Irelands call - can someone explain this to me?

sabat · 13-02-2016 08:22PM

Caring about anthems and flags, constantly going on about (a usually distorted view of) history, claiming that your race possesses some unique set of characteristics etc- These are hallmarks of a moron . If I ever got into power I'd ban all that sh1t together with anniversaries, military parades etc.

RobertKK · 13-02-2016 08:31PM

endacl wrote: »

Can the lyrics of any song not be changed?

Yes, but Ireland's call is so simple it used words that rhymes with words that means the opposite, or a negative to the original.
It is on the same level as Baa, baa black sheep as a song.

Junkyard Tom · 13-02-2016 08:36PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Offensive? Hahahahaha!

Northern Ireland should have their own team

I've only ever heard that suggested once before by a particularly bitter northern unionist politician.

Patww79 wrote: »

At least if it's going to take the name of only one country making up the team then use the flag and anthem to go along with the name.

You'll note it's called the 6 Nations not 6 Countries. Nations are not necessarily countries and can be aggregates of people. I'd say most of the players from Ulster would be okay with being of the Irish nation (of people) but would consider themselves politically British.

dslamjack · 13-02-2016 08:47PM

TO settle all argument's either adopt Michael Healy Rae's musical offering or the winner of this year's Eurovision,although 4 road's to Glenamaddy by Big Tom is a cracking tune ,as is ''don't close the lid till I kiss me mammy goodbye'' by wee Daniel,always bring's a tear to me eye.Actually ,''Drop kick me sweet Jesus,thru the goalpost's of life'' again by wee Daniel,it's a right ripping tune,it's a very silly auld foreign game anyway,with rules nobody understand's,I mean what's with throwing a funny looking ball side way's anyway,replace it with cricket,it's the main game on the mainland anyway.

Jimoslimos · 13-02-2016 09:25PM

My name is URL wrote: »

In fairness, most songs / anthems would sound pathetic when compared to La Marseillaise

Italian one isn't bad either.

I like Amhrán na bhFiann, but for an all-island team I'm not overly fussed if it doesn't get played. Ireland's Call is just fcuking atrocious though.

recylingbin · 13-02-2016 09:32PM

It's just some crappy tune that's meant to be all incluive so that people from Dublin would play too.

razorblunt · 13-02-2016 09:36PM

I care little for it, my main grip though is that there should be a verse at least in Irish.

Allyall · 13-02-2016 09:50PM

No matter if it is an anthem, presumed to be an anthem, for one Nation, a Country, two Nations, an International team or a collective of beings...

That song is the worst ear bashing cráp ever written.

On the One Road would be the song to sing

Coulters version sounds like it was jotted down in 5 minutes.

Stinicker · 14-02-2016 12:56AM

I wish we could have a national anthem with the words Fianna Fail removed. Any connection to a corrupt party of traitors who bankrupted Ireland and cost thousands of people their lives should be removed.

jester77 · 14-02-2016 01:11AM

For a land that is famous for its poetry, song writing and story telling, Ireland's Call is truly an embarrassment.

endacl · 14-02-2016 01:30AM

jester77 wrote: »

For a land that is famous for its poetry, song writing and story telling, Ireland's Call is truly an embarrassment.

From the same pen that gave the world...

and

ted1 · 14-02-2016 01:32AM

katemarch wrote: »

Have you ever tried translating Amhrán na bhFiann into plain English?

-- it doesn't exactly endorse the peace process. Very much NOT.

It was originally written in English

ted1 · 14-02-2016 01:33AM

Patww79 wrote: »

It's offensive and this current rugby fad is worryingly making it acceptable.

Either Northern Ireland should have their own team, they should play with one of their own sides, or the team shouldn't be called Ireland.

Stick to following Soccer, don't bother commenting on sports you don't understand

twowheelsonly · 14-02-2016 01:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's just so...lame.

Why not a verse or 2 of Danny Boy or some other song if the anthem was unacceptable?

Because it's pub song and even more cringeworthy. Pre-existing songs generally speaking don't really work as anthems and IMO a purposely written one is better... (See next quote for prime example.. :rolleyes: )

Karsini wrote: »

It used to be worse. Before 1995 they used the Rose of Tralee! No joke.

pauliebdub wrote: »

I can understand and accept why it exists, but it's such a poor song. I cringe whenever I hear it and it compares very poorly against La Marseillaise.

Scrap it and get someone to write a stirring anthem for the team!

Off with ya... we eagerly await your submission !!

Just be prepared to get lashed out of it and have at least one thread every February dedicated to your efforts

washman3 · 14-02-2016 11:29PM

Tigger wrote: »

Ireland is the Island; this Island, the team is from this island

Ah, not really. Of the team that finished yesterday's game 5 players were born and raised outside Ireland and their only affiliation here is that they make their living playing for provincial sides. These provincial sides are business ventures rather than sportsmen representing their province.

Nathan White - born and raised in New Zealand.
CJ Stander - born and raised in South Africa
Richardt Strauss - born and raised in South Africa.
Jared Payne - born and raised in New Zealand.

So the team may live on the island but not all are from the island.
The 4 mentioned have previously represented their country of birth at some level.
Should we now have another weird Anthem for them.
Irelands Call was written by Phil Coulter, an RTE and media 'darling'

KingBrian2 · 14-02-2016 11:33PM

One More Toy wrote: »

Why is our national anthem shunned in favour of this simplistic joke of a song that could have been written by a five year old?

It's a nice anthem and is agreeable to British-Irish ears.

blueser · 14-02-2016 11:36PM

I understand the political necessity of having such a song, but it's a horrible song/anthem/whatever you want to class it as.

steddyeddy · 14-02-2016 11:44PM

One More Toy wrote: »

Why is our national anthem shunned in favour of this simplistic joke of a song that could have been written by a five year old?

This. I have never heard a more puerile song in my life.

desertcircus · 14-02-2016 11:45PM

What's bizarre is that outside of Ireland, people tend to view Ireland's Call in a really positive light. There's obviously no formal ranking of these things, but it's reasonably common to see it directly referenced as "God, our anthem is a dirge, why can't we be like the Irish and get something like Ireland's Call?".

KingBrian2 · 14-02-2016 11:46PM

blueser wrote: »

I understand the political necessity of having such a song, but it's a horrible song/anthem/whatever you want to class it as.

Ah now come on! like most things in life Film, Art, Music & Sex. It's subjective.

blueser · 14-02-2016 11:49PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Ah now come on! like most things in life Film, Art, Music & Sex. It's subjective.

Absolutely; I agree 100% with you. It's all about opinion. I think I'm safe in assuming you don't agree with me? Fine; I have no problem with that whatsoever.

It is horrible though!

By the way; what is this "sex" thing you speak of?

KingBrian2 · 14-02-2016 11:51PM

blueser wrote: »

Absolutely; I agree 100% with you. It's all about opinion. I think I'm safe in assuming you don't agree with me? Fine; I have no problem with that whatsoever.

It is horrible though!

By the way; what is this "sex" thing you speak of?

Some people like it and others don't as for the anthems I like both anthems.

mansize · 15-02-2016 12:19AM

I like Ireland's call, sang it with pride amongst Frenchmen in Stade de France yesterday.

But La Marseillaise is the best anthem I have heard imho. I love they way they spontaneously burst out singing it during the match.

timthumbni · 15-02-2016 12:27AM

mansize wrote: »

I like Ireland's call, sang it with pride amongst Frenchmen in Stade de France yesterday.

But La Marseillaise is the best anthem I have heard imho. I love they way they spontaneously burst out singing it during the match.

Aye, plenty of time for the frogs to learn how to sing whilst the rest fight for you. In fairness maybe the Northern Irish guys need to be kept right as well. What about the sash or gstq being played as well as the soldiers song? ;-)

mansize · 15-02-2016 12:29AM

Allons enfants de la Patrie, Arise, children of our Nation,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé ! The day of glory has arrived!
Contre nous de la tyrannie, Against us tyranny's
L'étendard sanglant est levé, (bis) Bloody banner is raised, (repeat)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes Do you hear, in the countryside,
Mugir ces féroces soldats ? The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras They're coming right into your arms
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes ! To cut the throats of your sons, your women!

Aux armes, citoyens, To arms, citizens,
Formez vos bataillons, Form your battalions,
Marchons, marchons ! Let's march, let's march!
Qu'un sang impur Let an impure blood
Abreuve nos sillons ! Soak our fields!

mansize · 15-02-2016 12:30AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Aye, plenty of time for the frogs to learn how to sing whilst the rest fight for you. In fairness maybe the Northern Irish guys need to be kept right as well. What about the sash or gstq being played as well as the soldiers song? ;-)

Say what?

timthumbni · 15-02-2016 12:37AM

mansize wrote: »

Say what?

I jest. I think nearly all national anthems are crap. The French have a good tune and really enjoyed it in escape to victory.

I don't think in rugby the anthem is that big an issue for the Northern Irish fellas even if they unionists. Think they can get beyond politics and I suspect they are more concerned with an 18 stone muscled monster grabbing their goolies.

MrYlad · 15-02-2016 12:38AM

I posted a thread on this previously in the Rugby forum; but it was against the charter and was removed. So I might as well add what I had said to this:
National anthems are a huge part of the build-up to international matches, particularly in competitions such as the World Cup and the ongoing Six Nations. They really set the tone for an exciting match; with hype being a huge part of sports in today's world.
The Welsh and Scottish anthems at home are, in my opinion, great example of passionate, prideful and elated anthems when sung. The French anthem, of course, is another obvious paragon.
And then there's Ireland's Call. Opinion is divided on this one. Yes, it's catchy; but is 'catchiness' really that important when it comes to a Nation's anthem? Personally, I feel a national anthem should encompass a nation's history, culture and pride. It should be suited to its use, i.e. to be sung passionately and loudly by the team and fans in a stadium. I think Ireland's Call verges on being rather 'pop song-ish'; its lyrics (1st verse pasted below) seem much too generic, not saying much about our Nation's rich heritage and history - and its melody doesn't, to me, resemble a historic song sung by our Irish ancestors.
But then again, this is all just my opinion. I'd like to hear other opinions on it, I feel it should be discussed. Amhrán na bhFiann is a great anthem, but of course it's questionable whether it's appropriate to the whole island of Ireland.
I'm not sure what the alternatives are - Fields of Athenry springs to mind, but again I'm not sure if it encompasses our history and heritage. I'd like to hear your opinions. Rant over, finally!

"Come the day and come the hour, Come the power and the glory! We have come to answer our country's call, From the four proud provinces of Ireland
Ireland, Ireland,
Together standing tall!
Shoulder to shoulder,
We'll answer Ireland's call!"

super_furry · 15-02-2016 12:41AM

While we're on about weird rugby songs, why do Munster fans sing Fields of Athenry like it's their anthem? Athenry is in Connacht.

Berserker · 15-02-2016 12:41AM

mansize wrote: »

But La Marseillaise is the best anthem I have heard imho. I love they way they spontaneously burst out singing it during the match.

La M is a very gruesome and bloody anthem. Always surprised to hear people sing along to the tune.

super_furry wrote: »

While we're on about weird rugby songs, why do Munster fans sing Fields of Athenry likes it's their anthem?

Up there with AnF for dreariness.

Irelands call - can someone explain this to me?

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