to post links of 'Deliberate destruction and theft of cultural heritage' conducted by the British?


  • #611
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    In the past 50 or 100 years?

    We do not need the British to destroy an Irish designed, Irish financed and Irish built pillar / viewing platform and replace it with an ugly, expensive English designed "needle in the sky". We done it ourselves.


  • Advertisement
  • #612
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    maryishere wrote: »
    In the past 50 or 100 years?

    We do not need the British to destroy an Irish designed, Irish financed and Irish built pillar / viewing platform and replace it with an ugly, expensive English designed "needle in the sky". We done it ourselves.

    If I draw a pic of the Queen, is it Irish or English.
    It wasn't just a pillar. It had an English admiral on the top - towering over Dublin (not a place he conquered).


  • #613
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    As I said at the time Nodin, you're the expert or rather I presume you are as you never stop talking about it.

    But I keep bringing it up Fred, because every time I ask that question (or a variant thereof) of you, sutch and a few others, you won't answer it. Not once, ever. Why is that? Why can't you answer a simple non personal question - you said the British Empire shouldn't be glorified - Why should it not Fred?


  • #614
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭storker


    kingchess wrote: »
    You mean not Irish nationalism anyway,but of course English(British?) nationalism is A-okay with you.to quote Nelson himself at the battle of Trafalgar,"England expects that every man will do his duty" and I think that it is very commendable of you to take that message to heart over a hundred years later,wrong but still commendable of you.
    storker wrote: »
    Sorry but you're talking utter rubbish. Please quote one thing I've said that displays British nationalism.

    While you're at it, please explain clearly why my post indicates that I am following 200-year-old orders.

    Over to you...


    Any luck finding those quotes?


  • #615
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭storker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How about, for starters, your thanks for this classic "British Empire violence = good; Irish violence = bad" post.
    storker wrote: »
    So, no supporting quotes from anything I wrote then. Digging up a thank is the best you can do? My thanks referred to the second paragraph.

    Got anything else?

    Did you manage to come up with anything else in the end?


  • #616
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Nodin wrote: »
    But I keep bringing it up Fred, because every time I ask that question (or a variant thereof) of you, sutch and a few others, you won't answer it. Not once, ever. Why is that? Why can't you answer a simple non personal question - you said the British Empire shouldn't be glorified - Why should it not Fred?

    I'll answer. Because the British Empire was a tyranny. It's now a feeble part of the EU wondering whether it can regain its notoriety again if it leaves the EU. It can't. But proceed there.


  • #617
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    It wasn't just a pillar.
    Correct, it was a viewing platform, with an unrivalled view over the city from above its main street.
    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    It had an English admiral on the top - towering over Dublin (not a place he conquered).

    Correct, and you hate the English so much you forget the respect the people of Dublin had for Nelson and those who served with him - up to one third of his navy was Irish, in saving the country from other Empires ( France, Spain ). Dublin was so grateful it fundraised and built the pillar, with no noteable objections or protests at the time it seems.


  • #618
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    I'll answer. Because the British Empire was a tyranny. It's now a feeble part of the EU wondering whether it can regain its notoriety again if it leaves the EU. It can't. But proceed there.

    ......that's one view, yes. We await that of Fred and a few others though, who seem unduly reluctant to explain their reasoning.


  • #619
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    maryishere wrote: »
    Correct, it was a viewing platform, with an unrivalled view over the city from above its main street.



    Correct, and you hate the English so much you forget the respect the people of Dublin had for Nelson and those who served with him - up to one third of his navy was Irish, in saving the country from other Empires ( France, Spain ). Dublin was so grateful it fundraised and built the pillar, with no noteable objections or protests at the time it seems.

    Nothing notable? Because we were not allowed to protest! Why do you think 1916 happened?


  • #620
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    Because the British Empire was a tyranny. .
    Show me a country or Empire that was not, if you go far enough back in history you will see great mistakes made by all. All the European countries had Empires.
    A lot of the Colonial administration in India was Irish.


  • #621
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    maryishere wrote: »
    Show me a country or Empire that was not, if you go far enough back in history you will see great mistakes made by all. All the European countries had Empires.
    A lot of the Colonial administration in India was Irish.

    How much of it was?


  • Advertisement
  • #622
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    maryishere wrote: »
    Show me a country or Empire that was not, if you go far enough back in history you will see great mistakes made by all. All the European countries had Empires.
    A lot of the Colonial administration in India was Irish.

    You mean planted British Irish?

    I think you'll find no Irish man invaded India.


  • #623
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Here is a song you should listen to Mary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMf6IyJI0e4


  • #624
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,098 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I'll leave the anecdotes to yourself and Mary

    I think most right minded folks would see recorded history and official documents to trump that stuff.

    In any event, the statue on top of the column should have been moved and replaced by one that the people actually wanted.

    It's unfortunate that the column itself was damaged in the process of carrying out what the council, people and various organisations had wanted for so long but there you go. If the government had acted earlier and taken control from trustees and handed it to the public, it wouldn't have been the case.

    Recorded history and official documents refer only to politically motivated discussion of the future of the Pillar or it's role at that time.

    Any Dubs of that generation I have spoken to refer to the people who blew up the Pillar as "a bunch of effing eejits" or similar terms and they are undoubtedly right.....it was an act of eejitry and clownishness of the worst order (and could easily have killed people that night).


  • #625
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Recorded history and official documents refer only to politically motivated discussion of the future of the Pillar or it's role at that time.

    Any Dubs of that generation I have spoken to refer to the people who blew up the Pillar as "a bunch of effing eejits" or similar terms and they are undoubtedly right.....it was an act of eejitry and clownishness of the worst order (and could easily have killed people that night).

    I beg to differ. Even the retired cop intimated that there were celebrations. I know that my own family and everyone I've ever spoken to speaks very fondly of Nelson's pillar being blown up. It's always viewed with great glee.


  • #626
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    I think you'll find no Irish man invaded India.
    To the Indian at the time, it mattered not if the white man he / she encountered was from Ireland, England , Wales or Scotland, or a combination or mix of these.

    Italy acquired in Africa alone Ethiopia, a colony on the Red Sea coast (Eritrea), a large protectorate in Somalia and administrative authority in formerly Turkish Libya. Outside of Africa, Italy possessed a small concession in Tientsin in China and the Dodecanese Islands off the coast of Turkey. Do you think no man from Sicily invaded those countries?
    Strazdas wrote: »
    Any Dubs of that generation I have spoken to refer to the people who blew up the Pillar as "a bunch of effing eejits" or similar terms and they are undoubtedly right.....it was an act of eejitry and clownishness of the worst order (and could easily have killed people that night).

    Correct, most Dubliners had affection for the Pillar, and many had been up it and admired the view.


  • #627
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    maryishere wrote: »
    Show me a country or Empire that was not, if you go far enough back in history you will see great mistakes made by all. All the European countries had Empires.
    A lot of the Colonial administration in India was Irish.

    Ireland was not a tyranny... correct me if I'm wrong.


  • #628
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    maryishere wrote: »
    To the Indian at the time, it mattered not if the white man he / she encountered was from Ireland, England , Wales or Scotland, or a combination or mix of these.

    Italy acquired in Africa alone Ethiopia, a colony on the Red Sea coast (Eritrea), a large protectorate in Somalia and administrative authority in formerly Turkish Libya. Outside of Africa, Italy possessed a small concession in Tientsin in China and the Dodecanese Islands off the coast of Turkey. Do you think no man from Sicily invaded those countries?

    Well, to this Irish woman it matters to me that you withdraw your ridiculous statement.


  • #629
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    maryishere wrote: »
    To the Indian at the time, it mattered not if the white man he / she encountered was from Ireland, England , Wales or Scotland, or a combination or mix of these.

    Italy acquired in Africa alone Ethiopia, a colony on the Red Sea coast (Eritrea), a large protectorate in Somalia and administrative authority in formerly Turkish Libya. Outside of Africa, Italy possessed a small concession in Tientsin in China and the Dodecanese Islands off the coast of Turkey. Do you think no man from Sicily invaded those countries?

    If you might enlighten me, how much of the colonial administration in india was irish?


  • #630
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Nodin wrote: »
    If you might enlighten me, how much of the colonial administration in india was irish?

    Up to a quarter, if you study your history.

    Like the 206,000 Irish people who volunteered to wear British uniforms in WW1, they probably done it for a variety of reasons.


  • Advertisement
  • #631
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    maryishere wrote: »
    Up to a quarter, if you study your history.

    Like the 206,000 Irish people who volunteered to wear British uniforms in WW1, they probably done it for a variety of reasons.

    In fairness, they didn't have the option of wearing Irish uniforms.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement