UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 12:41AM

Ido Portal has forgotten more than you boys will ever know about the human frame,movement and combat.

threeball · 07-03-2016 12:41AM

LaGlisse wrote: »

Yeah,he's gonna have to eat some humble pie and deal with a loss of status \ bargaining power, could actually end up a lot more interesting to watch than what was mapped out. Still think his FW defence will do huge numbers.

It'll do the numbers cos people will want to see if he falls further. Next fight now becomes a pressure fight as another loss sees the public write him off and uncle Dana will become an abusive stepfather.

Subcomandante Marcos · 07-03-2016 12:44AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Ido Portal has forgotten more than you boys will ever know about the human frame,movement and combat.

Ah yes, with his degree in codology from the university of crocodile walks, his years of experience as a clinical pool noodle poker and wrestling his way into his yoga pants.

floorpie · 07-03-2016 12:44AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Ido Portal has forgotten more than you boys will ever know about the human frame,movement and combat.

Ugh why you do dis.

7oakse · 07-03-2016 12:45AM

Big McGregor fan. I think he is super te
Talented, and in agreeing to fight Nate at 170 showed a lot of bottle.

However, I think his grappling / wresting is weak as proven by his skirmish with Nate and the Mendes fight. Granted Nate is BJJ wizard, and chad is a quality wrestler that Conor eventually put away.

To improve he needs to leave SBG. Nate continually made the point that he is battle hardened because of the people he trains with, and Conor isn't because he trains with nobody. The use the term nobody is harsh but possibly fair in comparison to Nates teammates.

Kavanagh can't take him to the next level. As has been said, a Firas could or he could go all #209 on us and go train with Nate and the scrap pack.

Not taking anything away from what has been achieved at SBG.. But there is a ceiling in terms of what you can learn from one person, and what you get from training partners... Particularly those of the quality Conor is currently training with.

Tigger · 07-03-2016 12:47AM

We just hit 100 separate posters that voted on the poll after the result that Nate wins by sub
I for one think that's kinda special

Den_M · 07-03-2016 12:48AM

Tigger wrote: »

We just hit 100 separate posters that voted on the poll after the result that Nate wins by sub
I for one think that's kinda special

Why isn't the flippin thing deactivated soon after the fight has ended. anyone voting after the event should either be named and shamed or banned for a month

threeball · 07-03-2016 12:49AM

floorpie wrote: »

I just have to lol at people saying SBG or JK or Roddy aren't good enough for Conor. He's the featherweight champion! He demolished Aldo! That didn't happen by fluke, and I can assure you that it didn't simply happen due to Conor's innate ability.

I've also watched the fight again and I'm more impressed with Conor's striking at the start of the second round than I was earlier. I feel like he didn't get his range right in the first, and by the time he did, he was gassed.

Unless there was something I didn't catch in the fight (knees etc), I think he gassed due to bulking. He didn't fight with much more intensity than he always does, and his kicks looked laboured. I don't know why he didn't work the teep at all?

Either way, Ido has to go. It's ridiculously cringey.

Don't buy the bulking thing tbh. He was intending to go up 10 lbs before do anjos injury. There's no way he added more than 4 to 5 lbs of muscle and end up making the cut as horrendous as it was at 45. Maybe he had a ****ty diet but it couldn't have been bulking

Subcomandante Marcos · 07-03-2016 12:49AM

Anyone who doesn't admit that having Artem as his main sparring partner is not going to help him improve needs to really think about what they're saying.

Artem is made from the same **** as wolverines claws, but he's extremely limited.

Besides Gunnar and *maybe* Paddy, who at SGB is fighting at an elite level?

He needs to either draft in higher level training partners like GSP did when he wans't happy with what was available in Montreal (which Conor can easily afford to do), or he need to maybe do half a camp in Dublin and the other half at an AKA or a JacksonWink or similar.

floorpie · 07-03-2016 12:50AM

7oakse wrote: »

Big McGregor fan. I think he is super te
Talented, and in agreeing to fight Nate at 170 showed a lot of bottle.

However, I think his grappling / wresting is weak as proven by his skirmish with Nate and the Mendes fight. Granted Nate is BJJ wizard, and chad is a quality wrestler that Conor eventually put away.

To improve he needs to leave SBG. Nate continually made the point that he is battle hardened because of the people he trains with, and Conor isn't because he trains with nobody. The use the term nobody is harsh but possibly fair in comparison to Nates teammates.

Kavanagh can't take him to the next level. As has been said, a Firas could or he could go all #209 on us and go train with Nate and the scrap pack.

Not taking anything away from what has been achieved at SBG.. But there is a ceiling in terms of what you can learn from one person, and what you get from training partners... Particularly those of the quality Conor is currently training with.

You realise that he's currently the featherweight champion? There's no higher place to go than his current position...

I can accept the criticisms of Americans towards SBG today, but I'm surprised that on an Irish forum people aren't aware of the level of BJJ of his teammates? Their rank, ADCC records etc.

I'm certain that McGregor's ground game is truly excellent, and I'm also certain that almost everybody would make poor decisions on the ground when they're half unconscious from exchanges on the feet

WarZ · 07-03-2016 12:51AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Ido Portal has forgotten more than you boys will ever know about the human frame,movement and combat.

It is worse than I first assumed. Jesus Christ.

Tigger · 07-03-2016 12:53AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't admit that having Artem as his main sparring partner is not going to help him improve needs to really think about what they're saying.

Artem is made from the same **** as wolverines claws, but he's extremely limited.

Besides Gunnar and *maybe* Paddy, who at SGB is fighting at an elite level?

He needs to either draft in higher level training partners like GSP did when he wans't happy with what was available in Montreal (which Conor can easily afford to do), or he need to maybe do half a camp in Dublin and the other half at an AKA or a JacksonWink or similar.

I agree
Artem is like sparring with a punchbag that might hit you with a lump hammer every so often
It won't build the kind of skills he needs

floorpie · 07-03-2016 12:53AM

threeball wrote: »

Don't buy the bulking thing tbh. He was intending to go up 10 lbs before do anjos injury. There's no way he added more than 4 to 5 lbs of muscle and end up making the cut as horrendous as it was at 45. Maybe he had a ****ty diet but it couldn't have been bulking

So why did he gas? You don't think he's less fit than someone like Nate, surely.

I know he was intending to go up in weight, but he did it way too fast. It's not like you put on weight and bam, you're the same level fitness you were before but heavier. Your cardiovascular system and skeleton and muscles need time to get used to the weight.

He did it way too fast imo. I don't know whether that's a poor coaching choice or just Conor taking risks, but he didn't gas from a higher striking volume than usual, I know that much.

Martypants1 · 07-03-2016 12:53AM

The posts about Conor being classy and being gracious in defeat are such ****e. What's he gonna do? Come out and say he should have won the fight?

The important things he said were before the fight where he bad mouthed Nate, making him out to be a retard. Well sorry Conor but the "retard" made you quit. I don't think Conor was able to count to 10 after Nates arms were locked around McGregors neck.

LaGlisse · 07-03-2016 12:54AM

floorpie wrote: »

You realise that he's currently the featherweight champion? There's no higher place to go than his current position...

I can accept the criticisms of Americans towards SBG today, but I'm surprised that on an Irish forum people aren't aware of the level of BJJ of his teammates? Their rank, ADCC records etc.

I'm certain that McGregor's ground game is truly excellent, and I'm also certain that almost everybody would make poor decisions on the ground when they're half unconscious from exchanges on the feet

Yeah loss had f all to do with ground game
He A. thought he could eat all the shots from Nate
B. gassed himself going for the ultimate knockout GIF
Its pretty frustrating to think that he had a win in him for this fight with a more mature game plan,I'm sure of it. That's gonna eat at him

floorpie · 07-03-2016 12:56AM

LaGlisse wrote: »

Yeah loss had f all to do with ground game
He A. thought he could eat all the shots from Nate
B. gassed himself going for the ultimate knockout GIF
Its pretty frustrating to think that he had a win in him for this fight with a more mature game plan,I'm sure of it. That's gonna eat at him

I sort of agree with B but on A, I think he only started eating shots when he was f'd on his feet and simply couldn't defend. Up to that point his head movement was excellent, except he couldn't get in range to strike consistently.

mdwexford · 07-03-2016 01:04AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

The posts about Conor being classy and being gracious in defeat are such ****e. What's he gonna do? Come out and say he should have won the fight?

The important things he said were before the fight where he bad mouthed Nate, making him out to be a retard. Well sorry Conor but the "retard" made you quit. I don't think Conor was able to count to 10 after Nates arms were locked around McGregors neck.

Aldo money still stinging you eh.

threeball · 07-03-2016 01:04AM

floorpie wrote: »

So why did he gas? You don't think he's less fit than someone like Nate, surely.

I know he was intending to go up in weight, but he did it way too fast. It's not like you put on weight and bam, you're the same level fitness you were before but heavier. Your cardiovascular system and skeleton and muscles need time to get used to the weight.

He did it way too fast imo. I don't know whether that's a poor coaching choice or just Conor taking risks, but he didn't gas from a higher striking volume than usual, I know that much.

You could put on 4 lbs of muscle in 2 to 3 weeks. That leaves 2 months to condition the body, not that a tiny amount of additional bulk would affect cardio at all and certainly not enough that he can't make it into the second round.
I don't know where the problem lay, maybe his cardio was never that good cos he was living off a one round game plan.

Mr Blobby · 07-03-2016 01:05AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

The posts about Conor being classy and being gracious in defeat are such ****e. What's he gonna do? Come out and say he should have won the fight?

The important things he said were before the fight where he bad mouthed Nate, making him out to be a retard. Well sorry Conor but the "retard" made you quit. I don't think Conor was able to count to 10 after Nates arms were locked around McGregors neck.

Wells that a load of ****.
You obviously didn't see the way some past champions/contenders have acted after recent losses. Unlike Aldo,Mendes,Ronda,Hendricks who have done nothing but bitch and moan over recent losses Conner handled himself very well.

Also everything said before a fight can be mostly put down to hype or (in diaz terms) Wolf tickets.
Especially in Connor's case..

Mr Blobby · 07-03-2016 01:09AM

threeball wrote: »

You could put on 4 lbs of muscle in 2 to 3 weeks. That leaves 2 months to condition the body, not that a tiny amount of additional bulk would affect cardio at all and certainly not enough that he can't make it into the second round.
I don't know where the problem lay, maybe his cardio was never that good cos he was living off a one round game plan.

:pac:
There's no way you could get 4 lbs of lean muscle in that small amount of time.
Any weight gained over a two week period would most likely be a mix of water + fat.

floorpie · 07-03-2016 01:09AM

threeball wrote: »

You could put on 4 lbs of muscle in 2 to 3 weeks. That leaves 2 months to condition the body, not that a tiny amount of additional bulk would affect cardio at all and certainly not enough that he can't make it into the second round.
I don't know where the problem lay, maybe his cardio was never that good cos he was living off a one round game plan.

No way can you put on legit muscle that fast! Bodybuilders would aim for 1lb a week at a max, and that's without doing hours of cardio a day. He went from a very lean 145lb to a fairly lean 170lb...that's a lot of extra bulk and not a lot of time to get used to it.

I really can't imagine that he had a one round game plan, I just think something funny happened when adrenaline got involved with his added weight. Either way, something went wrong with his gas. He said he was "inefficient with energy", but we've seen Conor strike with as much volume and ferocity before and he looked fresh as a daisy.

7oakse · 07-03-2016 01:10AM

floorpie wrote: »

You realise that he's currently the featherweight champion? There's no higher place to go than his current position...

I can accept the criticisms of Americans towards SBG today, but I'm surprised that on an Irish forum people aren't aware of the level of BJJ of his teammates? Their rank, ADCC records etc.

I'm certain that McGregor's ground game is truly excellent, and I'm also certain that almost everybody would make poor decisions on the ground when they're half unconscious from exchanges on the feet

I understand that, and I also realize that he is training with legit people.

But I personally find it hard to believe that he wouldn't benefit from going somewhere like Alphamale (obvs would never happen) where he could learn from and work with the likes of Faber / Mendes / Kampmann.

Variety is important. So many fighters work with a couple of gyms. I just think he could benefit hugely.

TimRiggins · 07-03-2016 01:12AM

If Nick and Nate aren't on the UFC 209 card it will be a huge huge shame.

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 01:12AM

Faber Mendes and Kampmann and the rest of team alpha fail are a garbage team absolutely stupid suggestion,a camp of 5ft nothing midgets aint gonna help him do nothing.

threeball · 07-03-2016 01:19AM

7oakse wrote: »

I understand that, and I also realize that he is training with legit people.

But I personally find it hard to believe that he wouldn't benefit from going somewhere like Alphamale (obvs would never happen) where he could learn from and work with the likes of Faber / Mendes / Kampmann.

Variety is important. So many fighters work with a couple of gyms. I just think he could benefit hugely.

Conor has alienated so many people few would want him and those that did would have plenty of guys looking to lay down a marker. His mouth has backed him into a corner where he has beefs with people there was no advantage in antagonising well above him in weight. There might be no friends in the fight game but you don't need everyone as an enemy either

threeball · 07-03-2016 01:22AM

floorpie wrote: »

No way can you put on legit muscle that fast! Bodybuilders would aim for 1lb a week at a max, and that's without doing hours of cardio a day. He went from a very lean 145lb to a fairly lean 170lb...that's a lot of extra bulk and not a lot of time to get used to it.

I really can't imagine that he had a one round game plan, I just think something funny happened when adrenaline got involved with his added weight. Either way, something went wrong with his gas. He said he was "inefficient with energy", but we've seen Conor strike with as much volume and ferocity before and he looked fresh as a daisy.

90% of that weight gain was water and body fat. Very little additional mass was added. Anyway only one or two men know the answer and they sure as he'll won't be telling us

Tilikum · 07-03-2016 01:22AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Faber Mendes and Kampmann and the rest of team alpha fail are a garbage team absolutely stupid suggestion,a camp of 5ft nothing midgets aint gonna help him do nothing.

Don't dis the 5ft midgets, McGregor has gotten to where he is today by beating those kind of fighters.

Diaz said it himself.

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 01:28AM

Tilikum wrote: »

Don't dis the 5ft midgets, McGregor has gotten to where he is today by beating those kind of fighters.

Diaz said it himself.

Exactly ''beating them,why join them they have nothing to offer him,

Conor will be fine you dont clear out a division by fluke,once frankie is ko'd he will go down as the fw goat with everybody not just me.

TimRiggins · 07-03-2016 01:35AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Faber Mendes and Kampmann and the rest of team alpha fail are a garbage team absolutely stupid suggestion,a camp of 5ft nothing midgets aint gonna help him do nothing.

While I don't think McGregor should leave SBGi or join AlphaMale, That comment is absolute garbage. Faber and Mendes are in the top 3/4 of their divisions, go back to Sherdog.

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 01:39AM

TimRiggins wrote: »

While I don't think McGregor should leave SBGi or join AlphaMale, That comment is absolute garbage. Faber and Mendes are in the top 3/4 of their divisions, go back to Sherdog.

They offer Conor zilch,2 nobodies who will never get near a ufc title unless hell freezes over,

Both are 2 of the biggest chokers in the game.

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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