General Election 2016 - Louth Constituiency

tayto lover · 12-02-2016 5:09pm

event wrote: »

Pothole politics 101. Dont bother looking to the country as a hole, but what can be done for you. Its partially what got the country in the state its in. At local council elections, this may work but for actual government elections you should vote for a good candidate who will be with a party who have a chance of being in power. Alternatively vote for someone who is maybe not going to do so well this time but has a chance for building for the next run.

You have to look long term for these elections IMO.

Its all well and good voting for the local independent who says he'll open the hospital. But its basically a spoiled vote if he wont get in to the dail.

And what has Fitzer done for us? What has FG done for the area in the last 5 years? Sod all.

White Horse · 12-02-2016 9:56pm

tayto lover wrote: »

And what has Fitzer done for us? What has FG done for the area in the last 5 years? Sod all.

I'm not sure what world you are living in but there are a lot more jobs and businesses are expanding not closing down.

I am not arguing that they have been brilliant and have not made mistakes. That would be silly.

However, it is equally silly to argue that we are not in a far better place than we were five years ago.

tayto lover · 12-02-2016 10:01pm

White Horse wrote: »

I'm not sure what world you are living in but there are a lot more jobs and businesses are expanding not closing down.

I am not arguing that they have been brilliant and have not made mistakes. That would be silly.

However, it is equally silly to argue that we are not in a far better place than we were five years ago.

Loads of businesses have closed too and loads of shops in the town are boarded up. But keep the old FG flag flying nonetheless.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 12-02-2016 10:07pm

tayto lover wrote: »

And what has Fitzer done for us? What has FG done for the area in the last 5 years? Sod all.

Ah now, look around you. Employment is well up in Dundalk. Shops are finally getting busy again. Restaurants and Cafes are doing good business. The Marshes is at 100% occupancy and expanding.

Fitzer may not be vocal and perhaps doesn't do much overt work but as a government FG seem to have dragged us back to somewhere more palatable.

tayto lover · 12-02-2016 10:12pm

Saoirse Spoiled Camel wrote: »

Ah now, look around you. Employment is well up in Dundalk. Shops are finally getting busy again. Restaurants and Cafes are doing good business. The Marshes is at 100% occupancy and expanding.

Fitzer may not be vocal and perhaps doesn't do much overt work but as a government FG seem to have dragged us back to somewhere more palatable.

Nothing that's happening in Dundalk has anything top do with Fitzer.
Have you evidence that employment is well up?
I see as more shops closing than opening.
The Marshes is doing well but with it the Longwalk is losing shops and Carroll Village is completely closed.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 12-02-2016 10:27pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Nothing that's happening in Dundalk has anything top do with Fitzer.
Have you evidence that employment is well up?
I see as more shops closing than opening.
The Marshes is doing well but with it the Longwalk is losing shops and Carroll Village is completely closed.

I said Fitzer may not have done anything that we can see but FG seem to have.

Carroll Village started to die in 2009. If memory serves me right that was under the previous government.
The decline of the Long Walk is also going back years. The development of the new Tesco is a big plus though.

Unemployment in Dundalk in down 18.5% in the last year alone.

I don't think they are perfect but you can't blankly say FG have done nothing for this area.

White Horse · 12-02-2016 10:58pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Nothing that's happening in Dundalk has anything top do with Fitzer.
Have you evidence that employment is well up?
I see as more shops closing than opening.
The Marshes is doing well but with it the Longwalk is losing shops and Carroll Village is completely closed.

The retail sector is the last sector of the economy to recover. It is also the first to suffer in a downturn.

Just look at the employments statistics for Louth and the country. They show that the recovery has started.

The question people have to ask themselves is whether they want it to continue.

10green bottles · 13-02-2016 1:00am

We came from a low base so the only way was upwards.
The lab/fine gael goverment delivered nothing on health or housing(Labour huh!) which are two key elements here.Nobody on the bottom rung of this so called economic recovery you speak off are feeling it.People are STILL being evicted from their homes,people still have to face long queues in a&e wards,lot's of decent,well educated people are working in dead-end jobs/schemes for nothing and our best talent is abroad and will never come back!! If thats what you want to vote for to continue then grand but i'll be having none of it.We are a sell-out country imo,we've sold everything to capitalist greed(natural resources included)& we bulk up already rich ex-politicians pensions without a thought.

Unemployment down 18.5% in Louth or in Ireland is laughable Sramaeen,near everyone of my mates lives in Canada,Australia,USA or London etc..tell you anything?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-02-2016 9:54am

10green bottles wrote: »

Unemployment down 18.5% in Louth or in Ireland is laughable Sramaeen,near everyone of my mates lives in Canada,Australia,USA or London etc..tell you anything?

Look, I'm not trying to promote or defend the current government (I didn't even vote for them) but I can go by facts. Yes, in the last 12 months unemployment in Dundalk reduced by 18.5%. It dropped in the previous year too but I don't have the figures.

Every member of my family, without exception, is now in very decent employment that they trained for and enjoy. This was not so 5 years ago....tell you anything?

10green bottles · 13-02-2016 11:43am

Yeah it does but let's just leave it there....."is now in very decent employment that they trained for and enjoy" Throw that line up to FG hq,they'll love it

pen123 · 13-02-2016 11:59am

Something I have noticed is that Peter Fitzpatrick is actively canvassing the Mid-Louth area & has lots of posters everywhere. I don't remember him doing that in the 2011 GE. I don't what Fergus O'Dowd would think about this as this area was always canvassed by him. Maybe FG have a strategy here or it could be just every man for himself. For a man who wasn't sure he was going to run Fitzpatrick seems to be throwing the kitchen sink at this. I am sure Fergus O'Dowd is safe enough though.

Fianna Fail don't really seem to have a good strategy, a bit all over the place There should be a FF seat there but I don't think Fianna Fail will get a huge amount of votes in Mid or South Louth so Breathnach will be relying on a lot of votes in Dundalk & North Louth. Coffey won't be getting much votes anywhere, the so called South Louth candidate who is from Dundalk. What happened to James Carroll? He polled well in 2011, a good bit better than Breathnach.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-02-2016 12:03pm

pen123 wrote: »

Something I have noticed is that Peter Fitzpatrick is actively canvassing the Mid-Louth area & has lots of posters everywhere. I don't remember him doing that in the 2011 GE. I don't what Fergus O'Dowd would think about this as this area was always canvassed by him. Maybe FG have a strategy here or it could be just every man for himself. For a man who wasn't sure he was going to run Fitzpatrick seems to be throwing the kitchen sink at this. I am sure Fergus O'Dowd is safe enough though.

Fianna Fail don't really seem to have a good strategy, a bit all over the place There should be a FF seat there but I don't think Fianna Fail will get a huge amount of votes in Mid or South Louth so Breathnach will be relying on a lot of votes in Dundalk & North Louth. Coffey won't be getting much votes anywhere, the so called South Louth candidate who is from Dundalk. What happened to James Carroll? He polled well in 2011, a good bit better than Breathnach.

I'm not sure what FF are trying to do. Coffey posters are all over Dundalk at the expense of Breathnach posters. They need to sort their strategy out. I suspect Breathnach might scrape in though. O'Dowd seems safe.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-02-2016 12:28pm

10green bottles wrote: »

Yeah it does but let's just leave it there....."is now in very decent employment that they trained for and enjoy" Throw that line up to FG hq,they'll love it

You lost me there. Just a snide remark when I simply told the truth was it? I have no intention of conversing with any HQ of any party.

White Horse · 13-02-2016 2:11pm

pen123 wrote: »

Something I have noticed is that Peter Fitzpatrick is actively canvassing the Mid-Louth area & has lots of posters everywhere. I don't remember him doing that in the 2011 GE. I don't what Fergus O'Dowd would think about this as this area was always canvassed by him. Maybe FG have a strategy here or it could be just every man for himself. For a man who wasn't sure he was going to run Fitzpatrick seems to be throwing the kitchen sink at this. I am sure Fergus O'Dowd is safe enough though.

Fianna Fail don't really seem to have a good strategy, a bit all over the place There should be a FF seat there but I don't think Fianna Fail will get a huge amount of votes in Mid or South Louth so Breathnach will be relying on a lot of votes in Dundalk & North Louth. Coffey won't be getting much votes anywhere, the so called South Louth candidate who is from Dundalk. What happened to James Carroll? He polled well in 2011, a good bit better than Breathnach.

FG seems to have given Mid-Louth to Fitzer. I think this is due to O'Dowd being very strong in east Meath. FF inexplicably have no candidates from Drogheda or east Meath.

There are 3,000 FG votes in mid Louth. The idea being that these will compensate for any loss of votes in Dundalk and north Louth.

tayto lover · 13-02-2016 2:13pm

White Horse wrote: »

FG seems to have given Mid-Louth to Fitzer. I think this is due to O'Dowd being very strong in east Meath. FF inexplicably have no candidates from Drogheda or east Meath.

There are 3,000 FG votes in mid Louth. The idea being that these will compensate for any loss of votes in Dundalk and north Louth.

But if they're doing such a great job why would they lose votes in Dundalk or north Louth.

White Horse · 13-02-2016 4:13pm

tayto lover wrote: »

But if they're doing such a great job why would they lose votes in Dundalk or north Louth.

They benefited in 2011 from a bounce due the the immense anger at the FF/Green government.

People have short memories and some of the FF support that deserted them in 2011 will return.

I expect FG's vote to be several points down in 2015. One out of three voters will still vote for them, a ratio other parties would love to have.

sunshine and showers · 14-02-2016 3:15pm

Any idea what Maeve Yore is actually running on? Her website is so incredibly vague. Two lines on different policy areas in very wishy washy language. Obviously our health system is a shambles, but what do you want to do with it?

I'm not electing you for stating the bloody obvious. I need more information if you want my vote!

And I know Independents can't implement massive changes, if any. But I still want someone with some ideas about what to do!

mada999 · 14-02-2016 6:59pm

Saoirse Spoiled Camel wrote: »

getting this country working and out of debt.

Out of Debt ? Then maybe you should be more annoyed by Enda lying to you when he said he was going to go and seek a reduction in the countries debt, but no you'll go ahead and reward him with another vote.. good stuff.

Getting this country working ? Maybe you should also look at the current 'unemployment figures' that have been massaged to pieces with Job Bridge. Imagine the figure was off set with the emmigration figures? Maybe the current govt should try and hold on to our qualified nurses and doctors (since we have paid most of their Eductation) instead of pushing them out of the country and then paying silly contract fees for inferior ones from abroad.

And the big one? Health - You cant work if you are sick, and they have actually made the health service worse. But dont worry, they reduced funding to local authorities for water services and then prioritised (the biggest quango of all) Irish water over the health service.. but yup give FG another vote they deserve it.

Cronyism? Sure you dont have to look much further than a local TD who employed a family member as soon as they got in..

YUP FG all the way

mada999 · 14-02-2016 7:02pm

pen123 wrote: »

Sinn Fein/PBP/AAA promising the earth & the moon to the electorate.

We won't have to pay for anything, everything will be free. Looking forward to this glorious socialist republic, it worked so well in Venezuela after all.

FG/Labour did the exact thing the last time around as well if i recall and failed on so many counts.

Do you not remember "Not another red cent" or "Labour's way or Frankfurts" way ?

White Horse · 14-02-2016 8:59pm

sunshine and showers wrote: »

Any idea what Maeve Yore is actually running on? Her website is so incredibly vague. Two lines on different policy areas in very wishy washy language. Obviously our health system is a shambles, but what do you want to do with it?

I'm not electing you for stating the bloody obvious. I need more information if you want my vote!

And I know Independents can't implement massive changes, if any. But I still want someone with some ideas about what to do!

Independents are running for a job that pays well.

Unless they happen to hold the balance of power, the only winners from them getting a seat are themselves.

tayto lover · 14-02-2016 9:03pm

White Horse wrote: »

Independents are running for a job that pays well.

Unless they happen to hold the balance of power, the only winners from them getting a seat are themselves.

There are no winners from any party or individual getting a seat in reality.
I don't feel any richer under FG. In fact i am a lot worse off financially.
I was the same under FF after 2008.
I have been voting for well over 40 years and this time I might actually give it a miss. Nobody worth voting for. All self-servers.

White Horse · 14-02-2016 9:07pm

tayto lover wrote: »

There are no winners from any party or individual getting a seat in reality.
I don't feel any richer under FG. In fact i am a lot worse off financially.
I was the same under FF after 2008.
I have been voting for well over 40 years and this time I might actually give it a miss. Nobody worth voting for. All self-servers.

Five years ago I was facing years and years of increased taxes and the prospect of my children having to emigrate to get a job.

At this moment in time, I am looking at years of tax reductions and the realistic prospect of my teenage children being able to get a job in this country, if that is what they want.

That is not a prospect I want to put at risk.

tayto lover · 14-02-2016 9:32pm

White Horse wrote: »

Five years ago I was facing years and years of increased taxes and the prospect of my children having to emigrate to get a job.

At this moment in time, I am looking at years of tax reductions and the realistic prospect of my teenage children being able to get a job in this country, if that is what they want.

That is not a prospect I want to put at risk.

You are lucky your kids are at the right age now.
Many were not so lucky.
About 300,000 young people have left these shores in the last few years due to there being no prospects here.

IvoryTower · 14-02-2016 9:45pm

Well it wasn't them that got us into this mess to be fair

White Horse · 14-02-2016 9:49pm

tayto lover wrote: »

You are lucky your kids are at the right age now.
Many were not so lucky.
About 300,000 young people have left these shores in the last few years due to there being no prospects here.

I agree. The seeds for that disaster were sown in the Bertie years. I criticise the outgoing government for quite a few failings, but the not for the management of the economy.

They have taken the economy from a situation of meltdown to being the strongest growing economy in Europe.

The continuation of that economic management is my number one priority come polling say.

tayto lover · 14-02-2016 10:21pm

White Horse wrote: »

I agree. The seeds for that disaster were sown in the Bertie years. I criticise the outgoing government for quite a few failings, but the not for the management of the economy.

They have taken the economy from a situation of meltdown to being the strongest growing economy in Europe.

The continuation of that economic management is my number one priority come polling say.

So how will you feel if FG go into a coalition with FF?
FF should not be allowed run the country with or without FG.
How else will FG make up the numbers. Labour will be wiped-out.

I think we'll be voting again shortly after this General Election.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 14-02-2016 10:40pm

A FG/FF coalition won't happen.

I agree the next government may be a relatively a short one.

White Horse · 14-02-2016 10:43pm

tayto lover wrote: »

So how will you feel if FG go into a coalition with FF?
FF should not be allowed run the country with or without FG.
How else will FG make up the numbers. Labour will be wiped-out.

I think we'll be voting again shortly after this General Election.

It could be very interesting.

If the poll numbers stay the same, there will be two options, a FG/FF coalition or a FF/SF/Ind coalition.

President Higgins will not allow another election to be called if there are two plausible options. It is his prerogative remember (and he is a Labour man).

It is a nightmare choice for FF, but the golden rule is to be the largest party in a coalition. I expect FF to opt for coalition with SF in those circumstances and for Micheal Martin to be Taoiseach.

Then we are all fecked.

10green bottles · 15-02-2016 1:25am

Presidential prerogative is not limited to what party the President is from so don't make it out as if it is ' (and he is a Labour man )'
Paddy Power conduct surveys and get others to do the same on their behalf as well as taking on board other surveys such as RedC and IBP

here's how they bet;
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/irish-politics
Hung Dail not quoted.

event · 15-02-2016 1:44am

tayto lover wrote: »

And what has Fitzer done for us? What has FG done for the area in the last 5 years? Sod all.

I didnt mention voting for Fitzer or FG.

General Election 2016 - Louth Constituiency

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