Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

beno619 wrote: »

I haven't seen anyone point out the Butt appointment as negative.

I have seen well thought out responses for pro's & con's of the appointment but in general people seem happy.

Nobody has called it negative, but the usual suspects won't let that stop their little digs regardless.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Butt was very successful in the role, for me the interesting questions come not from Butt himself, but from the process that put him there and what it means for the first team. The similarities between Butt and Giggs are too pronounced to pass without comment.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Tbf Butt has his badges. He seems like grounded lad, who won't be big headed, but also a Club Legend.

He has to start somewhere and I think Youths is good start

I welcome the appointment.

He is head of the academy.

His job will be mostly administrative - scouts/coaches etc report to him. He will be in charge of youth staff appointments and overall player reruitment.

He won't be coaching players (so badges not an issue) and as for starting somewhere... its not a team managerial position, I don't see it as a position you could transition to first team management from. Far more likely to transition to a sporting director/director of football role. Which is basically what his role will be, but for the youth sides.

brinty wrote: »

do all those people who give out about the Liverpool "boot room culture" realise this is repeated at the best club in the world
and guesss who everyone was crying out for us to get
a certain P Guardiola...
Guess where he came from.. the Barca bootroom...

uggghhhh some perspective people

Also the boot room culture didn't work to bad with Shankly, Paisley, Dalglish and Fagan. It was only when Souness came in after that it didn't work.

Upside to Butt's appointment is that he's a local lad and hopefully he will have more of a knowledge of the local areas and leagues and their respective quality than another appointment. Regardless there won't be much Butt can do if we don't get the structure right first.

bangkok wrote: »

I other non Nicky Butt related news this morning...

On Monday, Van Gaal told reporters:

"Bastian has been unlucky because he picked up an injury at a time that he was playing very well; he was improving.

"However, during December I said that I expect more and he was very disappointed I said that, but I think I can say that because my expectation is higher.

"Manchester United has bought him even though he is now 31, so I had to convince the board to buy him, because he’s a very good player and he always gives a team more balance."

Well done Louis, punch the player while he is down. Moral in the dressing room must be at a serious low

So during our worst spell in December you have a problem with the manager telling players they need to improve?

Once posters on here turn on a manager or cheif exec some of the biased stuff that gets written is really cringey.

bangkok wrote: »

I other non Nicky Butt related news this morning...

On Monday, Van Gaal told reporters:

"Bastian has been unlucky because he picked up an injury at a time that he was playing very well; he was improving.

"However, during December I said that I expect more and he was very disappointed I said that, but I think I can say that because my expectation is higher.

"Manchester United has bought him even though he is now 31, so I had to convince the board to buy him, because he’s a very good player and he always gives a team more balance."

Well done Louis, punch the player while he is down. Moral in the dressing room must be at a serious low

Schweinsteiger has been practically immobile in most of his performances for Utd. I don't think Van Gaal saying that he expects more is even close to punching him while he's down. I'd be more worried if a comment like that caused low morale than low morale tbh.

There's no doubt at this stage that Van Gaal has failed spectacularly in his role as manager, nor is there any doubt that the board have been entirely negligent in not sacking him, but that still doesn't excuse a lot of the football that the team are providing. They're either very limited as footballers or they're not trying 100%. The truth is it's a bit of both.

"I said that I expect more and he was very disappointed I said that"

I can think of a very obvious reason why Bastian might be disappointed in a situation like that.

Heres a world cup winner, moved to one of the world biggest clubs, and instead of the well oiled machine he was expecting he finds he is in a team that is completely dysfunctional, that look like they never played together and that the manager can't get working at all. Nothing is working, the manager can't get his ideas across, the players aren't comfortable in the systems and its all a bit miserable. The experienced player wants this to work but everything is a bit **** and its dragging him down.

Then the manager comes and tells him he isn't doing enough. It would take a very good man not to think "I'm not doing enough? Maybe if this team was run properly I'd get a chance to play well ffs, don't blame me for this crap..."

Nalz wrote: »

While you're being open there Louis, explain your philosophy if ya can good lad

:pac:

In all seriousness, has he ever comprehensively explained what his philosophy is? And whether he has already implemented it at Utd? Or is he still trying to? Has he given up trying to? Not meaning to take the piss or anything but it would be interesting and quite fair I think to receive answers to these questions from Van Gaal.

Canadel wrote: »

His movement and overall fitness reminds me of Falcao.

I've often wondered about the coaching at the club as well.

StringerBell wrote: »

So you would look to blame others instinctively and refuse to consider any personal responsibility for your own work......great.

No doubt you would ignore that the player in question is an incredibly experienced and respected figure who did not get where he was without a lot of hard work and dedication. No, he is probably just being lazy and looking for others to blame. That would indeed be the obvious reason for him to be disappointed at being told he isn't doing well enough. Good man.

LVG is perfectly entitled to criticise players, doesn't mean it's a good idea but you just hava to trust that he knows what he's doing.