Off Topic Thread too point uh

rsh118 · 06-03-2016 11:26AM

Can we rewind 2016 in Irish sport and start again?

Pink Fairy · 06-03-2016 11:28AM

At least now people will give up on the hype of this nonsport......will just leave this here and go back to my test channel

rsh118 · 06-03-2016 11:32AM

MMA is very similar to most fighting sports. You get excited in the build up and caught up in the hype, but when it's actually on it is almost ALWAYS a disappointment.

They just never fulfil what they promise. Usually by the end, it's only the hardcore technical fans who are getting a stiffy by the end of an MMA match.

Pink Fairy · 06-03-2016 11:36AM

rsh118 wrote: »

MMA is very similar to most fighting sports. You get excited in the build up and caught up in the hype, but when it's actually on it is almost ALWAYS a disappointment.

They just never fulfil what they promise. Usually by the end, it's only the hardcore technical fans who are getting a stiffy by the end of an MMA match.

Does that include the women's fights?

irishbucsfan · 06-03-2016 11:40AM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

At least now people will give up on the hype of this nonsport......will just leave this here and go back to my test channel

Excluding Mayweather-Pac, last night is reportedly the biggest combat sport event (in terms of sales) since 2013. Pretty big accomplishment for them.

Will be interesting to see how the 200th one goes. It won't be Mayweather-Pac but it would be interesting if they pushed 2 million buys, which would put it up there. It would be the first ppv fighting event to ever do that that didn't include Mayweather (not even Tyson did it). They're certainly making a nice bit of money for themselves, for a non-sport.

rsh118 · 06-03-2016 11:41AM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Does that include the women's fights?

That just brings the stiffy forward for the realllly technical experts. I just love how every move and hold has a name. But literally WWE is way more entertaining. That should be the name of a thread. WWE is far more fun to watch.

In the same way that a really well written TV show such as Fair City is much more interesting than Big Brother.

irishbucsfan · 06-03-2016 11:42AM

rsh118 wrote: »

MMA is very similar to most fighting sports. You get excited in the build up and caught up in the hype, but when it's actually on it is almost ALWAYS a disappointment.

They just never fulfil what they promise. Usually by the end, it's only the hardcore technical fans who are getting a stiffy by the end of an MMA match.

The main events in recent times have been exactly the opposite of that!

rsh118 · 06-03-2016 11:45AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The main events in recent times have been exactly the opposite of that!

I'd say opposite is a bit generous. The story lines have just got better with the fighters breaking kayfabe a lot less. It still relies on 'surprise' results for a lot of the interest.

I'd say it will improve though as it remains professional for longer. Right now, results seem to be pretty random.

irishbucsfan · 06-03-2016 11:54AM

rsh118 wrote: »

I'd say opposite is a bit generous. The story lines have just got better with the fighters breaking kayfabe a lot less. It still relies on 'surprise' results for a lot of the interest.

I'd say it will improve though as it remains professional for longer. Right now, results seem to be pretty random.

I would say the opposite again. There have been some very entertaining fights recently. And it's not been reliant on surprises at all.

UFC 189, knockouts in both main events (favourites won both fights, the co-main event between McDonald and Lawler considered one of the best ever)
UFC 190, first round knockout in the main event (Champion retained belt)
191 and 192 less exciting (both decisions)
UFC 193, 2nd round knockout (Rousey de-throned with a head kick)
UFC 194, knockouts in both main events (middleweight title retained, Mcgregor becomes champ)
UFC 195 not too much to write home about
UFC 196 was last night, both main events were upsets but nothing too shocking.

In reality they're not technical or boring fights (the undercards are sometimes, other times provide highlights) and most of the time there's nothing hugely surprising going on.

rsh118 · 06-03-2016 12:00PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I would say the opposite again. There have been some very entertaining fights recently. And it's not been reliant on surprises at all.

UFC 189, knockouts in both main events (favourites won both fights, the co-main event between McDonald and Lawler considered one of the best ever)
UFC 190, first round knockout in the main event (Champion retained belt)
191 and 192 less exciting (both decisions)
UFC 193, 2nd round knockout (Rousey de-throned with a head kick)
UFC 194, knockouts in both main events (middleweight title retained, Mcgregor becomes champ)
UFC 195 not too much to write home about
UFC 196 was last night, both main events were upsets but nothing too shocking.

In reality they're not technical or boring fights (the undercards are sometimes, other times provide highlights) and most of the time there's nothing hugely surprising going on.

I should add that the Aldo match was incredible, and one which was worth staying up for.

I just think MMA has a lot of promise as a no holds barred combat sport, but fails to deliver often because it's not like the highlights reals (a very 21st century complaint).

I still think it needs time to mature, like, I do feel that there are a few clear cut extremely good fights and athletes at the tops of the divisions, but a lot of what's beneath is dross.

Still better than the snorefest with dodgy judging/home town advantage that is professional boxing. It can be really awful!

Guy:Incognito · 06-03-2016 12:24PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Excluding Mayweather-Pac, last night is reportedly the biggest combat sport event (in terms of sales) since 2013. Pretty big accomplishment for them.
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What are the other big combat sport events since 2013? Have there been many with mass market appeal?

awec · 06-03-2016 12:24PM

I guess he'll cut back down to feather weight and continue to beat guys who are all much smaller than him again now.

Always found his pantomime act to be grating, hopefully that'll be shelved now at least.

Scythica · 06-03-2016 12:50PM

He isn't a natural featherweight right? So was moving up to 170 his more natural position or in reality is he more of a 155 and overstretched?

Buer · 06-03-2016 01:08PM

170 is his normal weight. It's not his fighting weight at all.

He was undone by his arrogance. That sort of jump was going to be far harder than made out. He went from fighting guys the same height as him to facing a 6ft guy last night who was well used to being hit by guys stronger than McGregor.

06-03-2016 01:14PM

Buer wrote: »

170 is his normal weight. It's not his fighting weight at all.

He was undone by his arrogance. That sort of jump was going to be far harder than made out. He went from fighting guys the same height as him to facing a 6ft guy last night who was well used to being hit by guys stronger than McGregor.

I know he was bloodied but Diaz never really looking in trouble from the shots McGregor landed. Diaz then really wobbled McGregor when he landed his shots and that was the end of it.

Pink Fairy · 06-03-2016 01:23PM

It was a stupid fight, if I or any boxer tried to do that, without going up the weights naturally, the fight wouldn't have been allowed happen.
Tis daft

06-03-2016 01:30PM

Sky Mango Tux wrote: »

I know he was bloodied but Diaz never really looking in trouble from the shots McGregor landed. Diaz then really wobbled McGregor when he landed his shots and that was the end of it.

McGregor was hurting Diaz, just not enough. I thought McGregor was over confident personally. He was throwing wild kicks and moving around the ring a lot. I don't doubt he could last the pace, but I think he needed to be a bit more conservative and he was relying on his evasiveness without actually guarding himself that well against a taller boxer.

Good few times in the first round I thought he was in control only for him to get clipped because he wasn't accounting for nor expecting Diaz to counter when he'd gotten some punishment.

McGregor looked very much on top until around 90 seconds into the second when he got absolutely rocked by a double left. Fight was effectively over from there, McGregor never recovered from the daze.

06-03-2016 01:36PM

On a separate note, anyone watching House of Cards?

Am on episode 5:

Thought it turgidly picked up where the disappointing season 3 finished off. But a couple of episodes in it turns on it's head and really gets going. Excited to see where things go.

awec · 06-03-2016 01:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

McGregor was hurting Diaz, just not enough. I thought McGregor was over confident personally. He was throwing wild kicks and moving around the ring a lot. I don't doubt he could last the pace, but I think he needed to be a bit more conservative and he was relying on his evasiveness without actually guarding himself that well against a taller boxer.

Good few times in the first round I thought he was in control only for him to get clipped because he wasn't accounting for nor expecting Diaz to counter when he'd gotten some punishment.

McGregor looked very much on top until around 90 seconds into the second when he got absolutely rocked by a double left. Fight was effectively over from there, McGregor never recovered from the daze.

I dunno. Don't watch the sport but watched this fight this morning and I wouldn't say he was hurting Diaz. Diaz seemed well in control and happy for McGregor to tire himself out. Don't think McGregor has enough beef to do damage to these guys. Diaz i assume is used to taking punches from much more powerful guys than McGregor too.

What's Diaz record like btw?

06-03-2016 01:49PM

awec wrote: »

I dunno. Don't watch the sport but watched this fight this morning and I wouldn't say he was hurting Diaz. Diaz seemed well in control and happy for McGregor to tire himself out. Don't think McGregor has enough beef to do damage to these guys. Diaz i assume is used to taking punches from much more powerful guys than McGregor too.

What's Diaz record like btw?

Diaz has lost a good few fights, but he normally loses on points, he has never been properly knocked out and only TKO'd once.

Bolded - McGregor basically said this exact thing after the fight.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 06-03-2016 02:04PM

At least McGregor was humble enough in defeat. Not humble enough to not call himself humble in defeat, but still...

06-03-2016 02:23PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

At least McGregor was humble enough in defeat. Not humble enough to not call himself humble in defeat, but still...

He never gloats after his fights.

Everything he says before a fight is designed to sell PPV and generate publicity for the fight.

Tox56 · 06-03-2016 03:57PM

awec wrote: »

I guess he'll cut back down to feather weight and continue to beat guys who are all much smaller than him again now.

Always found his pantomime act to be grating, hopefully that'll be shelved now at least.

He cuts a lot of weight but he isn't as enormous for featherweight as people make out, Poirier and Holloway were both as big or bigger than him and he outclassed both of them, and there would be many fighters in the division taller than him.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 06-03-2016 04:01PM

Don't suppose anyone is watching the Kerry v Donegal game? A football match keeps interrupting the wrestling. 2 red cards, 2 black, and it's not even half time.

awec · 06-03-2016 04:03PM

Tox56 wrote: »

He cuts a lot of weight but he isn't as enormous for featherweight as people make out, Poirier and Holloway were both as big or bigger than him and he outclassed both of them, and there would be many fighters in the division taller than him.

I assume he'll cut back down to 145 for his next fight though to reduce the risk of two losses in a row as much as possible?

Pudsy33 · 06-03-2016 04:08PM

awec wrote: »

I assume he'll cut back down to 145 for his next fight though to reduce the risk of two losses in a row as much as possible?

He will probably have to defend his 145 belt next anyways.

wp_rathead · 06-03-2016 05:46PM

Be against Edgar or Aldo ye think

Tox56 · 06-03-2016 06:54PM

awec wrote: »

I assume he'll cut back down to 145 for his next fight though to reduce the risk of two losses in a row as much as possible?

If he drops to 145 he's fighting either Edgar or Aldo. He'll have the size advantage but he's fighting the absolute best in the world, if his options are that vs vacating the 145 belt and taking a mid tier fighter at 155, the latter is probably better from the 'avoid 2 losses in a row' perspective. It also seems like he's done with the whole extreme cut thing

06-03-2016 07:19PM

McGregor could easily lose to Aldo yet

Hagz · 06-03-2016 07:49PM

I am a complete and utter McGregor fanboy. The man can do no wrong in my eyes.

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