Singer Kesha Rape claim

allibastor · 22-02-2016 11:31AM #1

Just listening to this on the radio this morning.

Not looking to get into he ins and out of it, but I would imagine your man Dr. Luke's career will be in tatters, even if innocent.

Bit mad of a thing to come out with if its not true. All the support Kesha receives would show that a lot agree of the naming, but is it not jumping the gun a bit.

Sir Osis of Liver. · 22-02-2016 11:44AM

Never heard of Kesha or Doctor Luke.

If it's true,he should be struck off at the very least.

Sonics2k · 22-02-2016 11:49AM

allibastor wrote: »

Just listening to this on the radio this morning.

Not looking to get into he ins and out of it, but I would imagine your man Dr. Luke's career will be in tatters, even if innocent.

Bit mad of a thing to come out with if its not true. All the support Kesha receives would show that a lot agree of the naming, but is it not jumping the gun a bit.

A lot of other female singers, as well as male singers, have made very similar claims about the man over the years, but none were able to go to court. Sadly, it is a fact of the world that people in certain positions are very hard to actually take to court, look at R Kelly for example, who still has a music career.

I think the big mistake Kesha made in this case is that because she hasn't actually pressed charges against him, the court had no actual reason to break the contract.

Senna · 22-02-2016 11:50AM

So no report to police, no evidence, she has been in regular contact with him since then (10 years) and now she wants to get out of a music contract so starts shouting "rape".
That's 30 seconds worth of googling but am I wrong?

razorblunt · 22-02-2016 11:52AM

I've not been following it closely either, there's no actual case against for rape right?
She's accused him of this and stated she no longer wants to work with him?

Strange that Sony don't just let he go to save face and be seeing to do the right thing, what do they have to gain for it?

This popped up in my FB newsfeed yesterday too, some guy commented to point out that he's only been accused of it on a thread of a female author who was sharing the story, holy crap was he destroyed for it!

suicide_circus · 22-02-2016 11:52AM

The fact the the sexual battery claim coincided precisely with her attempt to break contract with him looks a little dodgy. And the judge also threw out the case due to zero evidence. Your man's career is still ruined anyway so job done I suppose.

suicide_circus · 22-02-2016 11:54AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

A lot of other female singers, as well as male singers, have made very similar claims about the man over the years, but none were able to go to court. Sadly, it is a fact of the world that people in certain positions are very hard to actually take to court, look at R Kelly for example, who still has a music career.

I think the big mistake Kesha made in this case is that because she hasn't actually pressed charges against him, the court had no actual reason to break the contract.

No smoke without fire!

fullstop · 22-02-2016 11:55AM

razorblunt wrote: »

This popped up in my FB newsfeed yesterday too, some guy commented to point out that he's only been accused of it on a thread of a female author who was sharing the story, holy crap was he destroyed for it!

I think I know the page you're talking about...did the same person have an article about her ex boyfriend and the UCD scandal? Think there was a thread on here about it.

22-02-2016 11:58AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

No smoke without fire!

The most idiotic idiom ever uttered.

Gatling · 22-02-2016 12:05PM

She made the claim ages ago ,

Plenty of victims of abuse stayed in contact with their abusers

everlast75 · 22-02-2016 12:10PM

I don't know much about her claim, but I do know that anyone who drinks their own p*ss for a reality TV show seems quite unhinged*

Whether that's because of what is alleged to have happened to her, or the cause of her making an unfounded claim is another question.

*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOZ0Vzpj0dY

allibastor · 22-02-2016 12:11PM

To be honest only a few know if its true or not.

More my point was, with all the sensations of this now online, the like of Taylor Swift giving over 250K etc, has this signed your mans career over now. Surley no-one will work with him again after this.

R-Kelly, as pointed out above, he has a career, but no-where near as big as he once was.

I suppose Sony cant axe him, or break contract with Kesha as it will show an admission of guilt.

mickstupp · 22-02-2016 12:12PM

This thread is heading towards the Land Of No Surprises Here. No need to read any more methinks. I've lost enough faith in humanity already.

razorblunt · 22-02-2016 12:12PM

fullstop wrote: »

I think I know the page you're talking about...did the same person have an article about her ex boyfriend and the UCD scandal? Think there was a thread on here about it.

I'm not sure, I think this she's an author (along the lines of those new age Mills & Boon type stuff). Got the impression she's American but I could be wrong, I'll see if I can dig it out.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-02-2016 12:14PM

Any relation of Dr Hook?

everlast75 · 22-02-2016 12:15PM

allibastor wrote: »

To be honest only a few know if its true or not.

More my point was, with all the sensations of this now online, the like of Taylor Swift giving over 250K etc, has this signed your mans career over now. Surley no-one will work with him again after this.

R-Kelly, as pointed out above, he has a career, but no-where near as big as he once was.

I suppose Sony cant axe him, or break contract with Kesha as it will show an admission of guilt.

R-Kelly has some serious questions to answer. Lots of documentaries with allegations of underage sex

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/read-the-stomach-churning-sexual-assault-accusations-against-r-kelly-in-full-6637412

22-02-2016 12:26PM

Ah yer wan in her knickers trying to be as slutty as the rest of them. I'd say the stories behind closed doors would chill you to the bone.

she was happy enough with him when she was a nobody, now she's more famous it's easy to shout rape given his colourful past!!

they can get harassment and rape from a guy staring at a girl in America!!
this is the same country that passed a food law stating PIZZA was a vegetable because it had tomato paste on it!! ha ha ha just so Pizza hut could supply canteens in schools!!

amazing!! bloody Americans.

fullstop · 22-02-2016 12:26PM

razorblunt wrote: »

I'm not sure, I think this she's an author (along the lines of those new age Mills & Boon type stuff). Got the impression she's American but I could be wrong, I'll see if I can dig it out.

Ah no this was an Irish one.

BattleCorp · 22-02-2016 12:33PM

If Kesha was abused/raped:-

I can see why she didn't go to the police early on in her career? Some people put up with unacceptable behaviour if they are in a vulnerable position (such as someone starting out in the music business).

That said, she is no longer in a vulnerable position. Why has she still not gone to the police regarding this claim?

thattequilagirl · 22-02-2016 12:35PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

If Kesha was abused/raped:-

I can see why she didn't go to the police early on in her career? Some people put up with unacceptable behaviour if they are in a vulnerable position (such as someone starting out in the music business).

That said, she is no longer in a vulnerable position. Why has she still not gone to the police regarding this claim?

Because life isn't black and white?

Because she feared not being believed? A fear that is substantiated by a quick read of this thread

Because she was suffering from some kind of PTSD?

Because she thought it might damage her career?

Toobz · 22-02-2016 12:36PM

allibastor wrote: »

Just listening to this on the radio this morning.

Not looking to get into he ins and out of it, but I would imagine your man Dr. Luke's career will be in tatters, even if innocent.

Bit mad of a thing to come out with if its not true. All the support Kesha receives would show that a lot agree of the naming, but is it not jumping the gun a bit.

Why are you so focused towards it being a lie by Kesha? If anything, that's jumping the gun.

Wibbs · 22-02-2016 12:37PM

rusty cole wrote:

Ah yer wan in her knickers trying to be as slutty as the rest of them.

I don't know where to begin with that daftness.

That said the more you dig, the more odd it gets. A few years ago she swore in a court hearing that any contact they had was consensual, now the story changes and it happens to change when she wants out of a contract? The fact that it was also thrown out of court says a fair bit. Not conclusive either way but bloody fishy. In the old days she'd have taken a civil action against him, now it's easier and cheaper to use the High Court of Twitter. It's a win win for her either way.

DrumSteve · 22-02-2016 12:37PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Any relation of Dr Hook?

TBF, that would be a great name for a record producer.

The Backwards Man · 22-02-2016 12:38PM

rusty cole wrote: »

Ah yer wan in her knickers trying to be as slutty as the rest of them. I'd say the stories behind closed doors would chill you to the bone.

she was happy enough with him when she was a nobody, now she's more famous it's easy to shout rape given his colourful past!!

they can get harassment and rape from a guy staring at a girl in America!!
this is the same country that passed a food law stating PIZZA was a vegetable because it had tomato paste on it!! ha ha ha just so Pizza hut could supply canteens in schools!!

amazing!! bloody Americans.

Do you need to lie down?

Wibbs · 22-02-2016 12:43PM

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Because life isn't black and white?

Because she feared not being believed? A fear that is substantiated by a quick read of this thread

Because she was suffering from some kind of PTSD?

Because she thought it might damage her career?

Indeed and I agree with you. However and it's a big however, the law rightfully has to operate by evidence and it seems in this case there is none. A society simply can't run along the lines of believe all those who claim to be victims and damn the accused. That's mob rule.

Sadly there is an element of that, especially around this crime. It's such a weighted word that any accusation gets attention and just as those muppets in that Irish court who shook the hands of a rapist because he was a "nice chap" and she had a "reputation", you can see why some could use such an accusation as leverage.

What needs more attention and support is for men and women to have more education and avenues to report and build a case against abusers and rapists and put them away for life.

tritium · 22-02-2016 12:44PM

Its a strange one. A key issue the judge apparently had with her claim was that she previously swore under oath that Dr Luke had never assaulted or drugged her as part of a separate contract dispute case with other producers.

ghostdancer · 22-02-2016 01:01PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

If Kesha was abused/raped:-

I can see why she didn't go to the police early on in her career? Some people put up with unacceptable behaviour if they are in a vulnerable position (such as someone starting out in the music business).

That said, she is no longer in a vulnerable position. Why has she still not gone to the police regarding this claim?

because going to the police would lead to a criminal trial which would actually require some proof.

it's very easy to make claims as part of a civil case regarding employment contracts when you know that the judge isn't ruling on whether or not those abuse allegations are true.

mickstupp · 22-02-2016 01:05PM

Yep. There it is. Knew I shouldn't have kept reading.

allibastor · 22-02-2016 01:06PM

Toobz wrote: »

Why are you so focused towards it being a lie by Kesha? If anything, that's jumping the gun.

AAmmm,, where I am saying its a lie, believe me I dont think it is or isnt.

I am simply going by what was said in court cases etc that no actual evidence was produced, coupled with the fact she hasn't made a police statement.

If it is true he deserves to has his knackers cut off.

BattleCorp · 22-02-2016 01:07PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

because going to the police would lead to a criminal trial which would actually require some proof.

it's very easy to make claims as part of a civil case regarding employment contracts when you know that the judge isn't ruling on whether or not those abuse allegations are true.

I'm genuinely curious about how the police deal with these types of claims.

Plenty of criminal trials for rape don't have much in the way of physical proof. I'm thinking specifically of historic rape claims.

How do you prove somebody raped you 15 years ago (or even one year ago) if you didn't go to the hospital at the time, gather DNA evidence etc.? Is it not pretty much one person's word against the other?

How do the police establish proof in these types of circumstances?

Wibbs · 22-02-2016 01:08PM

mickstupp wrote: »

Yep. There it is. Knew I shouldn't have kept reading.

I'm not sure what you mean M? Are you suggesting that accusations are enough and that this automatically renders the accused guilty? If this was say a theft case, would you automatically believe the plaintiff in the absence of any proof? Obviously this kind of crime is far more nuanced, but the requirement for reasonable proof should be in place before calling for the hangman?

Singer Kesha Rape claim

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