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  • #32
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    lazygal wrote: »
    Can the wimmins not do this too? #confused

    Even the ones who agree with him come in for a share of his wrath. Oh, by the way, isn't wrath one of those sinful things, too?


  • #33
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Even the ones who agree with him come in for a share of his wrath. Oh, by the way, isn't wrath one of those sinful things, too?

    One of the seven deadly sins I do believe. (well actually I don't "believe" but you get my drift.)


  • #34
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Even the ones who agree with him come in for a share of his wrath. Oh, by the way, isn't wrath one of those sinful things, too?

    Mortal or venal? Asking for a friend.


  • #35
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Stheno wrote: »
    One of the seven deadly sins I do believe. (well actually I don't "believe" but you get my drift.)

    Are there lists of less deadly sins at all?


  • #36
    steamengine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Even the ones who agree with him come in for a share of his wrath. Oh, by the way, isn't wrath one of those sinful things, too?

    No, God is allowed do wrath according to the bible.


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  • #37
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    This is fierce confusing. Can I be wrathful or not?


  • #38
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    lazygal wrote: »
    This is fierce confusing. Can I be wrathful or not?

    That depends. Are you a Christian or not?


  • #39
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Speedwell wrote: »
    That depends. Are you a Christian or not?

    I don't know. What should I be looking for to identify whether I am?


  • #40
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    lazygal wrote: »
    This is fierce confusing. Can I be wrathful or not?

    No you cannot be wrathful. However you can be angry.
    7. WRATH

    Wrath is wanting to hurt someone. It is not anger, which is normal and is really frustration and rebellion at being powerless. Wrath is wanting to cause pain, and being motivated by this to actually cause pain. A little bit, especially when driving, is okay. Carrying a weapon and firing at both the stupid and insane people driving near you isn't okay.


  • #41
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    lazygal wrote: »
    I don't know. What should I be looking for to identify whether I am?

    Well, the Reformed church I grew up in used to recite the Apostles' Creed. Then when I went to college, I joined a local Southern Baptist church where I was "born again" and "saved by faith". Then after I graduated, I used to go with my mother to her charismatic church where they thought that if you were a Christian, you would show "spiritual gifts" like speaking in tongues. I suppose that if you are really a Christian, you would be performing miracles in Jesus' name, just like he promised. Are you?


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  • #42
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Well, the Reformed church I grew up in used to recite the Apostles' Creed. Then when I went to college, I joined a local Southern Baptist church where I was "born again" and "saved by faith". Then after I graduated, I used to go with my mother to her charismatic church where they thought that if you were a Christian, you would show "spiritual gifts" like speaking in tongues. I suppose that if you are really a Christian, you would be performing miracles in Jesus' name, just like he promised. Are you?

    How do I know its a miracle? I made a balls of a chocolate cake recipe but it turned out perfect. Miracle?


  • #43
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    lazygal wrote: »
    How do I know its a miracle? I made a balls of a chocolate cake recipe but it turned out perfect. Miracle?

    Only God can create something perfect, as an Old Order Amish quilter once told me, as she explained why she purposely turned a single quilt block out of alignment on each quilt top she made. It occurred to me later that she evidently believed that if she didn't take care to purposely make her work imperfect, she would be in direct competition to the Lord. But I suppose that was just the Devil speaking in my ear.


  • #44
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    solodeogloria wrote: »
    Good evening!

    I think it's unfair to blame atheists for the nature of this forum. If we want the discussion on the forum to have a positive tone we need to set that. If we want to discuss the Gospel of our Lord Jesus let's do that.

    I'm enthused about that. However for that to happen denominational sniping needs to end. We can have robust discussion about the Reformation without resorting to shallow and ignorant presumptions. We can have robust debate about atheism without the discussion becoming inflamed.

    I believe Christians have a real obligation to show the love that Christ has to atheists. We can disagree but it shouldn't become nasty and rude. Irrespective of what you believe Christians do set the tone here. We can choose to see people as Jesus does or we can't.

    I'm hopeful and enthused to live for Jesus both offline and online. Will you join me? That means we've got to follow Jesus in everything rather than just abortion or gay marriage. It means we need to pray before posting and to ask Jesus to become more like Him daily.

    Are you in?

    Much thanks in Christ Jesus,
    solodeogloria

    God bless you but your new.
    You have no idea how angry and obsessed the ones who profess NOT to believe are with the people who DO believe
    It's non stop really
    Sure they're on this thread having a little chat amongst themselves
    Nobody's paying them any attention but that makes no difference
    It's funny really
    I've put some of the posts on my Facebook page over the years
    They get some lols!


  • #45
    The Chieftain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    lazygal wrote: »
    Can the wimmins not do this too? #confused

    Do you really want to reinforce the perception that "wimmins" (sic) are perpetually confused?


  • #46
    The Chieftain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    So lets see, 14 posts in a row, from those-who-cannot-be-named, having some sort of organized internal fun-fest. And hijacking this thread in the process. Earlier, one of the willfully blind asked for examples of what I complained of. Well here it is.


  • #47
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,157 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    MOD NOTE

    The topic of the thread seems to be an attempt to provide some feedback about perceived problems with the forum.

    If posters can't keep to the topic (and possibly try to be constructive at the same time), then there isn't much point in leaving the thread open.

    So do try to make use of the thread while you have the opportunity.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #48
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    Do you really want to reinforce the perception that "wimmins" (sic) are perpetually confused?

    Is that a perception?


  • #49
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    Because this forum isn't really about Christianity at this point, is it? It has been crowded out.

    How could it be crowded out though?

    We live in a country that has approx 80% of the country who identify themselves as Catholic, by that logic alone the atheists are in a minority on boards.ie?

    I suspect the issue is most Catholics/Christians have little or no interest in discussing their favorite mass or reading, which can then result in some of the more obsessive followers posting in this forum which in turn puts off the avg Catholic/Christian from bothering with this forum. (obviously not everybody in the forum is obsessive but some certainly are and others are happy to preach hatred)

    I know many Catholics, my parents for example and 99% of the one's I know and I've talked to were sickened by the church's approach to gay marriage back in 2015...especially when the church preached hatred during children's communion masses.

    This puts off most Catholics bothering with anything religious when they see this type of hatred and The Chieftain is only making things worse with the hateful comments made in this thread. Such a shame really.

    Blaming atheists is a cop out, we can all live in peace, but only when no hatred is preached by either side.


  • #50
    solodeogloria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭solodeogloria


    Cabaal wrote: »
    How could it be crowded out though?

    We live in a country that has approx 80% of the country who identify themselves as Catholic, by that logic alone the atheists are in a minority on boards.ie?

    I suspect the issue is most Catholics/Christians have little or no interest in discussing their favorite mass or reading, which can then result in some of the more obsessive followers posting in this forum which in turn puts off the avg Catholic/Christian from bothering with this forum. (obviously not everybody in the forum is obsessive but some certainly are)

    Good morning!

    Sadly I agree. I'm hoping to play my part in starting a Bible thread a day with some observations. That's what my faith is about getting to know Jesus more. Although I'm conservative on both marriage and abortion I'm bloody sick of ignoring 90% of what Jesus has to say by obsessing on them.

    I'm hoping to do my little part to change that God willing.

    Much thanks in Christ Jesus,
    solodeogloria


  • #51
    The Chieftain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    Cabaal wrote: »
    How could it be crowded out though?

    We live in a country that has approx 80% of the country who identify themselves as Catholic, by that logic alone the atheists are in a minority on boards.ie?
    That logic makes a big assumption: that boards.ie reflects the country. Obviously not. And these specific board don't even reflect the generality of boards.ie The A&A forum has a surfet of young, militant, in your face, nihilistic secularists, who are happy to relieve their own frustrations by playing hunt the Christians over here.
    Cabaal wrote: »
    I suspect the issue is most Catholics/Christians have little or no interest in discussing their favorite mass or reading, which can then result in some of the more obsessive followers posting in this forum which in turn puts off the avg Catholic/Christian from bothering with this forum. (obviously not everybody in the forum is obsessive but some certainly are)
    Most Catholics/Christians are happy with their faith, and don't see the need to roam the internet in search of quarrels.


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  • #52
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    That logic makes a big assumption: that boards.ie reflects the country. Obviously not. And these specific board don't even reflect the generality of boards.ie The A&A forum has a surfet of young, militant, in your face, nihilistic secularists, who are happy to relieve their own frustrations by playing hunt the Christians over here.

    Most Catholics/Christians are happy with their faith, and don't see the need to roam the internet in search of quarrels.

    This made my day. :D:D:D


  • #53
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    who are happy to relieve their own frustrations by playing hunt the Christians over here.

    Funny, coming from somebody who just posted a conspiracy theory end of days link about Trump in the atheist forum where it has zero relevance,

    Most Catholics/Christians are happy with their faith, and don't see the need to roam the internet in search of quarrels.

    They are also happy with equality issues, as we saw from the 62% vote in May in favor of marriage equality.

    You however appear to be very much an exception and decide to preach hatred, you certainly do no represent the avg Catholics/Christians in Ireland.

    You appear to be a hateful exception and you in no way represent the Catholics I know and love in my life.


  • #54
    The Chieftain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Funny, coming from somebody who just posted a conspiracy theory end of days link about Trump in the atheist forum where it has zero relevance,
    Whatever about relevance, it is where it is clearly most needed.
    Cabaal wrote: »
    They are also happy with equality issues, as we saw from the 62% vote in May in favor of marriage equality.

    Happily, where I live voted against homosexual couplings.
    Cabaal wrote: »
    You however appear to be very much an exception and decide to preach hatred, you certainly do no represent the avg Catholics/Christians in Ireland. You appear to be a hateful exception.
    Hate, oh dearie no. But I do intensely dislike the hijacking of this forum, for sport, by an organized grouping of those with professed non-beliefs.


  • #55
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    I was on the bus to Sligo in the middle of the day, just before the same-sex marriage referendum, with a bunch of older people (older than me, I'm 50 this year), and we were all chatting about the issue. I said, "You know, I'm from a state in America that has come out as vehemently against same-sex marriage. It baffles me. I have a lot of gay and bi friends. I'm straight as quality control in a ruler factory, so either I'm not interested in them, or they're not interested in me. Why should I make it my business who they bump bits with, so long as everyone's happy?" And the busful of lovely elders nodded and laughed, except for one grumpy lady who said, "But it's against God's...", which was about as far as she got before she withered under the cool stares of her cohort. (Surely they weren't an atheist group, lol.)

    You have the right to your opinion. You don't have the right to force others to accommodate you and give you a microphone. You have the freedom to speak your opinion. You don't have the right to force others to agree with you or even listen to you. You have the right to live your life according to your opinion. But you don't have the right to impose that life on others unjustly. You have the right to be wrong. You don't have the right to be wrong to other people.


  • #56
    The Chieftain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    Speedwell wrote: »
    I was on the bus to Sligo in the middle of the day, just before the same-sex marriage referendum, with a bunch of older people (older than me, I'm 50 this year), and we were all chatting about the issue. I said, "You know, I'm from a state in America that has come out as vehemently against same-sex marriage. It baffles me. I have a lot of gay and bi friends. I'm straight as quality control in a ruler factory, so either I'm not interested in them, or they're not interested in me. Why should I make it my business who they bump bits with, so long as everyone's happy?" And the busful of lovely elders nodded and laughed, except for one grumpy lady who said, "But it's against God's...", which was about as far as she got before she withered under the cool stares of her cohort.

    A perfect example of intolerance and censorship of opposing views. By those who preach tolerance and inclusion, of course... nothing but hypocrisy on the grand scale.


  • #57
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    A perfect example of intolerance and censorship of opposing views. By those who preach tolerance and inclusion, of course... nothing but hypocrisy on the grand scale.
    Are you opposed to tolerance and inclusion? By homosexual unions, do you mean marriage?


  • #58
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    A perfect example of intolerance and censorship of opposing views. By those who preach tolerance and inclusion, of course... nothing but hypocrisy on the grand scale.

    Oh, right, "censorship". Did you read my second paragraph?


  • #59
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,157 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    That logic makes a big assumption: that boards.ie reflects the country. Obviously not. And these specific board don't even reflect the generality of boards.ie The A&A forum has a surfet of young, militant, in your face, nihilistic secularists, who are happy to relieve their own frustrations by playing hunt the Christians over here.
    "hunt the Christians" (presuming this means attacking Christian posters) is against the charter, so if you see it happening please report it.
    The Chieftain wrote: »
    Hate, oh dearie no. But I do intensely dislike the hijacking of this forum, for sport, by an organized grouping of those with professed non-beliefs.
    Non-Christians are allowed to participate in this forum once they don't breach the charter. This isn't a forum for Christians only.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #60
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    A perfect example of intolerance and censorship of opposing views. By those who preach tolerance and inclusion, of course... nothing but hypocrisy on the grand scale.

    Aren't you calling for censorship of this forum? Hell, you even think it's an indictment against this country's education system that they aren't preaching young Earth creationism.


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  • #61
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,489 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The Chieftain wrote: »
    That logic makes a big assumption: that boards.ie reflects the country. Obviously not. And these specific board don't even reflect the generality of boards.ie The A&A forum has a surfet of young, militant, in your face, nihilistic secularists, who are happy to relieve their own frustrations by playing hunt the Christians over here.

    Most Catholics/Christians are happy with their faith, and don't see the need to roam the internet in search of quarrels.

    Presumably you mean surfeit? Anyway - young? I will be 70 within the next 12 months; and I am not the only older person, what do you consider young?

    Militant - no, I am an aging hippy.

    In your face, well yes I suppose I am that occasionally.

    Nihilist? Where have any of the atheists here shown that they reject all moral and religious principles? We may not have religious beliefs, but many of the Christian principles are fine. Moral principles? well it depends on what you base your morality, but I don't think atheist are any more lacking than anyone else.

    Secularists, definitely.

    And the only frustrations I suffer on boards are those caused by trolling.

    Meanwhile, come on lads, where is this atheist headquarters that is co-ordinating attacks on Christianity? I want to play, what is the password?


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