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Nelson's Pillar

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  • #92
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Fair play to the IRA for blowing that heap of imperialist sh1te up


  • #93
    jungleman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jungleman


    maryishere wrote: »
    But its not in O'Connell st. A historic viewing platform in O'Connell st would be visually much better than whats there now, and would contribute millions to the economy annually, which could go to the homeless or some other charity of your choice.
    Its a wonder you are not arguing for the blowing up of Guinness too because of its history.

    You don't need a viewing platform in O' Connell St to see that it's an absolute dump.


  • #94
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Fair play to the IRA for blowing that heap of imperialist sh1te up

    You think that was better than keeping something which was a historical monument, something which many Dublins liked andv something which was a tourist attraction / viewing platform ....and something which could be worth up to 20 million annually to Dublin?

    If you were a homeless person, do you think you would like to be housed by some of that revenue?


  • #95
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Fair play to the IRA for blowing that heap of imperialist sh1te up

    IRA U Akbar!!
    According to the Taliban’s foreign minister, “We do admit the relics were the cultural heritage of Afghanistan, but the part that contradicts our Islamic beliefs we would not like to have them anymore“.


  • #96
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    maryishere wrote: »
    You think that was better than keeping something which was a historical monument, something which many Dublins liked andv something which was a tourist attraction / viewing platform ....and something which could be worth up to 20 million annually to Dublin?

    If you were a homeless person, do you think you would like to be housed by some of that revenue?

    I'd probably give you a serious answer if you weren't Arlene Foster 2.0


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  • #97
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    jungleman wrote: »
    You don't need a viewing platform in O' Connell St to see that it's an absolute dump.

    It is now without it, the rot set in when it was blown up. It was a fine street when the British ran it. The widest capital street in Europe I think. Fine shops and hotels then, not like now, with its fast food, crime and druggies.


  • #98
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    maryishere wrote: »
    But its not in O'Connell st. A historic viewing platform in O'Connell st would be visually much better than whats there now, and would contribute millions to the economy annually, which could go to the homeless or some other charity of your choice.
    Its a wonder you are not arguing for the blowing up of Guinness too because of its history.

    Why? Arthur Guinness was a brewer and a employer. He never blew up anybody with explosives. Nelson was a glorified pirate who blown up plenty of people. His statue had it coming

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #99
    diomed
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Would you have been against Nelson being replaced with Patrick Pearse or some other figure that symbolises Irish resistance to the British regime?
    Who called you names?
    Patrick Pearse went around Rathmines dressed in women's clothes, so I wouldn't be a fan.
    Why do we need someone that symbolises resistance to the British regime? My world does not revolve around anti-British thoughts. To me they are just another European country, long gone for here.


  • #100
    Titzon Toast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    The cast iron gates from Nelson's Pillar are currently sitting in the courtyard of the pumping station down in Ringsend if anyone is interested.


  • #101
    foggy_lad
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Dun Laoghaire pier serves a purpose, as does the GPO and Customs House

    What purpose does a monument to a foreign colonist serve?

    Keeps the pigeon poop off the streets and people:D


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  • #102
    The_Valeyard
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    By that definition Brittany is a colony of France, Galicia a colony of Spain, Cornwall a colony of England, California a colony of the US, Yakaterinburg a colony of Russia. You see how silly it sounds when applied to a single landmass?

    But people who don't think about it instinctively think what happened to Ireland is different because we're an island.

    I wonder did you fail history with that post. There is a reason I spent a good boring chunk of 2nd year history learning about 'plantations' from an historian who wrote actually history books. It was a plantation when it came to Ireland. You ate taking other examples and using them out of context.


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
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    maryishere wrote: »
    It is now without it, the rot set in when it was blown up. It was a fine street when the British ran it. The widest capital street in Europe I think. Fine shops and hotels then, not like now, with its fast food, crime and druggies.
    In 1911 Dublin had the worst housing conditions of any city in the United Kingdom. Its extensive slums were not limited to the back-streets or to impoverished ghettos. By 1911 the city slums also incorporated great Georgian houses on previously fashionable streets and squares. As the wealthy moved to the suburbs over the course of the 19th century, their huge, red-brick buildings were abandoned to the rent-paying poor. Tenements in inner-city Dublin were filthy, overcrowded, disease-ridden, teeming with malnourished children and very much at odds with the elite world of colonial and middle-class Dublin.

    ..Alongside the cattle on many of those boats were emigrants leaving a country unable to offer even the possibilities of a basic existence. Some were Dubliners, many were from the Irish countryside and were merely passing through the city, certain in the knowledge that there was simply no work available to them. Behind them they left the brutal reality of daily life for tens of thousands who lived in tenement slums, starved into ill-health, begging on the fringes of society. In parts, Dublin was incredibly poor. A notoriously high death-rate was attributable, at least in part, to the fact that 33% of all families lived in one-roomed accommodation. The slums of Dublin were the worst in the United Kingdom, dark, disease-ridden and largely ignored by those who prospered in other parts of the city.

    This was the Dublin the British ran


  • #104
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    diomed wrote: »
    Why do we need someone that symbolises resistance to the British regime?

    It would be fitting that a British imperialist was replaced by an Irish revolutionary.
    My world does not revolve around anti-British thoughts.

    Oh so not wanting a statue of a British Imperialist to have pride-of-place in our capital's main thoroughfare is 'anti-British'? Gotcha.

    I guess the Polish removing statues of Stalin was anti-Russian? Get a grip of yourself man.


  • #105
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    buried wrote: »
    Why? Arthur Guinness was a brewer and a employer.

    Nelson was a Navy officer and hundreds of Dubliners worked under him. His navy was the navy of these islands. All European countries at the time had navies. Do not forget Spain, Italy, France, Holland etc had colonies and navies too.
    buried wrote: »
    He (Guinness ) never blew up anybody with explosives.
    I never said he did. Hower I am surpised you advocated blowing up part of Dublins heritage such as the Pillar, while you do not criticize Arthur Guinness.
    Arthur Guinness was born into the Protestant Guinness family, part of the Anglo-Irish aristrocracy. According to history, the Guinness family were Irish Unionists and Arthur Guinness accepted the system, with Arthur "directly opposed to any movement toward Irish independence" and wanting "Ireland to remain under English control". Not unusual for the time. Of course Guinness is different now.


  • #106
    timthumbni
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    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Fair play to the IRA for blowing that heap of imperialist sh1te up

    Yes... If only the IRA had stuck to blowing up statues then we may have been ok. Unfortunately they went on to blowing up kids outside a McDonald's.

    The Provos really, really liked to bomb.


  • #107
    maryishere
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    This was the Dublin the British ran

    There were slums in all cities in the world in 1911. Nobody ever said Dublin was perfect, far from it. However relatively speaking O'Connell street was better then than it is now, despite all the EC grants we got, the IMF bailout, the 200 billion we borrowed etc


  • #108
    The Golden Miller
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    timthumbni wrote: »
    Yes... If only the IRA had stuck to blowing up statues then we may have been ok. Unfortunately they went on to blowing up kids outside a McDonald's.

    The Provos really, really liked to bomb.

    Should we do a death count of your British Army hero's?


  • #109
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    maryishere wrote: »
    There were slums in all cities in the world in 1911. Nobody ever said Dublin was perfect, far from it. However relatively speaking O'Connell street was better then than it is now, despite all the EC grants we got, the IMF bailout, the 200 billion we borrowed etc

    Ah well, as long as one particular street looked aesthetically good then we can safely say the Brits done a great job over here. Kudos to them


  • #110
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    maryishere wrote: »
    hundreds of Dubliners worked under him.

    Who gives a shit? What has that got to do with anything?
    His navy was the navy of these islands.

    'These islands'. The British Navy showed its true colours when it shelled Dublin City centre killing many civilians in 1916. They could have been civilised and put the question of independence to the Irish people but they chose instead to wreck the place, murder revolutionaries and imprison hundreds of people who dared to stand up to their regime.


  • #111
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    maryishere wrote: »
    Nelson was a Navy officer and hundreds of Dubliners worked under him. His navy was the navy of these islands. All European countries at the time had navies. Do not forget Spain, Italy, France, Holland etc had colonies and navies too.


    I never said he did. Hower I am surpised you advocated blowing up part of Dublins heritage such as the Pillar, while you do not criticize Arthur Guinness.
    Arthur Guinness was born into the Protestant Guinness family, part of the Anglo-Irish aristrocracy. According to history, the Guinness family were Irish Unionists and Arthur Guinness accepted the system, with Arthur "directly opposed to any movement toward Irish independence" and wanting "Ireland to remain under English control". Not unusual for the time. Of course Guinness is different now.

    So is The Republic of Ireland, a fact that really seems to grind your poor gears

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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  • #112
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,735 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    maryishere wrote: »
    There were slums in all cities in the world in 1911. Nobody ever said Dublin was perfect, far from it. However relatively speaking O'Connell street was better then than it is now, despite all the EC grants we got, the IMF bailout, the 200 billion we borrowed etc
    200 billion what? 200 billion? What? Who are the EC?


  • #113
    [Deleted User]
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    maryishere wrote: »
    There were slums in all cities in the world in 1911. Nobody ever said Dublin was perfect, far from it. However relatively speaking O'Connell street was better then than it is now, despite all the EC grants we got, the IMF bailout, the 200 billion we borrowed etc
    Relatively speaking? One of the worst cities in the world for poverty and child mortality and all you are interested in is comparing how the main street looks, it seems like your thought process is fairly well aligned with that of the people who made Dublin what it was back then


  • #114
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Who gives a shit? What has that got to do with anything? .

    Up to a third of the navy of these islands was Irish. I was just replying to someone who wrote that "Arthur Guinness was a brewer and a employer.". A lot more Irish people worked in the Navy than ever worked in Guinnesses. Not surprising there was such admiration for Nelson after Trafalgar, a famous victorious battle.


  • #115
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Who are the EC?

    the lads who came after the EEC. y'know the people who gave us all the money in the 70's, 80, 90's, noughties etc.


  • #116
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Relatively speaking? One of the worst cities in the world for poverty and child mortality and all you are interested in is comparing how the main street looks, it seems like your thought process is fairly well aligned with that of the people who made Dublin what it was back then

    Dublin is one of the worst cities in the world for poverty and child mortality???

    Are you serious?


  • #117
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Relatively speaking? One of the worst cities in the world for poverty and child mortality
    in the world? care to give your source?


  • #118
    buried
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Up to a third of the navy of these islands was Irish. I was just replying to someone who wrote that "Arthur Guinness was a brewer and a employer.". A lot more Irish people worked in the Navy than ever worked in Guinnesses. Not surprising there was such admiration for Nelson after Trafalgar, a famous victorious battle.

    You don't work in the Navy, you serve in it. And in those times those doing the service were served the glorious "work" of being nothing but cannon fodder. At least the Guinness workers got to go home every evening

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #119
    maryishere
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    buried wrote: »
    You don't work in the Navy, you serve in it. And in those times those doing the service were served the glorious "work" of being nothing but cannon fodder. At least the Guinness workers got to go home every evening
    It does not matter, it was still employment, and there are plenty of jobs in the world where you do not get to go home to your mammy each evening.

    Does it touch a raw nerve that so many of the good men under Nelson were Irish?

    Do not worry about it, since Nelsons time many hundreds of thousands of Irish men volunteered to work in the British forces, far more than too part in the Rising. How about some parity of esteem for all our dead ancestors?


  • #120
    Junkyard Tom
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Up to a third of the navy of these islands was Irish.

    Yeah because Ireland was seriously underdeveloped under the British regime. There wasn't a lot jobs outside agriculture with the industrial revolution largely passing us by. Don't mistake putting bread on the table, or seeking adventure, with allegiance.

    One of Ireland's most proficient fighters during the war of independence against the British and their proxies, Tom Barry, was the son of an RIC man, served in the British Army, and fought in WWI.

    Five years after fighting in the British army he was training IRA men on how to kill them.


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  • #121
    [Deleted User]
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    maryishere wrote: »
    in the world? care to give your source?
    Dear, Dirty Dublin: A City in Distress, 1899-1916,

    The death rates for children under 5 years were equally striking, - over 290 per 1,000 when most other cities approached the more acceptable level of 250 per 1,000


    ..In every aspect of mortality, Dublin in the last quarter of the ninteenth century held the unenviable record of being first among major towns and cities of Britain and Ireland. Indeed from Berlin to Brussels, from Rome to Stockholm and from Philadelphia to Boston,the death rates in major cities rarely exceeded those in the Irish capital


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