UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

BoardsMember wrote: »

Why didn't Diaz knock the face off him when he had him on the ground? With McGregor was completely at his mercy, he seemed to give him the easiest/softest option to tap out. And why did he tap out so quickly?

Jiu Jitsu based fighters use striking as a means to forcing an opponent to make a mistake, thus allowing them to attempt a sub on an exposed joint or neck.

Conor tapped quickly because the choke was sunk in perfectly. When you see fighters resisting what appears to be a choke for a long period of time, its only because the choke is not fully ''in'' and they may be able to resist by turning their head or some other defense.

Lot of people are saying he ''tapped too quick'' or ''he should have let himself be put to sleep like Holly did''. Bull****. No one who has ever been choked out or been close to being choked out would ever criticise him for it.

John_D80 wrote: »

Never thought I'd be extolling Conor's virtues to Gamebred of all people. Strange days!!

Conor is far and away the better and more complete fighter of the two. I'm a huge fan of both guys and have loved watching Nate fight since he first appeared on TUF 5 but Conor was easily the main architect of his own demise.

I definitely agree that if he was hunting points instead of a TKO he would have done better. It was Conor's total lack of gameplan that led to his defeat more than anything else. A calculated gameplan could have seen Conor decimate Diaz slowly over the course of 3 or four rounds and there is no doubt in my mind that if he had been patient he could have gotten the legit stoppage that he was hunting so furiously, too early on. McGregor believed too much in his own hype and just didn't give Diaz the respect that he deserved.

Where I disagree with you though is that IMO Conor remains the better all-round fighter of the two. A rematch (at any weight) would be a very different fight and very different result.

"More complete fighter" Better jitz? Better grappling? Better cardio? Conor has more KO power but the striking adv is up for debate.

Just to put things in perspective, I think if RDA adopted a similar game plan against Nate he would have also lost.

Every fight doesn't have to a highlight reel finish, his domination of Holloway was brilliant.

Conor is a smart bloke, he will realise the errors and fix them I'm sure.

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

Brilliant article in the times by Ewan MacKenna

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/irishnews/sport/article4706878.ece?shareToken=c247a354694a98b3ac2bd7f75c9794dc

Meh, Ewan Mackenna hates everything. Good writer but he's so begrudging and miserable

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

What could ever make you think this?

Diaz out boxed Conor... without his left hand he has nothing. How do you think Conor would go the distance when he gassed in the 1st round here, gassed in the 2nd against Mendes and has never even fought a 5 round fight.

Diaz has Conor beat in every aspect, striking, ground game, cardio, mentality.

At 155 plus whatever after weigh-in McGregor would have roughly 15lbs less mass .......he mightn't be as hampered by the extra bulk, he's never fought with that much weight ........or he might be just not as good at this weight anyway, we'll have to wait and see

John_D80 wrote: »

You lost me at Ewan McKenna.

He has probably had that article written and waiting in the wings since the last time he got burned by John Kavanagh.

How he ever got anything published in a paper like The Times is beyond me.

words like deity, mean he is in the broadsheets even when the article is red top tripe. When did he fight bums below him in the rankings to "pad" his record. People were giving out a few years ago that he was going up too fast ffs.

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You see this is why some people get annoyed about the large influx of MMA 'Fans' to the message boards , yes everyone is welcome and everyone has an opinion.

However , saying thing's like using BJJ to finish a fight is an illegal move like punching someone in the groin (Which is an illegal move actually) is just down right stupidity in terms of MMA and well...general fighting.

Most people agree Conor has done great thing's in terms of increasing the sports appeal and revenue, but more than anyone that has opened the door for him to be critizised even more. He did not save the sport either , there are a number of brilliant fighters in the UFC and general MMA world.

Most of the people here giving opinions on him and the fight are simply doing what Conor does 'Telling it like it is'. It isn't that we want him to fail or be beaten or kicked while he's down , we don't , well I don't anyway. I want him to rise above it , get better , come back...but until then were free to comment on the fight and glaring holes in his game that need to improve in order to be a truly great fighter.

Were Conor's family at the show?