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  • #32
    Talula123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭Talula123


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    Am I alone in thinking these incidents must be very rare? Who goes to the bother of doing this in the highly unlikely event that the end result is sex with the victim? Surely a cheesy chat-up line has a greater chance of success with much lower risk. Maybe I'm naive.

    People don't just spike drinks to rape the victim although its a pretty common reason, some people are just scumbags and do it for kicks.


  • #33
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Drugs are, for the most part;
    a) hard to get
    b) expensive
    c) most of the more easily obtained powder/crystalline drugs that would dissolve in a drink would make you more hyper and alert rather than making you plain black out


  • #34
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    OP, I know you've contacted the Guards, but have you also contacted the bar / pub?
    They may have CCTV and you may not be the only one this fecker tried to spike that night... or he could be there frequently.


  • #35
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    Am I alone in thinking these incidents must be very rare? Who goes to the bother of doing this in the highly unlikely event that the end result is sex with the victim? Surely a cheesy chat-up line has a greater chance of success with much lower risk. Maybe I'm naive.
    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Purely anecdotal from my own experience, in the vast majority of cases where a drink was spiked, it was done by a member of the victim's own circle of friends, or at the very least someone that was well known to them, either for a 'laugh' or revenge for some grievance or other.
    Even just from knowing who people are and what they do, it's most likely someone that the victim knows doing it for kicks, or even just some idiot out to be an asshole, rather than someone watching from the shadows and waiting to strike.

    I remember years back out sailing in Cobh as a kid and one of the guys running the boat discussing the Pfizer plant, talking about how a friend got a job there when they started making Viagra and came home with a baggie of the pills in his pocket. So they crushed 4 up, put them into one of their friend's drinks and then didn't hear from him for 3 days afterwards.

    Of course he was laughing about it, in hindsight it's a scumbag thing to do. But the kind of people who do this stuff don't think of it like that. "It's just a prank, bro".


  • #36
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    seamus wrote: »
    Even just from knowing who people are and what they do, it's most likely someone that the victim knows doing it for kicks, or even just some idiot out to be an asshole, rather than someone watching from the shadows and waiting to strike.

    I remember years back out sailing in Cobh as a kid and one of the guys running the boat discussing the Pfizer plant, talking about how a friend got a job there when they started making Viagra and came home with a baggie of the pills in his pocket. So they crushed 4 up, put them into one of their friend's drinks and then didn't hear from him for 3 days afterwards.

    Of course he was laughing about it, in hindsight it's a scumbag thing to do. But the kind of people who do this stuff don't think of it like that. "It's just a prank, bro".
    That's ****ty, the victim could have died if he had a heart condition.
    What a scumbag.
    (I knew someone in college who admitted he had been regularly putting the female contraceptive pill in a male "friend"s drink, "for the fun" and to "see what would happen')


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  • #37
    Under_Graduate
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Under_Graduate


    I agree.

    You gotta be super vigilant

    The last thing some poor gal needs is to end up getting Cosby'd

    Mod-User banned. Discussion of ruffies/date rape is not allowed.


  • #38
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    When I was working in clubs it was every other week I was approached to be told that someone had their drink spiked and unfortunately the vast majority of times it just turned out they were langers. (I'm not trying to cast aspersions on the OP here either by the way, they could well have been spiked.)

    I think the change in drink culture amongst young people is a big part of it. People tend to drink at home more and in the case of women they often drink wine and spirits. However, instead of pub measures they are pouring their own, for example vodka and lemonade in a pint glass (75-100mls a pop) or massive glasses of white wine. Often this is done while getting ready, perhaps after not having eaten much or sometimes anything at all. After a an hour or two they've drank a large amount of alcohol in a short space of time and it starts to hit them once they've got in the club (often after ordering a rake of shots upon arrival.)

    Next thing you know the story is: "we were only here for half an hour and had a couple of drinks and now xyz is passing out."

    Similarly alcohol is a drug that can have different effects at different times. Sometimes a person can drink three pints and be battered after it while other times the same amount will be negligible. Unfortunately in Ireland many people take no responsibility for their alcohol consumption or the effects of drinking a lot.


  • #39
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    A friend of mine was spiked a few years ago. She's not a big drinker, so whoever spiked her spiked her 2nd drink of the night. She was like a rag doll. It was terrifying to watch. She was completely non responsive. All we could do was bring her home to her mother and get her to help us (us having a lot more drink than her). It'd a despicable thing to do for anyone. She wasn't right for days.


  • #40
    Under_Graduate
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Under_Graduate


    Take care about guys that make you laugh whilst buying you a drink.

    Be especially careful of them dudes.


  • #41
    armaghlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    I went to the Gaeltacht when I was 14 and the Fear an Tí was a bit of a **** to us so we spiked his tea with laxatives.


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  • #42
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Candie wrote: »
    The most common drug to spike a drink with is alcohol. Buying doubles or triples instead of a single with the intention of getting people very drunk, or putting an extra shot in a glass surreptitiously is more common than something like GBH, but it's still spiking.

    This is true. And people are then dismissed by folk saying "ah they just had to much to drink and are making excuses."


  • #43
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    kneemos wrote: »
    Doctor on the radio quite a while ago talking about it . Apparently it's very rare for anything to be found in the blood apart from a shoitload of alcohol.
    Obviously not in your case but many claims of spiked drinks are a case of several too many.

    Yep, it's a terrible thing and it does happen, but a lot of the time it's just people getting hammered.


  • #44
    Badly Drunk Boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,422 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I doubt people do it thinking it'll result in them getting sex. Id say its more to see people falling all over the club or getting kicked out etc, just causing misery for the sake of it, like people who make internet viruses or something along those lines.

    I agree. I think my drink must have been spiked a few years ago on a stag night with some friends (and a few lads I didn't know). I'm a sturdy 6'5" so it'd be hilarious to spike my drink, wouldn't it?

    The night was going along as normal, having the usual type and amount of drink I normally would, but as the night went on, I got really paranoid. I met a lad I went to school with, and talked for a bit before going back to the lads I came with. But then, I became convinced that the school-friend was going to kill (literally!) the friend whose stag it was. This feeling got more intense until I became convinced that he was going to kill ME!

    The next thing I know, I'm freezing, walking down a little street and not knowing where I was. Then I copped on which town I was in and headed back towards the nightclub that I had been in. The bouncer wouldn't let me in, but it turns out they had kicked me out for hitting one of the lads in the stag party. I had only met him that night for the first time, but had gotten on well with him.

    I'm not a violent person, and was never in a fight before or since, and because of my size, I've never needed to. Because of the paranoia and the violence, I reckon my drink must have been spiked, because it was so out of character, and because I was almost sober when my friends came out so I don't think it could have been the alcohol.


  • #45
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Re the Dr Kerr that was prosecuted for assaults, GBH which the article called the rape drug it's actually a recreational drug that a doctor would have access to.
    Without proof that someone else administered it to her I'd have my suspicions

    http://m.derryjournal.com/news/courts/doctor-convicted-of-assaulting-police-officers-1-6703925

    I just read this she was a trainee anesthesologist which would be the correct department to access GBH


  • #46
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Tigger wrote: »
    Re the Dr Kerr that was prosecuted for assaults, GBH which the article called the rape drug it's actually a recreational drug that a doctor would have access to.
    Without proof that someone else administered it to her I'd have my suspicions
    Without proof that someone else administered it to her
    make it sound like it involves a lot of effort or something

    "social experiment" yokie but anyway in broad daylight :



  • #47
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    This is true. And people are then dismissed by folk saying "ah they just had to much to drink and are making excuses."


    They don't know when they're drunk and keep drinking?
    Smacks of an excuse.


  • #48
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    I remember on one of my birthdays in my mid 20s, we had just moved into a new apartment and decided to have people over as a housewarming / birthday bash instead of going out. I had three bottles of beer, opened them all myself and they wouldn't have ever left my hand, and then I passed out on the couch at about 10:30. Completely comatose, party going on around me, people were trying to wake me up, but couldn't. I have vague recollections of my girlfriend and one of my friends dragging me into bed, draped over their shoulders, and then nothing until I woke up in bed, fully dressed, in the morning.

    Alcohol can do really weird things to you sometimes for no apparent reason.


  • #49
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Tigger wrote: »
    Re the Dr Kerr that was prosecuted for assaults, GBH which the article called the rape drug it's actually a recreational drug that a doctor would have access to.
    Without proof that someone else administered it to her I'd have my suspicions

    http://m.derryjournal.com/news/courts/doctor-convicted-of-assaulting-police-officers-1-6703925

    I just read this she was a trainee anesthesologist which would be the correct department to access GBH

    She dropped her appeal as far as I can gather


  • #50
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    I remember on one of my birthdays in my mid 20s, we had just moved into a new apartment and decided to have people over as a housewarming / birthday bash instead of going out. I had three bottles of beer, opened them all myself and they wouldn't have ever left my hand, and then I passed out on the couch at about 10:30. Completely comatose, party going on around me, people were trying to wake me up, but couldn't. I have vague recollections of my girlfriend and one of my friends dragging me into bed, draped over their shoulders, and then nothing until I woke up in bed, fully dressed, in the morning.

    Alcohol can do really weird things to you sometimes for no apparent reason.


    Similar has happened me a couple of times,incredibly tired and just want to sleep after a couple of drinks.Would have sworn on oath there was something in the drinks but there couldn't have been.


  • #51
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    She dropped her appeal as far as I can gather
    If I'd been spiked with something and then been prosecuted for my inoxicatated behaviour I'd not back down
    i sure she realised that if someone put 2+2 together that she'd be in trouble
    Calling GBH a rape drug is like calling bicardi a rape drug


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  • #52
    Tipperary Fairy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭Tipperary Fairy


    Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »
    A friend of mine was spiked a few years ago. She's not a big drinker, so whoever spiked her spiked her 2nd drink of the night. She was like a rag doll. It was terrifying to watch. She was completely non responsive. All we could do was bring her home to her mother and get her to help us (us having a lot more drink than her). It'd a despicable thing to do for anyone. She wasn't right for days.

    Why didn't you take her to the hospital?


  • #53
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    gctest50 wrote: »
    make it sound like it involves a lot of effort or something

    "social experiment" yokie but anyway in broad daylight :


    GBH is not common to get unless you work as an anesthesiologist
    GBH gets you high
    People take drugs to get high


  • #54
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Tipperary Fairy wrote: »
    Why didn't you take her to the hospital?

    Because as in all these stories there is no blood test to show spiking


  • #55
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Tigger wrote: »
    GBH is not common to get unless you work as an anesthesiologist
    GBH gets you high
    People take drugs to get high

    Also wouldn't be the first lot of doctors to "party to the max", the last lot misplaced;) a child


  • #56
    armaghlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    Tigger wrote: »
    Re the Dr Kerr that was prosecuted for assaults, GBH which the article called the rape drug it's actually a recreational drug that a doctor would have access to.
    Without proof that someone else administered it to her I'd have my suspicions

    http://m.derryjournal.com/news/courts/doctor-convicted-of-assaulting-police-officers-1-6703925

    I just read this she was a trainee anesthesologist which would be the correct department to access GBH
    Why would a doctor knowingly take that substance if they were aware of the side effects? She was on a staff night out so I would be just as suspicious of her colleagues.


  • #57
    Tipperary Fairy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭Tipperary Fairy


    Tigger wrote: »
    Because as in all these stories there is no blood test to show spiking

    Oh so you were on this night out too? Didn't realise. But you assume that I was saying it so she could have been tested, where as I actually meant if she was in such a bad state. I know if I saw someone in that state like that, I'd be bringing them to a hospital.


  • #58
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    armaghlad wrote: »
    Why would a doctor knowingly take that substance if they were aware of the side effects? She was on a staff night out so I would be just as suspicious of her colleagues.

    If she didn't take it herself she also be suspicious of the colleuges
    I'd say they all took it


  • #59
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    kneemos wrote: »
    They don't know when they're drunk and keep drinking?
    Smacks of an excuse.

    Look at it this way.

    If someone is giving them spiked cocktails (say with 5 shots instead of the 2 they're expecting). They could have drunk two of these before the effects start to hit them but at that point they've had 10 shots, 6 more than they thought they were having.

    At that point they're already far drunker than they've made an informed decision to be.

    But much like your post, people simply dismiss it as an excuse.



    Think of the difference between drinking four pints and ten pints. After four pints I'm drunk but totally functional and not going to get into trouble. After ten I'd be a total mess. Now if someone made me think I was only having four pints but gave me the alcoholic equivalent of ten would you still blame me and say I was juts making an excuse or would you blame the person who was slipping me the extra booze?


  • #60
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Tipperary Fairy wrote: »
    Oh so you were on this night out too? Didn't realise. But you assume that I was saying it so she could have been tested, where as I actually meant if she was in such a bad state. I know if I saw someone in that state like that, I'd be bringing them to a hospital.

    If you bring someone to a hospital and they are out of it they do a blood test
    To see what they're on


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  • #61
    armaghlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    Tigger wrote: »
    If she didn't take it herself she also be suspicious of the colleuges
    I'd say they all took it
    Yes but why would she go for a blood test then if she knew it would show up GBH which would probably weaken her case?


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