Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

Ol' Donie · 06-02-2016 01:27AM

Woah. Only Henry, Berhkamp and Vieira have made more appearences under Arsene Wenger than Theo.

L'prof · 06-02-2016 07:25AM

Been on a bad run the last month but certainly have the players to turn it around. City only 2 points ahead, so that ground can be made up with a good run. I'd expect them to be able to claw back Leicester too. 14 games is a lot to turn things around. I'm disappointed right now but I know full well with a few wins everybody will be far more confident.

CurryFlavoured · 06-02-2016 07:32AM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Woah. Only Henry, Berhkamp and Vieira have made more appearences under Arsene Wenger than Theo.

That makes me sad, average player.

gosplan · 06-02-2016 07:42AM

L'prof wrote: »

Been on a bad run the last month but certainly have the players to turn it around. City only 2 points ahead, so that ground can be made up with a good run. I'd expect them to be able to claw back Leicester too. 14 games is a lot to turn things around. I'm disappointed right now but I know full well with a few wins everybody will be far more confident.

We basically got rid of all our wriggle room.

This season is not so different. It's just that the other teams aren't great either.

So in the past we'd need a decent run to secure top 4, now a decent run will take us back top.

It's all about form though.

We have to find it now.

06-02-2016 07:47AM

The crazy thing is we could easily be back level on top by the end of next weekend.

L'prof · 06-02-2016 08:28AM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Most league goals he has scored in a season is 14. Last 3 seasons league goals read, 5, 5, 14. He currently has 3 this season. He is a goal every 4 game player just like Welbeck, but I think Welbeck can improve on that. Personally cant see Walcott improving.

Walcott's biggest problem is fitness although he hasn't impressed since coming back from injury. But to dismiss his efforts in previous seasons is doing him a complete disservice! Looking at his league stats alone. Not too shabby if you take into consideration how many minutes he's actually played!:

Season|Apps|Mins|Goals|Assists|GPG|GPG/A|MPG|MPG/A
'15-'16|18|1181|3|2|6|3.6|393.7|236.2
'14-'15|14|442|5|0|2.8|2.8|88.4|88.4
'13-'14|13|859|5|4|2.6|1.4|171.8|95.4
'12-'13|32|2286|14|10|2.3|1.3|163.3|95.3
'11-'12|35|2749|8|8|4.4|2.2|343.6|171.8
'10-'11|28|1696|9|7|3.1|1.75|188.4|106
'09-'10|33|1132|3|2|11|6.6|377.3|226.4

FixitFelix · 06-02-2016 09:50AM

Id have a fit Welbeck in the team before a fit Walcott, Walcott has not improved since joining his decision making and ball control are absolutely shocking, whats the point in have all that pace if you cant beat a player. He might score the odd cracker but any player us capable of that (chambers last week).
Welbeck has a better football brain and a better eye for goal although neither are prolific, just think Welbeck would take more chances

greendom · 06-02-2016 10:31AM

FixitFelix wrote: »

Id have a fit Welbeck in the team before a fit Walcott, Walcott has not improved since joining his decision making and ball control are absolutely shocking, whats the point in have all that pace if you cant beat a player. He might score the odd cracker but any player us capable of that (chambers last week).
Welbeck has a better football brain and a better eye for goal although neither are prolific, just think Welbeck would take more chances

I'd definitely rate Walcott's finishing ahead of Welbeck's.

FixitFelix · 06-02-2016 10:42AM

greendom wrote:

I'd definitely rate Walcott's finishing ahead of Welbeck's.

I guess we'll agree to disagree in this one

wonga77 · 06-02-2016 10:45AM

Walcott V Welbeck in terms of finishing is not something everyone's gonna agree on. I do think Welbeck would offer more to the team though, Walcott is completely invisible at times

Oranage2 · 06-02-2016 10:49AM

Maybe my memory is bad but I can't remember Welbeck ever been that good besides the hat rock against gala I think and the goal against United.

FixitFelix · 06-02-2016 10:58AM

Oranage2 wrote:

Maybe my memory is bad but I can't remember Welbeck ever been that good besides the hat rock against gala I think and the goal against United.

He was never exceptional but in my view a better option than Walcott.

batistuta9 · 06-02-2016 11:11AM

FixitFelix wrote: »

greendom wrote: »

I'd definitely rate Walcott's finishing ahead of Welbeck's.

I guess we'll agree to disagree in this one

walcott's one of the better finishers - if not best - at the club to be fair to him

Oranage2 wrote: »

Maybe my memory is bad but I can't remember Welbeck ever been that good besides the hat rock against gala I think and the goal against United.

bit of a dog like campbell from what i remember. still think he might improve his finishing & make the CF spot his own but he'll need a bit luck/run of games there

tayto lover · 06-02-2016 11:16AM

wonga77 wrote: »

Walcott V Welbeck in terms of finishing is not something everyone's gonna agree on. I do think Welbeck would offer more to the team though, Walcott is completely invisible at times

What we do need is a player who is much better at finishing that both of them.
We should always try to buy better than we already have.

jester77 · 06-02-2016 11:31AM

Here's a bit of a depressing table, shows how many days we spent at the top of the table in a given month over the last 11 years.

06-02-2016 11:37AM

tayto lover wrote: »

What we do need is a player who is much better at finishing that both of them.
We should always try to buy better than we already have.

Really, Walcott's finishing isn't that bad. He's having a bad season this year, but if you look at other years, he would get a goal from every one in 3 shots he puts on target.

His problem is injuries and involvement. Someone like Luis Suarez has no better accuracy or goal ratio from shots than Theo, he just plays more, gets more involved, and has more shots.

tayto lover · 06-02-2016 11:41AM

Basil3 wrote: »

Really, Walcott's finishing isn't that bad. He's having a bad season this year, but if you look at other years, he would get a goal from every one in 3 shots he puts on target.

His problem is injuries and involvement. Someone like Luis Suarez has no better accuracy or goal ratio from shots than Theo, he just plays more, gets more involved, and has more shots.

He's too injury prone.
He's not good enough at finishing.
I think he's even lost his pace as i rarely see him taking on a man.

JustTheOne · 06-02-2016 11:50AM

jester77 wrote: »

Here's a bit of a depressing table, shows how many days we spent at the top of the table in a given month over the last 11 years.

This is the whole point.

We are going the same route again and again and again and again and so on.

06-02-2016 11:54AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

This is the whole point.

We are going the same route again and again and again and again and so on.

The only common thing is that we don't win the title. The way we go about not winning the title isn't the same. The last time we were in a similar position at the halfway stage of the season and faded away was when we had a couple of key long term injuries (Ozil and Giroud, from memory). This time around, we are looking good on the injury front, so I'm much more optimistic.

Edit: Maybe it was Ramsey we lost, and he was on fire that season.

MonsterCookie · 06-02-2016 12:03PM

two crucial weekends coming up - whatever happens our main competitors will be dropping points this weekend [with ManC playing Leicester]. i'm convinced the table will look better for us heading into next weeks game at home to Leicester.

COYG!!!!

tayto lover · 06-02-2016 12:08PM

jester77 wrote: »

Here's a bit of a depressing table, shows how many days we spent at the top of the table in a given month over the last 11 years.

My God we really do go downhill after January.
I wonder is it a mental thing like the way we can't beat Chelsea?
It can't all be down to injuries as we have them spread equally, near enough, throughout the season so it has to be another reason.

06-02-2016 12:15PM

tayto lover wrote: »

My God we really do go downhill after January.
I wonder is it a mental thing like the way we can't beat Chelsea?
It can't all be down to injuries as we have them spread equally, near enough, throughout the season so it has to be another reason.

That table is pretty misleading. Look at any other team that hasn't won the Premier League in that time....it's always going to have a distribution that tails off in the second half of the season. Like Arsenal have only been top something like 15% of the time in December, so it's not surprising they're less than that towards the end of the season.

It's just another of these 'useful' ways of saying that Arsenal haven't won the title in over 10 years.

tayto lover · 06-02-2016 12:18PM

Basil3 wrote: »

That table is pretty misleading. Look at any other team that hasn't won the Premier League in that time....it's always going to have a distribution that tails off in the second half of the season. Like Arsenal have only been top something like 15% of the time in December, so it's not surprising they're less than that towards the end of the season.

It's just another of these 'useful' ways of saying that Arsenal haven't won the title in over 10 years.

Indeed but we've been in the Top 4 for every one of those years and in contention. Yet we have not led for much of Fer, Mar, April or May.

greendom · 06-02-2016 12:23PM

tayto lover wrote: »

He's too injury prone.
He's not good enough at finishing.
I think he's even lost his pace as i rarely see him taking on a man.

Off form at the moment, but he will get better

gosplan · 06-02-2016 12:25PM

tayto lover wrote: »

My God we really do go downhill after January.
I wonder is it a mental thing like the way we can't beat Chelsea?
It can't all be down to injuries as we have them spread equally, near enough, throughout the season so it has to be another reason.

I'd say there's one or two seasons building that up tbh.

Liverpool's based on 2 seasons ago alone would be

30 30 30 0 0

KaiserGunner · 06-02-2016 12:28PM

jester77 wrote: »

Here's a bit of a depressing table, shows how many days we spent at the top of the table in a given month over the last 11 years.

I'm guessing the 15 days at the top in March was the 07/08 season. Had a look at the results from that season, from the Gallas tantrum in the Birmingham 2-2 match at the end of February, we went on a run of 1 win in 8 matches! Ended up losing the title by 4 points. Man that's depressing. Just hope we don't go on a similar run, to screw up any chance of the league.

Bournemouth is a must win, nothing else is good enough this weekend, due to our form and Man City playing Leicester!

tayto lover · 06-02-2016 12:31PM

gosplan wrote: »

I'd say there's one or two seasons building that up tbh.

Liverpool's based on 2 seasons ago alone would be

30 30 30 0 0

But what's the cause of our slumps?

06-02-2016 12:35PM

tayto lover wrote: »

But what's the cause of our slumps?

Which slumps? The table means diddly. It gives people the impression that Arsenal are in contention and fade away all the time, when in reality they're hardly ever in contention, they're always floating around the top 4. On a couple of seasons they've managed to be near the top at the halfway stage.

KaiserGunner · 06-02-2016 12:42PM

I'm bored this morning, so I've been looking at our results in previous seasons and **** me we have had some shocking bottle jobs. For example 10/11 season we were within 1 point of eventual champions Man Utd at the end of February, but then only won 2 matches from the last 11 of the season and finished 4th. Obviously this is the past and isn't relevant to today, but no wonder our fan base gets frustrated as we have literally thrown away titles over the last decade.

tayto lover · 06-02-2016 12:43PM

KaiserGunner wrote: »

I'm bored this morning, so I've been looking at our results in previous seasons and **** me we have had some shocking bottle jobs. For example 10/11 season we were within 1 point of eventual champions Man Utd at the end of February, but then only won 2 matches from the last 11 of the season and finished 4th. Obviously this is the past and isn't relevant to today, but no wonder our fan base gets frustrated as we have literally thrown away titles over the last decade.

Dem slumps.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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