Strong garda presence at Galway Airport amid illegal Traveller encampment

Has anybody got a link to traveller sites in Dublin, I have a theory that while they could be built anywhere they are not built in the richest suburbs.

Right...... So they're gone from the airport anyway so?

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I have to laugh at the complete lack of self awareness in much of the hatred.

Hatred? That's a leap. I never expressed hatred. I simply said "society" is not responsible for problems travellers experience, aspects of traveller culture itself are the cause - lack of education being the main one; there is no state policy to deny traveller children an education. I don't understand why you are so hellbent on denying this. What good does denial do? And I am in favour of the state offering to help out travellers, especially the kids, but I am not in favour of abdication of personal responsibility. An integral part of traveller culture is to segregate itself from non traveller society - what's this stuff about "society" marginalising them?

I'm not prejudiced...but travellers really are criminals.

No, plenty of travellers aren't.

If I hated travellers, I wouldn't want them to have improved lives. I absolutely do - I want anyone in society to have improved lives, but change has to come from within. What is wrong with saying this? It's as if the fair thing would be to say travellers have no responsibility to improve their own situation, the problems do not come from within their own communities, and they are all society's fault and society should take the blame. How would that benefit travellers?
If there were no supports offered to travellers, you'd have a point, but there are numerous supports offered to travellers, including protected ethnic minority status.

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I'm not sure many claim it.

I haven't seen anyone here say "things are the same across both populations".

I say things are different. Crime rates are higher. As they are amongst black people and native Americans in the States. As they are amongst indigenous Australians in Oz. But in those communities people are much more willing to accept society's role in creating that difference, and what society owes to address issues. Here people are more likely to say "but they get too much, they don't deserve it, they do nothing for themselves, it's not our fault at all"

Thats a pretty valid point however perhaps there is a more honest opinion voiced in Ireland because they share the same race as the mainstream society.
Take the black community in the US, they do suffer systemic discrimination including by the justice system but you also have to look at the issues internal to the community, cops in America may be racist but they aren't going around framing black guys for murdering other black guys.
Or look at the data involving single parent families by ethnicity in the USA, while some of this may be caused by the high rates of black men being imprisoned this can't account for the fact that 67% of black kids are in single parent families, that figure is crazily high and can't simply be blamed on external factors

Compare it to Hispanic population in the USA which encounters many of the same problems as the Black community, racism, being perceived as criminals, poverty. Yet they have a far superior outcomes (single parent family rate is 40% for example and the other measures show the same thing).

Other examples of what this idea is the way the Catholic population in NI after generations of systemic discrimination once these barriers were removed now out performs the formerly privileged community in many ways or the Hindu community in mainland Britain which is amazingly successful despite earlier racial discrimination, similarly consider African immigrants in the USA compared to "African Americans" they are doing far better.

No group should suffer from discrimination but you can't not ignore how the community itself responds to discrimination, does it fracture or does it thrive despite the challenges it faces.

For the native Australian issue, they suffered relentless oppression but within modern society how does one combine a a desire for all Australians to live to a first world standard without completely erasing Aboriginal culture (which if your not looking at it as a starry eyed searcher for deeper spiritual meaning had a lot of pretty brutal aspects to it and would not be a life most people would choose).
This is true for the Traveller community in Ireland too to a lesser extent, in the 18th/19th century the settled population was just as into faction fighting and feuding etc and there was roles that the community filled. In the 20th century these roles have disappeared and society in general has changed.