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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

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  • #9932
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Agree with both of the above posts.



    We should not set low standards.



    Agree.
    I couldn't see the Kilkenny hurling county board accepting this if they were performing as bad as united.
    There are certain standards that must be maintained, United have really sunk, and change is needed. I like Van Gaal, but it has not worked out.
    But the cats are ****e don't compare us to that shower :rolleyes::pac:


  • #9933
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    All football fans want to win games. That's what I'm referring to. How did you feel after Real embarassed Liverpool last season? Did you think, "oh well, at least we got to the CL group stages" or were you pissed off? I was pissed off because Liverpool lost. I don't care that Real are better, richer or have spent more

    Of course Watford fans would be happy to finish 7th/8th, I dont dispute that. My point regarding them was that since Ferguson left and United's blip began, Watford fans have probably suffered significantly more lows than United fans

    If I remember correctly, didn't Liverpool put out a weakened team in at least one of those games?

    Look at it from a different sport, Kilkenny hurling fans would be in uproar if our standards fell off the cliff the way United's standards have collapsed.


  • #9934
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    But the cats are ****e don't compare us to that shower :rolleyes::pac:

    The devils could really do with some claws right now... :D


  • #9935
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Lol stroll into the United thread as good as call or generalise us of being whingey ****ers

    Not a bother to you fair play

    But many are being whingey. I call it as I see it. I think the vast majority of my posts in United threads over the years have probably been broadly in line with the views of United fans.

    People are too preoccupied with this nonsense of we spent so many million, hence we should be achieving this or that.

    Sport isn't an exact science, it's the variables that make it what it is. Irrespective of your financial muscle, it's still XI v XI and everyone wants to win. Some people seem to have a hard time accepting that they can't always


  • #9936
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,496 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    I agree. And United are ****ing up, just as every other club in the world have at one stage in their recent history. The only difference is that this is a new experience for most United fans, and then playing the long suffering fan when all they're experiencing is exacly what fans of every other club experience, is a bit self pitying imo

    This is a Man United thread where most of the conversation will be on United, good or bad.

    I dont see any United fan saying "hey look at us, poor old us"

    What do you honestly expect? For us to just think it's fine to spend 250million and watch a team unable to score a goal in one end for 5 months?

    EVENFLOW



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  • #9937
    v3ttel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭v3ttel


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    All those clubs beneath United in the league
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Doesn't matter whether you're a Man United or Dundee United fan. All fans want to win games, to win trophies. 20 years of unrivalled success dosent exempt you from experiencing the lows that the majority of football fans endure with far greater frequency
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    No. I'm saying Watford fans have had to endure far worse than what United fans have over the last number of years.

    Three years without a league title and your chatting about rioting in the streets. Just as well you're not a Sunderland fan or someone like that. You'd probably end up taking up arms

    Presumably your on the wind up? I'm struggling to believe that anyone could have such a skewed view.

    There are expectations based on the clubs resources and history. West Ham, Stoke and Watford will be happy with their upper mid table status.

    They are not one of the four biggest clubs in the world. They have not spent £250m+ in the last 3 seasons.
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Apologies, you didn't mention rioting. The post I was getting at was the reference to others not putting up with this.

    Of course I complain, moan and bitch about football. My point was simply that you're 5/6th in the league and have gone three years without a title. It happens most big clubs, Real, Barca, Milan, Bayern have all experienced similar. It's no where near as bad as the reactions on here would seem to merit

    Real Madrid haven't had three consecutive seasons as United have had since 1948 (assuming United finish 5th or worse this season). Do you think that they'd accept such a poor run of form today?

    Bayern Munich haven't had three consecutive seasons as United have had since 1979. Do you think that they'd accept such a poor run of form today?

    Barcelona are between 2000 and 2003 is the closest it gets and they didn't accept it. They went through 5 managers in 3 years. Do you think they'd accept 3 bad seasons now?

    If you are unsure of the answer, here is a hint.... less than 2 years ago, the fans were waving the white hankerchiefs after poor 3 defeats, nevermind 3 poor years.


  • #9938
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    lads why are you feeding him ffs


  • #9939
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If I remember correctly, didn't Liverpool put out a weakened team in at least one of those games?

    Look at it from a different sport, Kilkenny hurling fans would be in uproar if our standards fell off the cliff the way United's standards have collapsed.

    Yea, Rodgers did put out a weakened side at the Bearnabau (sp).

    KK will no doubt experience it at some point. Its sport after all (if you count stick fighting as a sport)


  • #9940
    Canadel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    What, so fans of say West Ham, at full time after a defeat just whip the calculators out, calculate who had the least net spend, and react to the defeat accordingly?

    My point is everyone wants to win, and losing sucks. Dosent matter if you're a Newcastle fan or a United fan. By and large,
    What you're describing here is the emotional impact a game of football can have on a fan. That can apply to your local team here in Ireland. It can apply to any fan. That's not the parameter by which you objectively measure a club's success. That measure is trophies, expectations based on past success, and return on investment in players. No trophies and not looking like any either being realistic. Utd are failing miserably to match not just fans' expectations, but also their own expectations. It's the manager and the player's responsibility to meet these expectations and they've failed. Managers get sacked. Players get sold or they play better for a new manager. Welcome to the world of top level football.
    United fans have had a lot of fortune over the years, and now suddenly the first cloud on the horizon and you'd swear it was the end of the world
    Suddenly? Genuine question here. Have you been hibernating for the last 3 months? 3 months is a lifetime in football, a results based business where even if the performances are good, you can still be sacked. The problem with Utd is that the performances have been at times worse than the poor results. There is no sign that Van Gaal can turn this around. He has to go.


  • #9941
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Having a different opinion dosent make me a troll. I've been posting in this forum floor about seven years now, and have never trolled it


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  • #9942
    mewe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭mewe


    I'm thinking Woodward is making a balls of things at this stage. I reckon Gill was shrewder and would have informed Fergie if a certain target was unachieveable after sounding things out whereas Woodward wastes time chasing these stupid targets like Ramos which are never going to happen and then end up with nothing.

    I'm not saying the manager isn't blameless either but Woodward has a lot to answer for.


  • #9943
    jayo26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    The united thread is like roadkill lately it just can't help attracting all the annoying little bugs you would love to swat..

    2zzup08.gif


  • #9944
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    v3ttel wrote: »
    Presumably your on the wind up? I'm struggling to believe that anyone could have such a skewed view.

    There are expectations based on the clubs resources and history. West Ham, Stoke and Watford will be happy with their upper mid table status.

    They are not one of the four biggest clubs in the world. They have not spent £250m+ in the last 3 seasons.



    Real Madrid haven't had three consecutive seasons as United have had since 1948 (assuming United finish 5th or worse this season). Do you think that they'd accept such a poor run of form today?

    Bayern Munich haven't had three consecutive seasons as United have had since 1979. Do you think that they'd accept such a poor run of form today?

    Barcelona are between 2000 and 2003 is the closest it gets and they didn't accept it. They went through 5 managers in 3 years. Do you think they'd accept 3 bad seasons now?

    If you are unsure of the answer, here is a hint.... less than 2 years ago, the fans were waving the white hankerchiefs after poor 3 defeats, nevermind 3 poor years.

    I'm working, so can't really reply to the valid points you've made.

    My point is simply that the lows United fans are experiencing aren't all that low, and are set against a backdrop of unparalleled highs.

    The reactions seem very OTT to me


  • #9945
    Trigger
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    I'm working, so can't really reply to the valid points you've made.

    My point is simply that the lows United fans are experiencing aren't all that low, and are set against a backdrop of unparalleled highs.

    The reactions seem very OTT to me

    Yet you have had enough time to post all of this ****e!
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Have a look at the table. Most clubs in the league are putting up with worse than what United have to endure under Van Gael.

    Yes he's doing a poor job, and will in all likelihood be sacked at the end of the year, but United fans playing the long suffering fan role is wearing thin. The reality is that all of the big clubs go through similar periods, the fact that it's uncharted territory for a huge number of United fans doesn't make the experience unique
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Regarding United not being a sacking club, with the exception of Ferguson, who even Florintino Perez probably wouldn't have sacked, United have sacked every single manager they've had since Matt Busby.

    The notion seems to be based entirely on Martin Edwards having a bit of patience in the late 80's/early 90's

    I don't think Moyes got any more time at United than any other club would have given him while LVG, assuming he goes this summer, probably got six months more than others would have afforded. That hardly makes United "not a sacking club"
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    All those clubs beneath United in the league
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Doesn't matter whether you're a Man United or Dundee United fan. All fans want to win games, to win trophies. 20 years of unrivalled success dosent exempt you from experiencing the lows that the majority of football fans endure with far greater frequency
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    No. I'm saying Watford fans have had to endure far worse than what United fans have over the last number of years.

    Three years without a league title and your chatting about rioting in the streets. Just as well you're not a Sunderland fan or someone like that. You'd probably end up taking up arms
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Apologies, you didn't mention rioting. The post I was getting at was the reference to others not putting up with this.

    Of course I complain, moan and bitch about football. My point was simply that you're 5/6th in the league and have gone three years without a title. It happens most big clubs, Real, Barca, Milan, Bayern have all experienced similar. It's no where near as bad as the reactions on here would seem to merit
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Apologies, you didn't mention rioting. The post I was getting at was the reference to others not putting up with this.

    Of course I complain, moan and bitch about football. My point was simply that you're 5/6th in the league and have gone three years without a title. It happens most big clubs, Real, Barca, Milan, Bayern have all experienced similar. It's no where near as bad as the reactions on here would seem to merit
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    What, so fans of say West Ham, at full time after a defeat just whip the calculators out, calculate who had the least net spend, and react to the defeat accordingly?

    My point is everyone wants to win, and losing sucks. Dosent matter if you're a Newcastle fan or a United fan. By and large, United fans have had a lot of fortune over the years, and now suddenly the first cloud on the horizon and you'd swear it was the end of the world
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    I agree. And United are ****ing up, just as every other club in the world have at one stage in their recent history. The only difference is that this is a new experience for most United fans, and then playing the long suffering fan when all they're experiencing is exacly what fans of every other club experience, is a bit self pitying imo
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    All football fans want to win games. That's what I'm referring to. How did you feel after Real embarassed Liverpool last season? Did you think, "oh well, at least we got to the CL group stages" or were you pissed off? I was pissed off because Liverpool lost. I don't care that Real are better, richer or have spent more

    Of course Watford fans would be happy to finish 7th/8th, I dont dispute that. My point regarding them was that since Ferguson left and United's blip began, Watford fans have probably suffered significantly more lows than United fans
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    But many are being whingey. I call it as I see it. I think the vast majority of my posts in United threads over the years have probably been broadly in line with the views of United fans.

    People are too preoccupied with this nonsense of we spent so many million, hence we should be achieving this or that.

    Sport isn't an exact science, it's the variables that make it what it is. Irrespective of your financial muscle, it's still XI v XI and everyone wants to win. Some people seem to have a hard time accepting that they can't always
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Yea, Rodgers did put out a weakened side at the Bearnabau (sp).

    KK will no doubt experience it at some point. Its sport after all (if you count stick fighting as a sport)
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Having a different opinion dosent make me a troll. I've been posting in this forum floor about seven years now, and have never trolled it

    Moderator: Forum Games, Conspiracy Theories, Current Affairs/IMHO



  • #9946
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    This is a Man United thread where most of the conversation will be on United, good or bad.

    I dont see any United fan saying "hey look at us, poor old us"

    What do you honestly expect? For us to just think it's fine to spend 250million and watch a team unable to score a goal in one end for 5 months?

    Of course I expect people to be pissed off, I just think a bit of perspective is needed. United fans complaining about their predicament is the football version of a first world problem. You have every right to be pissed off, but the claim that no other club would stand for what United fans have had to put up with isn't justified IMO


  • #9947
    Trigger
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Gotta laugh at Castles, Using a 5/6 year old photo in this tweet :pac:

    http://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/701154913812877312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Moderator: Forum Games, Conspiracy Theories, Current Affairs/IMHO



  • #9948
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    astradave wrote: »
    Yet you have had enough time to post all of this ****e!

    What's your point? I'm keeping an eye on my job and making quick replies when I can


  • #9949
    Trigger
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    What's your point? I'm keeping an eye on my job and making quick replies when I can

    My point is pretty self explanatory.

    Moderator: Forum Games, Conspiracy Theories, Current Affairs/IMHO



  • #9950
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Having a different opinion dosent make me a troll. I've been posting in this forum floor about seven years now, and have never trolled it

    You created your account March 2012! 7 years?


  • #9951
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    Ah radio silence


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  • #9952
    Flint Fredstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭Flint Fredstone


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    You created your account March 2012! 7 years?

    It's obviously not his first account.


  • #9953
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    You created your account March 2012! 7 years?

    I had an account before that I closed before I started this one. Hardly a ****ing mystery now is it.


  • #9954
    Canadel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Of course I expect people to be pissed off, I just think a bit of perspective is needed. United fans complaining about their predicament is the football version of a first world problem. You have every right to be pissed off, but the claim that no other club would stand for what United fans have had to put up with isn't justified IMO
    Utd fans aren't fans of other clubs (well, except me ironically..), they are fans of Utd. And other clubs are not Utd. In fact there is only one other club in England you can compare Utd to in terms of short to medium term success i.e. Chelsea. Utd are closer to Real/Barca and Bayern than they are other clubs in the league. I can't believe I'm the one saying this in this forum, but you're massively underestimating the scale and success of Manchester Utd, due probably to the very fact that the club is in the position it is in and the performances have been the way they have been. Hell, I'm not really a fan of Utd at all and I'm pissed off at the way the club is being run and the piss poor performances.


  • #9955
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Mirror saying the board want to stick to the plan of Giggs as the next manager.

    Has to be BS.


  • #9956
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    billyhead wrote: »
    Not really. The club dot comment on speculation. They never stated their full support for LVG when rumours started circulating after xmas that he would be sacked and Mourinho would come in.

    Will hit 10k posts over night so closing her up here. Thanks all :)


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