Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

DoctaDee · 05-03-2016 12:31PM

A bit of a foggy memory here but didn't Kilkenny take the frees Minor & U21 ? .. world of a difference I know but just a throw away opinion ..

ProudDUB · 05-03-2016 03:37PM

Stoner wrote: »

I'd agree with that , think he did it last year in a game too, was doing well off one foot then switched to the other needlessly.
I don't like him taking frees either. Too much riding on him then. If he got sent off we'd be screwed.
If Cluxton got his form of three years ago back it would be my favourite choice from what I've seen.
I think O'Gara will take Rocks place.
Wouldn't mind Bernard on the short frees.
I don't know enough about Costello to know if he's consistent.
Certainly if you wanted to get into that forward line , being a good free taker would get you over the line.
Ideally we'd have an outfield free taker

I'm one of O'Gara's biggest cheerleaders here, but I think time may be running out for him, if he wants to nail down a starting jersey in the summer. He hasn't played a game yet and there is no sign of him returning, like being named on the subs bench. I think I've seen mid April being mentioned as his scheduled return date. That just leaves the league semi final and final for him to make an impression, if we make it that far.

I think we all agree that Paddy Andrews and Berno's spots are nailed on, presuming they stay healthy. So that only leaves the one spot up for grabs, if Deano loses the starting jersey. I'm having a hard time seeing O'Gara leap frog over all of Kev Mc, Cormac Costello, Paul Mannion, as well as Deano himself, if he has only played a couple of league games.

If he comes back as scheduled, I can see him being on the bench during the summer. He's a great impact sub to bring on, if we need a tough as nails, battering ram in the last 20 minutes of a really hard fought game.

LostBoy101 · 05-03-2016 04:52PM

Hey folks is there a good chance I'll be able to purchase a ticket at the match. I know there are always ticket booths floating around and if I leave in good time for the hurling shall I be in a good shout?

Gael85 · 05-03-2016 05:21PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

A bit of a foggy memory here but didn't Kilkenny take the frees Minor & U21 ? .. world of a difference I know but just a throw away opinion ..

Kilkenny took frees at minor/u21 from the hands but I wouldn't trust him his kicking technique now

. Berno and Connolly are hit and miss on the frees. One thing Rock is a dead cert on frees inside 30-40 yards though not consistent on 45s. Costello and Shane Carthy from Naomh Mearnog could be option on frees long term.

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-03-2016 06:25PM

Great first half so far from the hurlers, second goal was fantastic

Stoner · 05-03-2016 07:04PM

Gael85 wrote:

Shane Carthy from Naomh Mearnog could be option on frees long term.

Definitely Carthy anyway , he's handy

Bret Hart · 05-03-2016 07:29PM

Brilliant display from the hurlers at HQ,footballers to make it a double please.

Bret Hart · 05-03-2016 08:41PM

As poor a half I've seen for some time. Can't see us turning it around.

80s Child · 05-03-2016 08:48PM

Is there anywhere I can listen to the game online?

Bret Hart · 05-03-2016 09:39PM

Bret Hart wrote: »

As poor a half I've seen for some time. Can't see us turning it around.

The jinxing worked

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Bret Hart · 05-03-2016 10:02PM

Absolutely brilliant second half display from the boys,McCarthy,Costello and Connolly in particular where brilliant. When he's on song there's not a better player to watch in the country then Connolly. He makes things look so easy. Savage doesn't fill me with much confidence if anything was too happen to Stephen. He's very poor under the high ball and it showed in the second half,by almost giving away a cheap third goal too Cork,that would have killed Dublin's comeback in it's tracks. Other then that flaw in his game,he looks a ok back up.

05-03-2016 10:28PM

If Cork ever find a goalkeeper who can actually kick a ball past the 45 they might just have a team there. They must be the most consistent under performers in Gaelic Football.

McCarthy has been on a different level this year through the league though. Powerhouse when he moves into the middle.

ProudDUB · 05-03-2016 10:44PM

Jack gone for the year. Going to Africa. Gavin confirmed it after the game.

Well, there's my buzz from tonights games well and truly gone.

corny · 05-03-2016 11:07PM

Good wins alright.

I like the way the hurlers are playing at the minute. Cunningham has his detractors, perhaps with good reason, but we look well drilled in attack and defence. Helps that we have players with serious pace now, something Dalys team didn't really have.

We might lose individually to better teams as the season drags on but i can see us being competitive at least.

I wasn't panicked in the football. It was obvious we were playing at walking pace and there had to be plenty left. Once we pushed up on Cork and committed more men to the attack they found it hard to get out of their half. Cork played well though. Far better than i thought they would.

Delighted for Costello. Rock not taking over the frees has to be a big vote of confidence for him. Eric Lowndes and Emmet O' Conghaile did nothing to stake a claim. Lowndes looked lost and players ghosted passed O' Conghaile with ease. Has to improve in the tackle if he wants to play midfield.

corny · 05-03-2016 11:07PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Jack gone for the year. Going to Africa. Gavin confirmed it after the game.

Well, there's my buzz from tonights games well and truly gone.

****.

Bret Hart · 05-03-2016 11:08PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Jack gone for the year. Going to Africa. Gavin confirmed it after the game.

Well, there's my buzz from tonights games well and truly gone.

Likewise.I think a double whiskey is needed,it'll soften the blow for now.

gormdubhgorm · 05-03-2016 11:36PM

Ah would house stop lads the wing back areas and the forwards are two areas of the team where we are spolit for choice.

gormdubhgorm · 05-03-2016 11:39PM

80s Child wrote: »

Is there anywhere I can listen to the game online?

I know it is a bit late now. But for future reference I always check near fm90.3 and Dublin city FM stations.

gormdubhgorm · 05-03-2016 11:42PM

corny wrote: »

Out of his hands? If yeah then i agree. He's very capable out of hand. Sometimes from distance too.

Off the ground is another matter entirely though. Someone can correct me here but didn't he spend a national league campaign (3 or 4 years ago) showing us how ****e he was, right and left, off the ground? I've never seen him strike through the ball with any fluency off the ground. He's certainly no Bryan Sheehan anyway!;)

Looks like Costello has it sorted! After today serious threat to rock. Plus Costello better in general play. Did you notice how rock was only allowed one free and Costello was the main taker at the end even when rock was on the pitch?

corny · 06-03-2016 12:28AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Looks like Costello has it sorted! After today serious threat to rock. Plus Costello better in general play. Did you notice how rock was only allowed one free and Costello was the main taker at the end even when rock was on the pitch?

Ha ha. Yeah and Connolly scored one 45 on the ground and one 50 metre free with the outside of his boot......Sure what do i know.;)

Bonniedog · 06-03-2016 01:54AM

Great comeback by the footballers. They are an awesome spectacle when they shake themselves up!

Prize of the night has to go to the hurlers all the same.

Stoner · 06-03-2016 02:03AM

Happy with the second half.
Very disappointed with the first half display. The young lads in midfield had disappointing games and struggled to win or carry the ball.
McCarthy continues to impress in the middle.
Shane Cathy did well too. All the second half subs were necessary.
Cork have some big lads , they looked good when the ball was dropped into the back line, but they fell apart when the Dublin players ran at them, they were lucky not to pick up more bookings imo. Costello was great. Kilkenny won some great ball, he'd put some poor passes together in the first half but he grew into the game. I though O'Sullivans passing was suspect sometimes.
Thought the cork goals were a worry , particularly the second one, that ball should never have been let into the square.
ROC was badly missed tonight.
So was MDMA until McCarthy gave a demo of winning and ball carrying.

ProudDUB · 06-03-2016 02:17AM

Just after watching the replay on Setanta there. Jesus, were we woeful in the first half or what? I wonder did we take Cork for granted, what with their getting their arses handed to them on a platter last week. The first half was utterly forgettable. The Dermo/Berno combo for the goal, was a thing of utter beauty, but the other 34 minutes were utterly forgettable. Great heart and grit shown for the come back though. CC, stand up and take a bow, my son. If I was Dean Rock, I'd be seriously worried right now. Didn't understand the point of bringing him on to replace Berno. CC was already motoring on the frees, so what was the point there?

Am a bit worried about Cooper. Very ill disciplined, yet again. Just as he was last year. No lessons seem to have been learned, which is a pity. Disappointed that none of the "new" crew staked a claim tonight, other than CC. But to be honest, I think it's a shame that it took until game 4 of the 2016 league for Gavin to be playing so many of them. They should have been getting game time long before now, to find their feet in Croke Park. They are the future. I'd gladly sacrifice a league title in 2014, 2015 & 2016, if it means that Eric Lowndes, Shane Carthy, CC, Emmet O'Conaigle etc etc are all game ready and battle hardened for 2017, 2018, 2019 and beyond.

What can you say about James McCarthy? I bow down before his greatness !!!!

corny · 06-03-2016 03:51AM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Disappointed that none of the "new" crew staked a claim tonight, other than CC. But to be honest, I think it's a shame that it took until game 4 of the 2016 league for Gavin to be playing so many of them. They should have been getting game time long before now, to find their feet in Croke Park. They are the future. I'd gladly sacrifice a league title in 2014, 2015 & 2016, if it means that Eric Lowndes, Shane Carthy, CC, Emmet O'Conaigle etc etc are all game ready and battle hardened for 2017, 2018, 2019 and beyond.

Rewarding youth and not performance is something i have a big problem with. Its up to them to force their way into the side. David Byrne, John Small and Brian Fenton are proof that, despite being young and inexperienced, if you perform you can get involved.

Lowndes, O' Conghaile, Carthy and the likes have had way more chances than David Byrne but are not doing enough to merit inclusion. Worse, Lowndes and O' Conghaile probably set themselves back this evening. May sound cruel but thats the way it should be too. The moment it stops being meritocratic the squad goes backwards imo.

Bonniedog · 06-03-2016 12:24PM

I wonder are Dean Rock's days numbered? Costello was excellent from frees that really turned the screw on Cork as well as good from general play. Rock ended a brilliant move by blasting the ball into an empty Nally terrace. On such things might the jersey hang! Good to see the competition all the same. They were like a pack of ravenous wolves when they started to click last night.

There were Cork people in front of me and during one of the Dublin attacks one of the kids was on his feet clapping and got dirty look from his mother! They do have that kind of effect when they are on a roll :-)

Have to say too that Cork football supporters are a sound and intensely loyal bunch. There are not many of them but they can't be faulted for loyalty and passion. Remind me a bit of Dub hurling supporters in fact.

Stoner · 06-03-2016 01:47PM

ProudDUB wrote:

Am a bit worried about Cooper. Very ill disciplined, yet again. Just as he was last year. No lessons seem to have been learned, which is a pity. Disappointed that none of the "new" crew staked a claim tonight, other than CC.

Cooper now has a nice reputation for himself. Did he finish a championship game last year ?
I'm a fan if his as a corner back out ahead of his man. He should either pipe down a bit or do a night class in ventriloquism.
Our starting midfield couldn't compete with the cork lads.
McCarthys progression to midfield with McCaffery off for the summer is creating a need to develop the half back line. It's potentially looking like losing three all star defenders counting ROC.
So O'Sullivan would start at 6 but Small and Daly would want to get as much play as possible.
I think the real losers as you say would be the younger bunch. MDMA was made for that game last night. It was the sort of game he'd come on as a sub and turn things around and win his starting position back, we were lucky McCarthy has the size and strength for the roll.
Thought Kilkenny showed well last night too.
Overall I though Rock was an improvement for Brogan, he came out the field as bit more. But brogan needs lads to bring the ball into him a bit more and the lads were not capable of doing that last night until the second half. I do think that O'Gara will take his spot ultimately, maybe not this year. Think Costello played well but he's not a 14 he would have his hands full keeping mannion out of the team from a general play point of view . I think what we are saying is that if anyone can take frees that rocks position is in trouble.
Overall IMO he was a very useful impact sub in the half forward line. With Alan brogan gone I still think Rock has a lot to offer, he is a very good long distance kicker IMO.

I still don't think that's a poor Cork side. I think with the right direction they would be a serious side.

ProudDUB · 06-03-2016 03:16PM

corny wrote: »

Rewarding youth and not performance is something i have a big problem with. Its up to them to force their way into the side. David Byrne, John Small and Brian Fenton are proof that, despite being young and inexperienced, if you perform you can get involved.

Lowndes, O' Conghaile, Carthy and the likes have had way more chances than David Byrne but are not doing enough to merit inclusion. Worse, Lowndes and O' Conghaile probably set themselves back this evening. May sound cruel but thats the way it should be too. The moment it stops being meritocratic the squad goes backwards imo.

I'm not saying for a second that lads should be played, just because they are young. But how else are they to force their way into the side, if they aren't getting game time? Form on the training pitch will only tell you so much. They need a good run of games, to show what they can do. When was the last time any of them got a good run of Spring games to do that?

Against Monaghan, we started 10 lads who featured in the AI final. Deano, Jamesy and Philly (God, they sound like a boy band, don't they?

)all played in the first O'Byrne Cup game down in Enniscorthy on the 3rd of January. That's madness imo. How else are we to find the next Brian Fenton, if they are all sitting on the bench, while lads who have AI medals in their back pockets, are hoovering up all the game time in January, February & March? There is a balance to be struck between blooding newer lad and giving the established players a good run out. Last nights starting selection hit it perfectly for me.

We are a cert to make the semi finals now, so I'd like to see some more experimentation in the next three games. I've no time for this "laying down a marker" stuff. Any win or loss we rack up against Down, Roscommon or Donegal, won't mean a thing come August & September.

Stoner · 06-03-2016 04:47PM

We were saying here, what's the point playing Bastic in the O'Byrne cup. Obviously Fenton was injured, but McCarthy was played in midfield in that competition too, that's fine IMO worked well yesterday and its relatively new to him, I know he's played there before and he does for his club, but it's more strategic now, but the lads did get a start yesterday, we can't roll back the clock, we should be sorted for a couple of games now and hopefully they'll get a run and impress.

Kavrocks · 06-03-2016 09:00PM

The first yellow Cooper got you can clearly see in the replays Kerrigan was holding his hand. To be disappointed in him is a bit harsh.

The hurlers on the otherhand were fantastic for the 50 mins from the 10th to the 60th minute. Bar the Tipperary game we've had some very rock solid performances.

I would have been heavily against Ger Cunningham last year but he seems to be doing really well with the guys so far this year and having met him briefly this year he's a nice guy. His game plan is very interesting to see and some players are really performing well under him. All the Cuala lads bar Mark Schutte have been in flying form. We'd be in relegation trouble without them! Onwards and upwards heading to Waterford next. 2 more points will have us playing Division 1A hurling next year which is the main thing at this time of the year!

Stoner · 06-03-2016 09:16PM

Kavrocks wrote:

The first yellow Cooper got you can clearly see in the replays Kerrigan was holding his hand. To be disappointed in him is a bit harsh.

That's what I mean about having a reputation, these things can go against you, we've already seen McMahon getting no favours

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