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Nelson's Pillar

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  • #422
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The glory years, when the whole island was privileged to be part of the greatest nation on earth, ruling the waves, and at the heart of the Empire on which the sun never set.

    (Then threw a strop and through terrorism decided it would try to run its own affairs as a trifling very small country of the world instead)
    Jesus, if famines, poverty and slums are the west brit ideas of glory years, I'd hate to see what they consider to be bad times


  • #423
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The glory years, when the whole island was privileged to be part of the greatest nation on earth, ruling the waves, and at the heart of the Empire on which the sun never set.

    (Then threw a strop and through terrorism decided it would try to run its own affairs as a trifling very small country of the world instead)

    You're a brave lassie to print that in such a Republican hothouse :D

    I do however agree with you 100%.


  • #424
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I was just looking a photos of the column and it does appear to be grossly oversized in comparison to the buildings that surround its location. Nelson's effigy looks positively 'Napoleonic' in proportion to the column and its military bunker style base.

    Nelson's column looks indisputably hideous in comparison with Barcelona's Christopher Columbus Monument which is almost 60ft taller and looks to be well proportioned and thoughtfully located.


  • #425
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    LordSutch wrote: »
    You're a brave lassie to print that in such a Republican hothouse :D

    I do however agree with you 100%.


    Do you also agree with the war crimes they committed in Yemen?


    Harsh and brutal, these centers housed the sort of horrors that would make Kim Jong-Un feel ill. Detainees were stripped naked and kept in refrigerated cells, encouraging frostbite and pneumonia. Guards would stub their cigarettes out on prisoner’s skin and beatings were common. But perhaps worst of all was the sexual humiliation. Locals who had been detained could expect to have their genitals crushed by guards’ hands, or to be forced to sit naked on a metal pole; their weight forcing it into their anus.


  • #426
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Do you also agree with the war crimes they committed in Yemen?


    Harsh and brutal, these centers housed the sort of horrors that would make Kim Jong-Un feel ill. Detainees were stripped naked and kept in refrigerated cells, encouraging frostbite and pneumonia. Guards would stub their cigarettes out on prisoner’s skin and beatings were common. But perhaps worst of all was the sexual humiliation. Locals who had been detained could expect to have their genitals crushed by guards’ hands, or to be forced to sit naked on a metal pole; their weight forcing it into their anus.

    Human beings are vicious and violent.


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  • #427
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Do you also agree with the war crimes they committed in Yemen?


    Harsh and brutal, these centers housed the sort of horrors that would make Kim Jong-Un feel ill. Detainees were stripped naked and kept in refrigerated cells, encouraging frostbite and pneumonia. Guards would stub their cigarettes out on prisoner’s skin and beatings were common. But perhaps worst of all was the sexual humiliation. Locals who had been detained could expect to have their genitals crushed by guards’ hands, or to be forced to sit naked on a metal pole; their weight forcing it into their anus.

    I know nothing about Yemen, but I do agree that Ireland was privileged to be part of the greatest nation on Earth, and that our 'Strop' forced us to leave the union before the time was right for a prudent exit. Instead we left and closed down the shutters on everything outside for far too long.


  • #428
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I know nothing about Yemen, but I do agree that Ireland was privileged to be part of the greatest nation on Earth, and that its 'Strop' forced us to leave before the time was right for a prudent exit. Instead we left and closed down the shutters on everything outside for far too long.

    Thats whats wrong with you and your supporters here LS,You know nothing about anything else except what you see through those tinted red blue and white glasses you wear, Would you not even look at some of the programs on the tv re the risen and educate yourself, have some perspective of what was happening in this country where you still live. or is RTE banned from your house.


  • #429
    TCDStudent1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    May have already been mentioned but I'm not reading through 36 pages of this! On newstalk's talking history recently, there was a discussion about 1916 - was suggested that pearse's proclamation was closer to nelsons pillar than the GPO. So 'republicans' blew up a monument where arguably the greatest ever republican moment took place!


  • #430
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    You're a brave lassie to print that in such a Republican hothouse :D

    I do however agree with you 100%.

    I wasn't aware that objections to the British empire had to be from an Irish republican perspective, any more than objections to apartheid south Africa would have to have been from a left wing one.

    Then you can also perhaps be as honest as to answer the question as well. You like to criticise those of us who've made our views clear, therefore you might be bold and make yours clear too.
    lordsutch wrote:
    I know nothing about Yemen

    Well theres also Uganda, Kenya, the "raj", Burma and many many others. Are you pleading ignorance of all the Empire that you seem so fond of?
    The Rape of lucretia wrote:

    Human beings are vicious and violent.

    They are indeed. However we aren't talking about criminal acts here but systematic "governance".


  • #431
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    ...Would you not even look at some of the programs on the tv re the risen and educate yourself, have some perspective of what was happening in this country where you still live. or is RTE banned from your house.

    I watched 'Rebellion' on RTE One if that counts? BBC Two, BBC Four & Channel 4 are my usual haunts.

    The pillar was massive http://www.newstalk.com/content/000/images/000031/33250_54_news_hub_28207_656x500.JPG


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  • #432
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Jesus, if famines, poverty and slums are the west brit ideas of glory years, I'd hate to see what they consider to be bad times

    1916, the free state, leaving the commonwealth = "bad times". Things like mass land theft, massacres of non-Europeans (and Europeans if they're irish) don't seem to bother them. "its all hundreds of years ago" is a common line, even when you're discussing incidents that took place up until the 1960's and 1970's. There's a mixture of denial, defensiveness and a distinct unwillingness to admit systematic institutional wrong doing.


  • #433
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Do you also agree with the war crimes they committed in Yemen?
    According to the Authorities who renamed one of the street after Bobby Sands in Iran, there was widespread torture and beheadings and hanging and quartering by those nasty British in Northern Ireland in the 1980's.


    I wonder what the 400 Dubliners who served with Nelson and thought a lot of him, and the many Irish people who fundraised and built the pillar, would have thought of the blowing up of the pillar?

    Huge atrocities were committed by France and Spain hundreds of years ago, and we were protected from invasion thanks to Nelson and his navy, which was up to one thirds Irish.


  • #434
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well theres also Uganda, Kenya, the "raj", Burma and many many others.

    Bravo Nodin, bravo.

    You took your time, but got there in the end.


  • #435
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I know nothing about Yemen, but I do agree that Ireland was privileged to be part of the greatest nation on Earth, and that our 'Strop' forced us to leave the union before the time was right for a prudent exit. Instead we left and closed down the shutters on everything outside for far too long.

    Could you elaborate and tell us why in your opinion britain was the greatest nation on earth?


  • #436
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    maryishere wrote: »
    Huge atrocities were committed by France and Spain hundreds of years ago, and we were protected from invasion thanks to Nelson and his navy, which was up to one thirds Irish.

    When you consider that the shinnerbots revere a Nazi sympathizer who was plotting an invasion of Ireland by the third Reich, you come to realise that hypocrisy is second nature to them.


  • #437
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,760 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Nelson was one of the good guys apparently.
    Quoting wikipedia since I'm too lazy to look for bona fide sources.
    He based his command on love rather than authority, inspiring both his superiors and his subordinates with his considerable courage, commitment and charisma, dubbed 'the Nelson touch'


  • #438
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    maryishere wrote: »
    According to the Authorities who renamed one of the street after Bobby Sands in Iran, there was widespread torture and beheadings and hanging and quartering by those nasty British in Northern Ireland in the 1980's.


    I wonder what the 400 Dubliners who served with Nelson and thought a lot of him, and the many Irish people who fundraised and built the pillar, would have thought of the blowing up of the pillar?

    Huge atrocities were committed by France and Spain hundreds of years ago, and we were protected from invasion thanks to Nelson and his navy, which was up to one thirds Irish.

    you forgot to throw in the homeless there :-)


  • #439
    MacauDragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭MacauDragon


    josip wrote: »
    Nelson was one of the good guys apparently.
    Quoting wikipedia since I'm too lazy to look for bona fide sources.

    Sounds like gay sailor action.


  • #440
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    firstly , it survived 50 years after the rising, so most didnt worry about Nelson it seems, until a completely unrepresentative group took it into their hands to carry out a violent act, shades of the next 50 years

    surely the figure simply could have been replaced with something else
    No, its a legacy of occupation. Many statues were removed after independence and his should have been amongst them. There's a nice one a short trip away if anyone wants to see it.

    all of Dublin is a legacy of occupation LOL

    and I see the same groups are at it over shackleton


  • #441
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    When you consider that the shinnerbots revere a Nazi sympathizer who was plotting an invasion of Ireland by the third Reich, you come to realise that hypocrisy is second nature to them.


    Nothing got to do with shinnerbots, its all got to do with taking down a statue which the majority of this country's people felt represented a occupying force, and the majority of people were glad to see it go, Whats wrong with you people that you cant accept that we didn't want to live under british rule no more.end of.


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  • #442
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    droidman123 wrote: »
    Could you elaborate and tell us why in your opinion britain was the greatest nation on earth?

    Maybe in a more apt thread, but this thread is about Nelsons Pillar. He was a great man who triumphed at Trafalgar and was honoured in Dublin by Irish merchants who realised his brilliance in defeating the combined sea power of the French and Spanish fleets! One third of Nelsons navy was Irish, hence the interest towards him in Dublin. The pillar was a great loss IMO.


  • #443
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    BoatMad wrote: »
    firstly , it survived 50 years after the rising, so most didnt worry about Nelson it seems, until a completely unrepresentative group took it into their hands to carry out a violent act, shades of the next 50 years

    surely the figure simply could have been replaced with something else



    all of Dublin is a legacy of occupation LOL

    and I see the same groups are at it over shackleton



    There has always been controversy over it ,one of the reasons it wasn't destroyed before was the fact that they did not actually know who owned it and who would the bill to get it destroyed, its all in that link i posted back there somewhere.


  • #444
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Nothing got to do with shinnerbots, its all got to do with taking down a statue which the majority of this country's people felt represented a occupying force, and the majority of people were glad to see it go, Whats wrong with you people that you cant accept that we didn't want to live under british rule no more.end of.

    Nothings wrong with me, thanks. You?

    I've already said I think it should have been moved. If you read what is written, rather than make things up, these threads are far more interesting.


  • #445
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    There has always been controversy over it ,one of the reasons it wasn't destroyed before was the fact that they did not actually know who owned it and who would the bill to get it destroyed, its all in that link i posted back there somewhere.
    Why was destroying it even an option instead of just removing the damn statue?


  • #446
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,084 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If you think Nelson was a British imperialist stooge, you really should want to keep the statue there to remind people - this is what we fought against in 1916.

    If you think Nelson was a European hero who saved (not just) Ireland from Bonapartism, you really should want to keep the statue there to remind people of his greatness.

    Or maybe we should have replaced it with a statue to the huge numbers of unknown Irish soldier who took the Queen's shillings, and suffered all the glories and horrors, controversies and honours, that brings.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #447
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,124 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I looked a lot better than the Soviet-eque concrete carbuncles, glass boxes of offices and gerry-built housing estates that no fcuker wants to live in put up since.


  • #448
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    maryishere wrote: »
    According to(............) Irish.

    The usual evasive nonsense I see.
    Fratton Fred wrote:

    Bravo Nodin, bravo.

    You took your time, but got there in the end

    Don't address the question whatever you do Fred.
    boatmad wrote:
    firstly , it survived 50 years after the rising, so most didnt worry about
    Nelson it seems, ............

    Other than the people who wanted to remove it, who bought the single that celebrated its demise, turned up to see the rest of it blown up while having a few songs and so on.
    Lord Sutch wrote:

    Maybe in a more apt thread,

    If only I could predict the winners of horse races and other sporting competitions as easily.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98988084&postcount=432


  • #449
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I have respect for people whatever their views but in this thread we've seen people saying that "British rule" trumps happiness or quality of life of the people.

    Some serious serious nuts in this thread. Just to say I live in England and NEVER hear nuts like this. A lot actually realise colonialism wasn't a great thing worldwide.

    Don't let these one line wonders convince you that British people are anything as mentally challenged as them.


  • #450
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Soviet-eque concrete carbuncles,

    you mean liberty house , Home of SIPTU. hey republicans , we have a new target ......only kidding, only kidding


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  • #451
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    I looked a lot better than the Soviet-eque concrete carbuncles, glass boxes of offices and gerry-built housing estates that no fcuker wants to live in put up since.

    ....fairly sure they aren't in the middle of O'Connell street.


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