Do You think that any Conspiracy Theories hold water?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-03-2016 06:31AM #1

There are two which I think are plausibile. The obvious one is the JFK assassination. The Zapruder film shows shots coming in from different angles, not consistent with the theory of the lone gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald.

The other is the fate of flight 93 during 911. The theory is that the US Air Force shot the plane down over barren land in Pennsylvania. Considering the time between the attacks it's plausible to suggest that they had scrambled jets to intercept the last hijacked airliner. The final destination of the hijacked craft was apparently Capitol Hill or the White House.

05-03-2016 06:53AM

Yep. The term "conspiracy theorist" is a pity because if you doubt one thing, you're in with the loonies.

Buona Fortuna · 05-03-2016 08:23AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The other is the fate of flight 93 during 911. The theory is that the US Air Force shot the plane down over barren land in Pennsylvania. Considering the time between the attacks it's plausible to suggest that they had scrambled jets to intercept the last hijacked airliner. The final destination of the hijacked craft was apparently Capitol Hill or the White House.

I had a hairdresser go on about that one. Felt I was trapped. If I said anything I'd end up with a basin cut. Seemed like the longest haircut in the world.

I don't like unhinged people operating sharp objects near my ears.

"Will I shave your neck."
Fock no - "No its grand so."

She didn't get a tip anyway

MarkAnthony · 05-03-2016 08:25AM

Loch Ness holds water.

Mint Aero · 05-03-2016 09:08AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The other is the fate of flight 93 during 911. The theory is that the US Air Force shot the plane down over barren land in Pennsylvania. Considering the time between the attacks it's plausible to suggest that they had scrambled jets to intercept the last hijacked airliner. The final destination of the hijacked craft was apparently Capitol Hill or the White House.

I had scrambled jets for breakfast

kneemos · 05-03-2016 09:33AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

There are two which I think are plausibile. The obvious one is the JFK assassination. The Zapruder film shows shots coming in from different angles, not consistent with the theory of the lone gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald.

The other is the fate of flight 93 during 911. The theory is that the US Air Force shot the plane down over barren land in Pennsylvania. Considering the time between the attacks it's plausible to suggest that they had scrambled jets to intercept the last hijacked airliner. The final destination of the hijacked craft was apparently Capitol Hill or the White House.

Thought the JFK one was pretty much proven to be Lee Harvey?
Somebody would have seen the explosion if they blew up the plane,plus debris for miles.

Menas · 05-03-2016 10:13AM

Speaking of JFK....I still cant belive that no one apart from me has made the link between him and Elvis.
It is well known that JFK was a bit mean to Marilyn Monroe - used and abused her.
Flash of light on the grassy knoll? That was Elvis's gold medalion. Elvis shot JFK in revenge for that JFK had done to Marilyn.
Evenually (1977) some one figured it out and Elvis faked his own death and is now living in a thatched cottage in Leitrim. I have seen him myself in a bar in Manorhamilton.

Stonedpilot · 05-03-2016 01:45PM

Conspiracy theory is a term used to label and dismiss anyone who doesn't believe our ever so honest government's. I don't believe half the official stories we are told I mean the media and Governments off the world have no obligation at all to tell us the truth, why would they?!?

So frankly I make up my own mind on What I think, not some spoon fed drivel from a bent government of lazy journalists printing said drivel from government's

kneemos · 05-03-2016 01:48PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Conspiracy theory is a term used to label and dismiss anyone who doesn't believe our ever so honest government's. I don't believe half the official stories we are told I mean the media and Governments off the world have no obligation at all to tell us the truth, why would they?!?

So frankly I make up my own mind on What I think, not some spoon fed drivel from a bent government of lazy journalists printing said drivel from government's

Yes Stonedpilot.You tell em.

HamsterFace · 05-03-2016 01:49PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Conspiracy theory is a term used to label and dismiss anyone who doesn't believe our ever so honest government's. I don't believe half the official stories we are told I mean the media and Governments off the world have no obligation at all to tell us the truth, why would they?!?

So frankly I make up my own mind on What I think, not some spoon fed drivel from a bent government of lazy journalists printing said drivel from government's

The thing is, governments and media are made up of normal people, the people you see around you. People aren't good at keeping secrets. Indeed, keeping secrets would usually be harder than the acts that are in question.

Buona Fortuna · 05-03-2016 01:54PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The other is the fate of flight 93 during 911. The theory is that the US Air Force shot the plane down over barren land in Pennsylvania. Considering the time between the attacks it's plausible to suggest that they had scrambled jets to intercept the last hijacked airliner. The final destination of the hijacked craft was apparently Capitol Hill or the White House.

This one again. I hope that they did shoot it down. At the time I was amazed that the strongest, best armed, country in the world didn't shoot it down - especially after the first one hit.

So what if they did shoot it down and then said - Look lads, we've got a PR disaster here, al-Quaeda is scoring all the points, so lets create some heroes.

If that's what happened it wouldn't be the first time.

Samaris · 05-03-2016 01:57PM

In general, I don't tend to believe most of the conspiracy theories. I can't actually think of one of the top of my head that I -do- believe, although I won't rule out that there might be some that seem to have more consistent answers than the official version.

Zaph · 05-03-2016 01:59PM

Menas wrote: »

Speaking of JFK....I still cant belive that no one apart from me has made the link between him and Elvis.
It is well known that JFK was a bit mean to Marilyn Monroe - used and abused her.
Flash of light on the grassy knoll? That was Elvis's gold medalion. Elvis shot JFK in revenge for that JFK had done to Marilyn.
Evenually (1977) some one figured it out and Elvis faked his own death and is now living in a thatched cottage in Leitrim. I have seen him myself in a bar in Manorhamilton.

You were doing so well up to the end. Everyone knows that Leitrim doesn't exist.

NIMAN · 05-03-2016 02:03PM

99% of them are absolute nonsense.

TerrorFirmer · 05-03-2016 03:28PM

There are some good ones but the Conspiracy Theories forum here on board is a must-visit for those days you need a good chuckle.

razorblunt · 05-03-2016 03:36PM

I don't believe the Pentagon incident on 9/11 was a plane, more likely a bomb.
I don't believe in the inside job theory but that never really added up for me.

KingMonkey · 05-03-2016 03:36PM

we landed on the moon! hey everybody we landed on the moon!! :pac:

Ice Maiden · 05-03-2016 03:39PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Conspiracy theory is a term used to label and dismiss anyone who doesn't believe our ever so honest government's. I don't believe half the official stories we are told I mean the media and Governments off the world have no obligation at all to tell us the truth, why would they?!?

So frankly I make up my own mind on What I think, not some spoon fed drivel from a bent government of lazy journalists printing said drivel from government's

Doesn't mean you're right though, or that the official version is spoonfed drivel.

I don't mind people feeling convinced by a plausible theory, but insisting it's the truth despite no hard evidence, and calling people who don't agree it's definitely the truth sheeple and demanding they wake up etc... credibility gone in my eyes.

Samaris · 05-03-2016 03:46PM

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Doesn't mean you're right though, or that the official version is spoonfed drivel.

I don't mind people feeling convinced by a plausible theory, but insisting it's the truth despite no hard evidence, and calling people who don't agree it's definitely the truth sheeple and demanding they wake up etc... credibility gone in my eyes.

There are definitely those that rail against the spoonfed drivel from "teh government" while being quite happy to accept the spoonfed drivel from a website that is the online version of what the man in the pub told me.

Skylinehead · 05-03-2016 03:55PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The other is the fate of flight 93 during 911. The theory is that the US Air Force shot the plane down over barren land in Pennsylvania. Considering the time between the attacks it's plausible to suggest that they had scrambled jets to intercept the last hijacked airliner. The final destination of the hijacked craft was apparently Capitol Hill or the White House.

What does the US gain from covering that up though? If a plane had shot it down, they might as well say that.

Flint Fredstone · 05-03-2016 03:57PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Conspiracy theory is a term used to label and dismiss anyone who doesn't believe our ever so honest government's. I don't believe half the official stories we are told I mean the media and Governments off the world have no obligation at all to tell us the truth, why would they?!?

So frankly I make up my own mind on What I think, not some spoon fed drivel from a bent government of lazy journalists printing said drivel from government's

You can believe in so called conspiracy theories without being a conspiracy nut.

The problem lies with the people that latch on to every big news story and look for something that goes against what the rest of the world believes to have happened.

Man goes mad in cinema and shoots a load of people - The guy must have had some serious mental issues?
No, no, no. The government planted some mind control trigger in the credits of the movie, they had been tracking him for months, planting seeds in his brain.
OK, see ya.

Buona Fortuna · 05-03-2016 04:25PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

What does the US gain from covering that up though? If a plane had shot it down, they might as well say that.

I think it looks worse on them that the biggest, best, most technologically advanced Air Force, with best comms, radar and intelligence in world - didn't shoot anything down.

Makes you wonder why have an air force if that's the case.

Zaph · 05-03-2016 04:53PM

razorblunt wrote: »

I don't believe the Pentagon incident on 9/11 was a plane, more likely a bomb.

I must tell my American friend whose brother was working in the Pentagon that day that his brother has been lying to him all these years so. How can any sane person actually state something as ludicrous as this?

Wabbit Ears · 05-03-2016 04:59PM

KingMonkey wrote: »

we landed on the moon! hey everybody we landed on the moon!! :pac:

This. How on earth can anyone believe we landed on the moon with the technology of the time?

ScumLord · 05-03-2016 05:00PM

The problem with most conspiracy theories is they start out as someone saying they don't believe the official narrative, then they come up with a theory on the spot, and collect "evidence" which they then construct into a narrative that suits their beliefs.

If you go down the 911 rabbit hole you'll end up looking at pictures of Obama standing in front of a curtain where the angle make the curtain look like horns behind Obama's head, which is then used as proof he's the devil and part of a world conspiracy.

I've found that most these theories are coming from fundamentalist crazy American christian groups, trying to twist current events into a narrative of the end times.

They ruin their own theories by just going to far with their assumptions. They use shaky science to prove their points and refuse to accept any science that goes against what they're saying. So it's really just a fantasy.

harry Bailey esq · 05-03-2016 05:03PM

I don't think that they hold water,sure if they did,we'd all have received bills for said water.

NIMAN · 05-03-2016 05:03PM

Some conspiracies are sensible, others are just plain stupid.

Examples:

1) Big Pharma's interests aren't in curing people but in making money. Elements of this are probably true and kept fuelled by such things as medical personnel getting bought cars and holidays to use a certain firms drugs.
2) The Earth is flat. Easily disproven yet some people still believe it. These people should really be committed.

Ice Maiden · 05-03-2016 05:06PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

This. How on earth can anyone believe we landed on the moon with the technology of the time?

That was the one ct I believed, but someone who has an open mind about alternative theories was able to convince me otherwise.

Samaris · 05-03-2016 05:10PM

I think it's a lot more likely that Americans landed on the moon than that they managed to keep a story on a scale like that going for fifty+ years.

cajonlardo · 05-03-2016 05:29PM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

I had a hairdresser go on about that one. Felt I was trapped. If I said anything I'd end up with a basin cut. Seemed like the longest haircut in the world.

I don't like unhinged people operating sharp objects near my ears.

"Will I shave your neck."
Fock no - "No its grand so."

She didn't get a tip anyway

There was a Barber down Quays in Dublin we used to call Mad Mick.
We only went to him because he hadn't increased his prices since the '60's - used to charge us 50p in the early 80's when a decent barber was charging a fiver. Problem was that he was actually certifiably insane. Mid hair cut he'd start talking to "the blessed Virgin" whom he believed he could see standing beside you.Not praying to her - an actual conversation. Oh, and the other thing I just remembered was homeless people walking in, stripping off and washing their arm pits in the sinks in his shop.
Stopped going in when he stuck the point of a scissors blade into the nape of a lads neck and the lad ran out screaming with blood spurting out of his neck.

diomed · 05-03-2016 05:39PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

This. How on earth can anyone believe we landed on the moon with the technology of the time?

Yeah. They didn't even have rockets. C'mon.

Do You think that any Conspiracy Theories hold water?

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