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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #4382
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Couldn't agree with you on that one. When things were really bad 3hrs morning and 3 hrs evening grazing with no silage worked really well. I know that can't be continue long term with out silage or you'd skin your cows.

    We brought them back in at 8pm, a real pain in the whole but worked well and cows did well.

    Used to do similar to that when we were dairying. Bringing in cows in cold dark evenings is hard to face into after sitting down for the evening (or flat out calving cows) My dad said it was hardship but it got easier as the kids got to workable age.

    The more kids the longer the rota...


  • #4383
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    darragh_haven wrote: »
    Used to do similar to that when we were dairying. Bringing in cows in cold dark evenings is hard to face into after sitting down for the evening (or flat out calving cows) My dad said it was hardship but it got easier as the kids got to workable age.

    The more kids the longer the rota...

    I'm nearly there so ;)


  • #4384
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Couldn't agree with you on that one. When things were really bad 3hrs morning and 3 hrs evening grazing with no silage worked really well. I know that can't be continue long term with out silage or you'd skin your cows.

    We brought them back in at 8pm, a real pain in the whole but worked well and cows did well.

    But from what I gather fellas that are getting out are having to pencil silageinto budget due to lower growth rates.what are people thinking for finishing up grass in those herds getting out , im thinking 20th april as I have only 50%ground bagged and that may even have been washed away.


  • #4385
    frazzledhome
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    keep going wrote: »
    But from what I gather fellas that are getting out are having to pencil silageinto budget due to lower growth rates.what are people thinking for finishing up grass in those herds getting out , im thinking 20th april as I have only 50%ground bagged and that may even have been washed away.

    We're on target to end first round by April 1 and have silage bales to feed out early in rnd 2 if necessary. Dry land. Our urea spread 2+ weeks ago has really worked.

    Gr is almost non existent on heavier covers but anything that's was grazed in early Feb has recovered really well. I know not every one could manage it but you did ask about full time grass.

    Our cows were brought in last Monday and are only going to grass today but can't come back in as nowhere to put them.


  • #4386
    stretch film
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭stretch film


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Mine used to get a touch loose sometimes on the switch over, especially younger ones.. Treat them as you usually would, it's more than likely just a digestive. After a few days and the curdling gets going in their stomachs they'll tighten up. I've often wondered is this caused by the younger calfs rumen not ready yet for the yogurt. They'll adjust after 24-48 hrs, you won't look back.

    Thanks Clyde. Gave electro last night and
    They were slow to finish th his morning .Noticed older calves pasty on their tails as Well.
    Time to go Oad with older lads . What's the max you've ever fed Oad


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  • #4387
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,674 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I'm posting this here as ye dairy farmers have more experience rearing calves.
    We have an ongoing problem with bloat in suck calves. We only buy calves from the same 5 or 6 dairy farmers every year and we never had the problem before. One day you could have 2 calves out of a pen of 9 bloating and the next day a different calf. So far I have been giving them a dose of bread soda or liquid paraffin to relieve the symptoms and hand feeding/tubing them the next day with live yoghurt/milk replacer mix or glucose/yoghurt mix. The milk replacer that we use is the same one that we have used for the last 10 years. I phoned the agent in Ireland to see if they had changed the ingredients. In fairness he got a guy from the manufacturers in Holland to phone me and he assured me that there was no change in the ingredients.
    The calves have ad-lib access to calf crunch, water, hay and good quality barley straw which is what we always do.


  • #4388
    orm0nd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    feeder teats too high up, or faulty / incorrect teats

    use an acidifer/gut enhanser with powder

    cut out the hay, straw alone is much better


  • #4389
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    Base price wrote: »
    I'm posting this here as ye dairy farmers have more experience rearing calves.
    We have an ongoing problem with bloat in suck calves. We only buy calves from the same 5 or 6 dairy farmers every year and we never had the problem before. One day you could have 2 calves out of a pen of 9 bloating and the next day a different calf. So far I have been giving them a dose of bread soda or liquid paraffin to relieve the symptoms and hand feeding/tubing them the next day with live yoghurt/milk replacer mix or glucose/yoghurt mix. The milk replacer that we use is the same one that we have used for the last 10 years. I phoned the agent in Ireland to see if they had changed the ingredients. In fairness he got a guy from the manufacturers in Holland to phone me and he assured me that there was no change in the ingredients.
    The calves have ad-lib access to calf crunch, water, hay and good quality barley straw which is what we always do.
    BP, what's the yogurt/milk replacer mix you are using?


  • #4390
    Base price
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    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    BP, what's the yogurt/milk replacer mix you are using?
    125grms of milk replacer in two litres as per directions plus two dessert spoons of natural yoghurt.


  • #4391
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,674 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Base price wrote: »
    125grms of milk replacer in two litres as per directions plus two dessert spoons of natural yoghurt.
    125 gms per litre.


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  • #4392
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    First night back in for the girls in 11 milkings. Forecast is looking better from tomorrow morning on, so hopefully this is their last night ondoors for a long time.


  • #4393
    whelan2
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    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    First night back in for the girls in 11 milkings. Forecast is looking better from tomorrow morning on, so hopefully this is their last night ondoors for a long time.
    was going to keep mine in today but they were bawling everytime they saw me so I let them out


  • #4394
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    AWFULLL outside now. Deadliest catch kinda stuff. Over 50mm forecasted. Lovely.

    Cows out 24/7 but this may change things a little...probably will turn dry here now after this 'event'. Looking forward to a bit of spring. A couple of locals are hearing Cuckoos of late.


  • #4395
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Dawggone wrote: »
    AWFULLL outside now. Deadliest catch kinda stuff. Over 50mm forecasted. Lovely.

    How much will you harvest? Will your soils retain much of it, is it a boost for your spring cropping?


  • #4396
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    freedominacup wrote: »
    How much will you harvest? Will your soils retain much of it, is it a boost for your spring cropping?

    It's a PITA. The last thing I need is rain like this. I wouldn't say no to it in summer though.
    I'm cutting spring planting to the absolute minimum, anything planted will be to fill existing contracts. I dodged a bullet last year by letting land idle...honestly, dairy lads don't realize that tillage is waaay worse off for the last three years. The last while has taught me the importance of added value, way beyond boosting 'solids'.


  • #4397
    bogman_bass
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    I've heard a few lads say they'll calve a week later next year. Anybody else thinking along those lines?


  • #4398
    farmerjj
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    I've heard a few lads say they'll calve a week later next year. Anybody else thinking along those lines?

    No we were a week later than normal this year and will put it back next year, dont like calving to many cows in march there,s just to many other jobs on then


  • #4399
    Timmaay
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    It's a PITA. The last thing I need is rain like this. I wouldn't say no to it in summer though.
    I'm cutting spring planting to the absolute minimum, anything planted will be to fill existing contracts. I dodged a bullet last year by letting land idle...honestly, dairy lads don't realize that tillage is waaay worse off for the last three years. The last while has taught me the importance of added value, way beyond boosting 'solids'.

    My maize supplier was telling me that his orders from dairy farmers are well down this year, and he's seriously considering selling a good chunk of it on contract for use with a biodigester plant up north instead now. I don't want to know what he'll be left with after haulage is accounted for on that. How any tillage lads are paying anything like 150e/acre for rent I don't know.


  • #4400
    darragh_haven
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    My maize supplier was telling me that his orders from dairy farmers are well down this year, and he's seriously considering selling a good chunk of it on contract for use with a biodigester plant up north instead now. I don't want to know what he'll be left with after haulage is accounted for on that. How any tillage lads are paying anything like 150e/acre for rent I don't know.

    He should be getting £50 to £55/ton (€65ish) landed in the digester site. Depending on quality of coarse.


  • #4401
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Serious rain here yesterday evening. Cows in again for a few days


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  • #4402
    td5man
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    darragh_haven wrote: »
    He should be getting £50 to £55/ton (€65ish) landed in the digester site. Depending on quality of coarse.

    They were shipping fodder beet from Cork to Derry a couple of years ago.


  • #4403
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    td5man wrote: »
    They were shipping fodder beet from Cork to Derry a couple of years ago.

    I'm pretty sure that never happened as the plant was never built. It was supposed to be a big 4 megawatt plant and the figures didn't stack up. Altho I'm not fully sure.


  • #4404
    td5man
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    darragh_haven wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that never happened as the plant was never built. It was supposed to be a big 4 megawatt plant and the figures didn't stack up. Altho I'm not fully sure.

    Farmer in cork was telling that beet was scarce because it was going to Derry, t hats all I know.


  • #4405
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Decision making here today.had a spin around the out blocks and grass is scarce.debating wether to graze one block with cows and put weanlings on silage for a few days or graze it now with the weanlings and keep milkers in by night for a bit longer.a bit of work in grazing with cows and the weanlings need every bit of help after a rough winter out .


  • #4406
    Milked out
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    keep going wrote: »
    Decision making here today.had a spin around the out blocks and grass is scarce.debating wether to graze one block with cows and put weanlings on silage for a few days or graze it now with the weanlings and keep milkers in by night for a bit longer.a bit of work in grazing with cows and the weanlings need every bit of help after a rough winter out .

    Would it be worth leaving the yearlings out and giving them a bite of meal to stretch the grass to end of first round and keep them on target?


  • #4407
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭visatorro


    td5man wrote: »
    Farmer in cork was telling that beet was scarce because it was going to Derry, t hats all I know.

    Don't mind them Cork boys. They'd tell you about cows out in January and silage in the first week in may! Wouldn't believe them for a minute!!


  • #4408
    keep going
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    Milked out wrote: »
    Would it be worth leaving the yearlings out and giving them a bite of meal to stretch the grass to end of first round and keep them on target?

    Maybe in few days time but you cant feed on grass at the minute.


  • #4409
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭visatorro


    visatorro wrote: »
    Tbc was 50 last collection, did usual, hot washes, descale. TBC 75 this morning. In serious bother. Tank seems to be washing OK. Cooling a little bit slow maybe. Any other tips or things to check. Glanbia lad was here and said plant wasn't too bad. Will I change liners and tubing??

    Also who do lads get to service tanks in the north east area. PM if you like.

    Got lads out to look at tank. Was very low in gas. This seems to have been the issue.


  • #4410
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭visatorro


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Are they the milkbar teats (the black inverted teats). If so they're designed to be very slow and calves can get tired sucking on them. Especially if very young.

    I changed the teats on my feeders to the black peach pull through teats and much faster and no problems.

    Changed teats from normal jfc teats to black peach one's, no comparison in how the calves are drinking. Chang ed over another feeder I had and trained up day old calves on it. Never did that before with the old teats. Super job. Thanks for replies


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  • #4411
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    Lads can pneumonia spread from cow to cow? Had one with it last week got her in time got vet out she seems OK now but this morning there was another cow off her meal in the parlour and looking slack,gave her 50 ml of almycin and put her in on straw bed.


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