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SpaceX's Grasshopper VTVL takes a 40 meter hop

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    Who will go and whats it gonna cost to get them to go is nearly most interesting part.

    They were reading this Thread, 10 Institutions are to share $5.7 Million (alot of money considering how crap these tests actually read)

    1 group is gonna get researchers at Antartica who serve 14 months to play some computer games and cycle a bit "We believe this measure will counter some of the negative effects we see in isolated, confined and extreme environments," Basner said.

    Those researchers are there for less than half of what the Mars Run will be in relative luxury with space to move and things like Gravity and bowling and TVs and other every day stuff and still suffer from a mental health disorder called Winter-Over syndrome, characterized by symptoms such as depression, irritability, aggressive behavior, insomnia, memory deficits, and the occurrence of mild fugue states known as the “antarctic stare.” And usually stay drunk for their whole stay.

    So I'd imagine that's gonna be a waste of time and money anyway.


    Another group will examine proteins in blood samples taken from astronauts before, during and after space travel to determine how they might mitigate impacts to the space travelers' immune systems. The lack of gravity and radiation exposure from prolonged time in space causes chronic inflammation that can lead to immune system dysfunction. That can make the astronauts susceptible to infection, not to mention uncomfortable, said Kanokporn Rithidech, a professor of research in SUNY Stony Brooks' department of pathology.


    So kinda what they are doing already with the Twins Study? More waste?


    Another will see if they can do something about the Eye Problems associated by going up which will only be worse for deep space travellers....without more DATA not alot to do here (?)


    A study to see how to get people from different Cultures to work as a team will work with another that will use surgical and critical-care residents as stand ins for astronauts as they are smart, adaptable and faced with stressful and complex situations in socially isolated settings for up to 80 hours a week
    The residents will answer questionnaires and also be subjected to sensors such as wrist bands and smartphone applications that track their heart rates and other physiological responses to their situations. Eventually, the researchers' assessment model will be tested in a spacecraft simulator at NASA in Houston.

    The Johns Hopkins researchers hope to determine, for example, not just how someone performs under pressure and what they contribute to the group, but how the group responds to that person.

    If their voice is too loud, for exmaple, "they may not be great to have on a long mission," said Rosen, an associate professor in Johns Hopkins' department of anesthesiology and critical-care medicine and a faculty member in the Johns Hopkins Armstrong Institute for Patient Safety and Quality.

    Rosen said he and the team at Rice have long studied such team-based performance in high-risk environments, and he expects to use the findings not just to benefit NASA's astronaut selection process but perhaps to help customize doctor training at Johns Hopkins and beyond. Doctors with innate abilities in such stressful situations may need less time in training, while others may need more time and better coping mechanisms, he said.

    The final tool won't be a one-size-fits-all assessment but a method of picking the proper team, with each member bringing complementary characteristics.

    "What does this team to Mars need to be successful?" Rosen asked. "The right mix of people."

    Not great either, I've read about similar ones before. It's probably been done already if they checked.


    http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/maryland-health/bs-hs-travel-to-mars-20160209-story.html


    Still want to be mad to sign up for this.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    They were reading this Thread, 10 Institutions are to share $5.7 Million (alot of money considering how crap these tests actually read)

    1 group is gonna get researchers at Antartica who serve 14 months to play some computer games and cycle a bit "We believe this measure will counter some of the negative effects we see in isolated, confined and extreme environments,"
    ...
    Not great either, I've read about similar ones before. It's probably been done already if they checked.
    ...
    Still want to be mad to sign up for this.
    Didn't some Mars Foundation do a similar study in Greenland years back in a big cylinder ?


    Just send someone to a thing called a "library" to look up how people coped back in the old days of ocean voyages or polar expeditions that would last bleedin' ages :rolleyes:


    Oddly enough giving people laptops might be the easiest way. Pity about the round trip times of between 6 and 42 minutes. Then again there's a million video games out there.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    So I'd imagine that's gonna be a waste of time and money anyway.
    Oh very much so T, but that's the beauty of white elephants, they're fantastic or drumming up research grant money. As CM said, go to a local library, it's all there. Doesn't get you the millions mind you.

    Though it might be argued that those long sea voyage people were of a "different breed" to people today. They certainly had different expectations of comfort, different attitudes to authority and lived life at a far slower pace and with far fewer mental distractions. Even the last 30 years has shown a huge shift in daily mental stimulation. Take what the good Cap wrote by way of illustration;
    Oddly enough giving people laptops might be the easiest way. Pity about the round trip times of between 6 and 42 minutes.
    Your long sea voyage guys and men and women of those times thought in days, weeks even sometimes years in round trip distance comms and I would argue their minds were different because of it.

    We live lives that are extremely "noisy", with endless choices to be stimulated and I would argue that many are over stimulated. That's great for OCD types like myself, but even for me I get burnout every so often. On a Mars trip I'd anger up within a week, void my ship mates into space a week after that and be floating around naked in the capsule covered in baby oil, singing "I'm a little teapot".

    A trip to Mars that at best would last 6 months would drive many mad, unless you can send flight qualified Taoist masters or Christian monks who live in a tiny cave up a mountain. I'd bet an 9th century Irish Monk living on Skellig Micheal could do it in his sleep. An MIT graduate with a 1000 friends on Facebook and an active Twitter account, I'm not so sure.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭SNAKEDOC


    I would imagine any trip to mars would be quite heavy on the social media side of things like the ISS with constant twitter updates and videos so the crew of a mats mission would be kept fairly ocuppied with that plus all the experimentation work to be carried out while flying through unknown space for the first time. There would be more than enough work to keep an astronaut crew busy for the six month flight and given the strides being made in more efficent engines that journey time could be cut again. The year in space mission is drawing to a close and thats weightless where as a mars mission would be even partial artificial gravity so in my view no biggy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    SNAKEDOC wrote: »
    I would imagine any trip to mars would be quite heavy on the social media side of things like the ISS with constant twitter updates and videos so the crew of a mats mission would be kept fairly ocuppied with that plus all the experimentation work to be carried out while flying through unknown space for the first time. There would be more than enough work to keep an astronaut crew busy for the six month flight and given the strides being made in more efficent engines that journey time could be cut again. The year in space mission is drawing to a close and thats weightless where as a mars mission would be even partial artificial gravity so in my view no biggy.
    20 minutes to send a message. They could be dead by the time we get message theirs a problem.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    No hoping in a Soyuz to be back in time for Dinner.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭SNAKEDOC


    20 minutes to send a message. They could be dead by the time we get message theirs a problem.

    Whats your point. Yes there is a time delay due to distance but does that mean we shouldnt send astronauts to mars


  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭SNAKEDOC




    Given their sucess do you think musk will take spaceX public after a prospective sucessful falcon heavy launch this year or wait for crewed dragon flights


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    SNAKEDOC wrote: »
    I would imagine any trip to mars would be quite heavy on the social media side of things like the ISS with constant twitter updates and videos so the crew of a mats mission would be kept fairly ocuppied with that

    Wont be much communication with them delays...Guts of an hour to ask and get answer to a question.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭SNAKEDOC


    Im not talking chatting more like video updates and recieving videos from people back on earth. I know that there are delays of roughly 25 minutes for roundtrip comms from mars but when talking about astronauts goin nuts while going to mars the fact that its a new type of mission and the unknown aspect of going out beyond the moons orbit for the first time will have the astronauts kept busy and with proper marketing a bigger interest from folks on earth then more of a fan base i suppose to reply to. Emails and videos. I dont think it would be a case of astronauts goin bonkers out of bordom. As i said earlier the year in space is nearing its end no sign of him goin nuts yet. I think the physicological side is a bit over stated for astronauts who want to be there. Different for those who would rather be somewhere else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    SNAKEDOC wrote: »
    Given their sucess do you think musk will take spaceX public after a prospective sucessful falcon heavy launch this year or wait for crewed dragon flights

    No, its years away, Musk has said SpaceX will only go public once they are regularly sending people to Mars


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    SNAKEDOC wrote: »
    Im not talking chatting more like video updates and recieving videos from people back on earth. I know that there are delays of roughly 25 minutes for roundtrip comms from mars but when talking about astronauts goin nuts while going to mars the fact that its a new type of mission and the unknown aspect of going out beyond the moons orbit for the first time will have the astronauts kept busy and with proper marketing a bigger interest from folks on earth then more of a fan base i suppose to reply to. Emails and videos. I dont think it would be a case of astronauts goin bonkers out of bordom. As i said earlier the year in space is nearing its end no sign of him goin nuts yet. I think the physicological side is a bit over stated for astronauts who want to be there. Different for those who would rather be somewhere else.

    It's 25 mins one way. I not sure their will be to many vids....anyway.

    A year on the ISS is a holiday. I'd do it. Worth it for the View alone. (Their won't be much of them on the way to mars and no direct Sunlight on Mars full stop) Video chatting home to Friends. Anyone gets Sick or has problems, hop in the Pod, home for Dinner. No full time stress. Shure it'd be a bit of craic. Im the one who keeps bringing up the people going (must stop) cuz it's probably the most interesting part for me at the minute, the rest is just Money. On the ISS I've read stories that the Nationalities do stick to their own Pods, they bring all their bullsh1t Earth baggage with them, 1 up their recently was described as "never really talks" on Stargazing Live. That crap won't cut it on Mars.

    I know they'll get people to go to Mars. but it's gonna be a very small list to choose from. Real possibility of Death or a plethora of Health problems if you do make it back will rule out alot. Idea been thrown around that you might have to be BloodType O Neg will rule out lots more. Not much in the way of healthcare on Mars...walking blood bags. Then ya have to weed out the wanna be celebrities.

    One of the Team on the Current Year long Simulated Mars down on a Mountain in Hawaii has a good story on her 6 Months so far and the Tech follows People on her list of whats most important.

    It's a good read.
    On Mars and beyond, the experience will be taken to a new level. Ponder this: how would it change your worldview if every person you laid eyes on for years was utterly necessary for your survival? That’s life on sMars, and that will be life on real Mars: distant and inhospitable, populated entirely by people you cannot live without, and who cannot live without you.
    Mechanical solutions for getting a crew there and back alive will take shape as time and money allow. What cannot be engineered is people. Physically and mentally, emotionally and spiritually, we are the black boxes in this white dome bound for the red planet.

    And as bleak as her description sounds they have Full Gravity, Natural Radiation Shielding and are in No Real Danger...which is the biggie thats missing from all these studies.

    http://hi-seas.org/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HI-SEAS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    5 rocket first stages in work at HQ

    QUORA QUESTION: WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NASA AND PRIVATE SPACE OPERATORS LIKE SPACEX?

    How commercial space travel gets cheaper



    Elom Musk Book coming.


    3 days till next launch...it's an important one, they need this to go right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    Wayhey, a landing is planned for Wed, but launch profile needed for this SAT means it's unlikely to make it.

    60% chance of launch Wed
    80% Thur

    A dark (ish) launch aswell. Boo.


    http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/spacex/2016/02/22/decent-weather-spacex-launch-try-wednesday/80726878/

    http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/02/spacex-falcon-9-static-fire-ahead-ses-9-launch/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    Launch window is (I think) an hour and a half, so between 11.45 and 01.15


  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭SNAKEDOC


    Whats the weather for the landing zone i wonder. I hope they can pull off a drone ship landing. So unfortunate last time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    SNAKEDOC wrote: »
    Whats the weather for the landing zone i wonder. I hope they can pull off a drone ship landing. So unfortunate last time

    I suspect if the weather is good at the launch site they may launch even if the weather is poor at sea, this launch has been delayed for months, but then again one more day makes little difference so who knows


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    No launch tonight :-(


  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭LFC CONNAUGHTON


    May be a bit unrelated but Elon Musk has said this


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  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭SNAKEDOC


    id buy a model x if i could afford it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    SNAKEDOC wrote: »
    id buy a model x if i could afford it.

    Model X and S are large cars, too big for irish roads IMO, Model 3 will be a far better car in every way


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    nokia69 wrote: »
    Model X and S are large cars, too big for irish roads IMO, Model 3 will be a far better car in every way

    Review on BBC1 there one night, after a few months use has them as expensive rattle boxes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Review on BBC1 there one night, after a few months use has them as expensive rattle boxes.

    Jeremy Clarkson was it, Musk should sue them again for telling lies, if he gets a fair judge he might win this time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    less than 10 to go


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,114 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Will there be a hold I wonder, does sound good so far


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭MayoForSam


    Aborted


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,114 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    and scrubbed for tonight, disappointing


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    and scrubbed for tonight, disappointing

    The SpaceX motto should be there will be delays


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