Strong garda presence at Galway Airport amid illegal Traveller encampment

CatFromHue · 17-02-2016 03:08PM

Neyite wrote: »

They would argue that buying a home would restrict their nomadic culture.

But what about this:

Hand over all halting sites to Pavee Point to run, then set up a co-operative system where all travellers pay monthly fees into a fund from which the upkeep and maintenance and potential expansion of all halting sites gets paid from, ran by their own council.

This incentivises the occupants to address a lot of anti-social elements within their own communities. But this way, as they have membership of all sites in the co-op, they can move to any halting site in keeping with their nomadic heritage that they like, within guidelines (such as giving notice etc) set down by their own people.

And anyone who has had such anti-social behaviour to the extent that they are evicted from a community site by their own, then they should be put at the very bottom of the County Council's housing list. (Actually that should apply to anyone who destroys a dwelling, private or council rental)

Martin Collins was on Prime Time last year and was talking about setting up a body specifically for traveller accommodation/halting sites countrywide. I can't remember if he said he wanted Pavee Point were to run it.

The way he phrased it he sounded like he was in favour of Irish Water too

Neyite · 17-02-2016 03:11PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

That is a good idea, pay for the upkeep of the place you live in like the rest of us.

But sure why would they do that when the council keeps footing the bill and cleaning up the rubbish they throw around for free?

Oh I can imagine that there would be uproar at having to pay for something you previously got for free - that applies to everyone though. If someone rocked up and told me I had a new bill coming in the door for something, I wouldn't be too chuffed either.

But it might make me pause or rein in my kids if I've to pay for the damage caused by my family. Or similarly if I'm only hurting my own investment by damaging a property.

Corvo wrote: »

This is not really aimed at you Neyite, because reading that, it seems like a decent proposition. However I think you have to factor in that most if not all the travelling community (not so much the settled travellers perhaps) are more than bloody aware among their group of who is at what.

They are already self governing. And I would wager my salary that Pavee Point know it too, yet I doubt they will be turning in any of their own any time soon.

All that would happen is that it would give them a solid base from which they can fund their lifestyles in one area, before moving onto the next. The only difference is that because Pavee Point will now be over it, they would be even more untouchable than they were before.

Good points. I'd have a bit more respect for Pavee if they didn't constantly defend or minimise criminality in their communities and stuck to advocating for the travellers who are law-abiding. I think you are right. Communities do know which ones are the trouble makers amongst them, but their own code of conduct prevents them from reporting issues to the Gardai / County Council. But part of me wonders why housing /facilities for travellers has to be our (the tax payers) problem to solve, and what would happen if they had to sort it themselves.

I'm sure there are loads of flaws in my idea. The above being one of them.

Graces7 · 17-02-2016 03:54PM

wexandproud wrote: »

don't think anyone has died of the hunger here since the famine and if they did it was probably because of lack of financial awareness rather than lack of money

Oh dear!. I did not say anyone did die of hunger but many go hungry. No child should. Have you tried living on eg sickness benefit or unemployment? Try it in winter. Please. Thankful some have some human compassion. The reason does not matter; it is feeding the little ones that matters.

Graces7 · 17-02-2016 04:02PM

Corvo wrote: »

This is not really aimed at you Neyite, because reading that, it seems like a decent proposition. However I think you have to factor in that most if not all the travelling community (not so much the settled travellers perhaps) are more than bloody aware among their group of who is at what.

They are already self governing. And I would wager my salary that Pavee Point know it too, yet I doubt they will be turning in any of their own any time soon.

All that would happen is that it would give them a solid base from which they can fund their lifestyles in one area, before moving onto the next. The only difference is that because Pavee Point will now be over it, they would be even more untouchable than they were before.

On another note, seperate to this post. I had to laugh this week at the Dublin gangster being buried and the outrage at the €15,000 coffin he was buried in. Well we all know where that money came from. Yet when a traveller receives a grave from the Tutankhamun selection that cost the same if not more, theres barely a word said from their supporters. They may not murder for it like our Dublin Scarface wanna-be, but you can be damn sure they didn't fund it from a 40 hour week in Supervalue.

You begrudge anyone a COFFIN? Now I have heard it all!

:D:D Funniest thing heard all day if it were not so sick.. OK enough of this inhumanity to fellow men for me; off to healthier more decent topics. Oh by the way I was assaulted by a traveller but that does not mean ALL travellers are bad. The kind of assault being committed on this list by some is a sad thing.. SEE YA!

end of the road · 17-02-2016 04:16PM

Neyite wrote: »

I'd have a bit more respect for Pavee if they didn't constantly defend or minimise criminality in their communities

where have Pavee point "defended" or "minimised" criminality in the traveling community? i have never heard this. if this was true, surely this would be all over the media?
or is this the same thing as what some people believe in relation to muslims, that if they aren't all standing on street corners or taking over every radio and television station, condemning and apologizing for something done by some members of their religion, they are defending and condoning the act?

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-02-2016 04:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

where have Pavee point "defended" or "minimised" criminality in the traveling community? i have never heard this. if this was true, surely this would be all over the media?
or is this the same thing as what some people believe in relation to muslims, that if they aren't all standing on street corners or taking over every radio and television station, condemning and apologizing for something done by some members of their religion, they are defending and condoning the act?

they blame the settled community for all their problems

the 29% of traveller males who have been through the justice system is not their faults its ours somehow

the media are spoon fed by vested interests in the victim hood industry

wexandproud · 17-02-2016 04:37PM

Graces7 wrote: »

You begrudge anyone a COFFIN? Now I have heard it all! :D:D Funniest thing heard all day if it were not so sick.. OK enough of this inhumanity to fellow men for me; off to healthier more decent topics. Oh by the way I was assaulted by a traveller but that does not mean ALL travellers are bad. The kind of assault being committed on this list by some is a sad thing.. SEE YA!

really choice words coming from yourself considering you refer to the people of sneem as being slightly inbred

Corvo · 17-02-2016 04:41PM

Graces7 wrote: »

You begrudge anyone a COFFIN? Now I have heard it all! :D:D Funniest thing heard all day if it were not so sick.. OK enough of this inhumanity to fellow men for me; off to healthier more decent topics. Oh by the way I was assaulted by a traveller but that does not mean ALL travellers are bad. The kind of assault being committed on this list by some is a sad thing.. SEE YA!

Hilarious. I don't begrudge anyone a coffin. I begrudge people spending unrealistic sums of money on one, that also claim benefits and do not contribute anything with regards taxes. Seems when that traveller assaulted you, he did a bit more damage to the cranium than originally thought. Off with you, go defend them without taking criticism elsewhere.

Iang87 · 17-02-2016 04:52PM

Corvo wrote: »

Hilarious. I don't begrudge anyone a coffin. I begrudge people spending unrealistic sums of money on one, that also claim benefits and do not contribute anything with regards taxes. Seems when that traveller assaulted you, he did a bit more damage to the cranium than originally thought. Off with you, go defend them without taking criticism elsewhere.

Ya your point was really missed by the other poster. Why cant we question the outrageous spending when they have nothing apparently

Arbiter of Good Taste · 17-02-2016 05:01PM

Graces7 wrote: »

You begrudge anyone a COFFIN? Now I have heard it all! :D:D Funniest thing heard all day if it were not so sick.. OK enough of this inhumanity to fellow men for me; off to healthier more decent topics. Oh by the way I was assaulted by a traveller but that does not mean ALL travellers are bad. The kind of assault being committed on this list by some is a sad thing.. SEE YA!

Why are you being wilfully obtuse? No one is begrudging anyone a coffin. But frankly €15k on a coffin is sinful. If you have the money and are contributing to society then fine, spend your money as you like. Otherwise, that is just two fingers in the face of decent people.

Neyite · 17-02-2016 05:10PM

end of the road wrote: »

where have Pavee point "defended" or "minimised" criminality in the traveling community? i have never heard this. if this was true, surely this would be all over the media?
or is this the same thing as what some people believe in relation to muslims, that if they aren't all standing on street corners or taking over every radio and television station, condemning and apologizing for something done by some members of their religion, they are defending and condoning the act?

Seriously they do. Every time that a traveller is in the news for committing a crime, sound bites from Pavee either trot out the 'small minority giving the rest of the community a bad name' or try to spin it that somehow settled people are to blame. If all else fails, they excuse their actions with it being their culture. They never denounce their own, even the bad apples.

I've nothing whatsoever against travellers. I've met good ones and dodgy ones. It irks me when I hear about all the handouts they get, in the guise of protecting a traditional way of life, yet that way of life appears to give nothing back to Irish society. Why is it so unreasonable to want them to be even slightly self sufficient and take a small amount of responsibility for their lives?

Galwayguy35 · 17-02-2016 06:00PM

end of the road wrote: »

where have Pavee point "defended" or "minimised" criminality in the traveling community? i have never heard this. if this was true, surely this would be all over the media?
or is this the same thing as what some people believe in relation to muslims, that if they aren't all standing on street corners or taking over every radio and television station, condemning and apologizing for something done by some members of their religion, they are defending and condoning the act?

Don't you mean you never heard them condemn criminality when travellers are responsible, it's always total radio silence when news like that happens.

astrofool · 17-02-2016 06:02PM

Graces7 wrote: »

You begrudge anyone a COFFIN? Now I have heard it all! :D:D Funniest thing heard all day if it were not so sick..

To be fair, they are begrudging them a horrendously expensive coffin, bought through ill-gotten gains, while the remaining family plead poverty.

end of the road · 17-02-2016 07:50PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Don't you mean you never heard them condemn criminality when travellers are responsible, it's always total radio silence when news like that happens.

no, i don't. i have heard pavee point condemn criminality time and time again on the radio.

17-02-2016 08:00PM

BMJD wrote: »

*some Irish people

You should know better than anyone about generalising.....

If the posters who made the references are Irish, my post is accurate.

I did not suggest that every single post contained those references.

byhookorbycrook · 17-02-2016 08:15PM

Stories like this don't really help the Traveller cause,"nine of the 16 families on the halting site were refusing to move some 180m into the new scheme in a standoff over payments and facilities for their horses. "

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/travellers-in-cork-agree-to-move-into-euro5m-estate-after-standoff-336702.html

esforum · 17-02-2016 11:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Combative? Going for the jugular?

I think it was you who were swearing in a post to another poster who was simply giving her experience, and you took issue with how she presented it.

We can go back and check?

Please do, you will realise I wasnt cursing at her nor was I suggesting she believed she lived in the sea which is what you took from it. I was using the word to add exclamation to a statement.

So in other words, no you didnt get my comment

17-02-2016 11:35PM

esforum wrote: »

Please do, you will realise I wasnt cursing at her nor was I suggesting she believed she lived in the sea which is what you took from it.

I understood the sea reference was a metaphor. I appreciate you don't actually live in the sea.

And I said you swore in the post, which you did, not that you swore at her.

KERSPLAT! · 18-02-2016 04:32PM

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Strong garda presence at Galway Airport amid illegal Traveller encampment

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