Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

JustTheOne · 05-02-2016 04:55PM

greendom wrote: »

Back to matters on the pitch. Welbeck lasted 60 mins in the U21 game against Brighton. Arsenal lead 3 - 0 but I don't think Danny was involved in any of the goals.

Another mediocre player to add to the list.

greendom · 05-02-2016 05:04PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Another mediocre player to add to the list.

If he can start recreating his England form for Arsenal, we'll be sorted!

05-02-2016 05:04PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Another mediocre player to add to the list.

It's better to have him as an option, than not....so don't know what you gain from being negative about him coming back.

Unless, of course, you meant the Premier League medal winner's list. He's already on it, so no need to add him.

Ol' Donie · 05-02-2016 06:05PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Another mediocre player to add to the list.

Love Welbz. Great fella.

05-02-2016 07:19PM

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160205/season-ticket-cup-tie-credits-update

The fans have spoken. Well done Arsenal.

JustTheOne · 05-02-2016 07:27PM

Basil3 wrote: »

It's better to have him as an option, than not....so don't know what you gain from being negative about him coming back.

Unless, of course, you meant the Premier League medal winner's list. He's already on it, so no need to add him.

No I'm talking about the mediocre players in the club and how he fits in.

That is why we are 4th.

05-02-2016 07:34PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

No I'm talking about the mediocre players in the club and how he fits in.

That is why we are 4th.

And when we were top of the table, what was the explanation you were giving us?

I can say one thing, you didn't say the table never lies when we were on top. You just save that kind of stuff for when we're not. Sad really.

FixitFelix · 05-02-2016 07:45PM

Basil3 wrote:

I can say one thing, you didn't say the table never lies when we were on top. You just save that kind of stuff for when we're not. Sad really.

The only time the table lies is when we're top according to most people

JustTheOne · 05-02-2016 07:53PM

Basil3 wrote: »

And when we were top of the table, what was the explanation you were giving us?

I can say one thing, you didn't say the table never lies when we were on top. You just save that kind of stuff for when we're not. Sad really.

Happens every year. Top then 4th.

Seems its acceptable in some fans eyes.

Gringo180 · 05-02-2016 07:54PM

Basil3 wrote: »

And when we were top of the table, what was the explanation you were giving us?

I can say one thing, you didn't say the table never lies when we were on top. You just save that kind of stuff for when we're not. Sad really.

I kind of agree with his comments. There are far too many mediocre players at the club now that would never of been good enough to even make the bench in our title winning teams, players that are starting now. All thats matters is been top at the end of the season and its been over a decade since we last done that.

05-02-2016 07:56PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Happens every year. Top then 4th.

Seems its acceptable in some fans eyes.

It doesn't happen every year. I think it happened 3 years ago. Not sure when before then.

Gringo180 wrote: »

I kind of agree with his comments. There are far too many mediocre players at the club now that would never of been good enough to even make the bench in our title winning teams, players that are starting now. All thats matters is been top at the end of the season and its been over a decade since we last done that.

Welbeck was good enough for the bench in a title winning team, so pretty crazy using him to make a point.

Gringo180 · 05-02-2016 07:59PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Happens every year. Top then 4th.

Seems its acceptable in some fans eyes.

Its a strange cycle we go through as Arsenal fans. We start off great and start to believe this team are good enough to win a league, then we start to faulter and we realise were actually not good enough. Or else its start off poorly and finish superb, getring our hopes up for the following season and the manager actually thinking were good enough and not investing in the team. Its so frustrating because in some games we can be absolutely fantastic to watch and in others we can be appalling.

JustTheOne · 05-02-2016 08:01PM

Basil3 wrote: »

It doesn't happen every year. I think it happened 3 years ago. Not sure when before then.

Welbeck was good enough for the bench in a title winning team, so pretty crazy using him to make a point.

If he was so good and integral to Uniteds league winning team they would have never let him leave.

His goal to game ratio speaks for itself.

Mediocre. Good enough for a team like Sunderland.

Gringo180 · 05-02-2016 08:02PM

Basil3 wrote: »

It doesn't happen every year. I think it happened 3 years ago. Not sure when before then.

Welbeck was good enough for the bench in a title winning team, so pretty crazy using him to make a point.

Bebe was good enough to make the bench in that Utd team. They were managed by the greatest manager of all time who could consistently get the best out of mediocre players. Sure Tom Cleverly was a first team regular in that Utd side that won the league :O

I was talking about our title winning teams under Wenger.

Ol' Donie · 05-02-2016 08:04PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

If he was so good and integral to Uniteds league winning team they would have never let him leave.

His goal to game ratio speaks for itself.

Mediocre. Good enough for a team like Sunderland.

He was alright last year when he beat United for us in Old Trafford.

I'll love him forever for that.

tayto lover · 05-02-2016 08:05PM

FixitFelix wrote: »

The only time the table lies is when we're top according to most people

The only time it matters being top is in May.
It's a long time since we have been top then.

05-02-2016 08:07PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

If he was so good and integral to Uniteds league winning team they would have never let him leave.

His goal to game ratio speaks for itself.

Mediocre. Good enough for a team like Sunderland.

I don't think Ferguson would have let him leave.

He's a bench/impact player, and he still has time and ability to improve. He has a good goal to game ratio for England, so that says something.

Regardless, he's a good squad player. Look at some of the players who have played for United and won titles. Even look at some of the average players that some of the big spenders have outside their starting 11. Your expectations are unrealistic.

Gringo180 wrote: »

Bebe was good enough to make the bench in that Utd team. They were managed by the greatest manager of all time who could consistently get the best out of mediocre players. Sure Tom Cleverly was a first team regular in that Utd side that won the league :O

I was talking about our title winning teams under Wenger.

There's no reason why Wenger can't win the title with this squad.

Gringo180 · 05-02-2016 08:13PM

Basil3 wrote: »

I don't think Ferguson would have let him leave.

He's a bench/impact player, and he still has time and ability to improve. He has a good goal to game ratio for England, so that says something.

Regardless, he's a good squad player. Look at some of the players who have played for United and won titles. Even look at some of the average players that some of the big spenders have outside their starting 11. Your expectations are unrealistic.

There's no reason why Wenger can't win the title with this squad.

I cant see it now. I really think these last few games have exposed us for what we are, challengers but nothing else. We havent scored in 3 games now, we badly lack an alternative to Giroud up front to get us goals but the manager yet again refuses to strengthen this area in the team. When was the last time we bought a 25+ goal a season striker? Eduardo was probably closest to that but injury ruined any chance of him fulfilling that potential.

We have being crying out for a prolific goalscorer the last few seasons now. These sort of players have moved to other clubs while we are twidding our thumbs waiting on Walcott to come good.

FixitFelix · 05-02-2016 08:16PM

tayto lover wrote:

The only time it matters being top is in May. It's a long time since we have been top then.

Whats that got to do with the point i made?

05-02-2016 08:22PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I cant see it now. I really think these last few games have exposed us for what we are, challengers but nothing else. We havent scored in 3 games now, we badly lack an alternative to Giroud up front to get us goals but the manager yet again refuses to strengthen this area in the team. When was the last time we bought a 25+ goal a season striker? Eduardo was probably closest to that but injury ruined any chance of him fulfilling that potential.

We have being crying out for a prolific goalscorer the last few seasons now. These sort of players have moved to other clubs while we are twidding our thumbs waiting on Walcott to come good.

Are Leicester contenders? They have also gone 3 matches in a row without scoring this season, ending up with 2 goals in 5 matches.

We are creating lots of chances, and inevitably that leads to plenty of goals.

Gringo180 · 05-02-2016 08:23PM

Mario Mandzuckic, Gonzalo Higuain, Javier Hernandez, Mario Gomez, Alvaro Morata, Carlos Bacca, Jackson Martinez. Just a few prolific goalscorers that were available the past few seasons.

05-02-2016 08:32PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Mario Mandzuckic, Gonzalo Higuain, Javier Hernandez, Mario Gomez, Alvaro Morata, Carlos Bacca, Jackson Martinez. Just a few prolific goalscorers that were available the past few seasons.

All good players, but I guess if Wenger views Walcott as a striker, then he was on par with pretty much all of them before his injury. It's a shame he hasn't been able to find that form again.

Gringo180 · 05-02-2016 08:35PM

Basil3 wrote: »

All good players, but I guess if Wenger views Walcott as a striker, then he was on par with pretty much all of them before his injury. It's a shame he hasn't been able to find that form again.

When has Walcott ever ever scored a goal every other game? These are in a different league to Theo with all due respect to him.

Bobby Baccala · 05-02-2016 08:43PM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

He was alright last year when he beat United for us in Old Trafford.

I'll love him forever for that.

Woulda paid his transfer fee alone for us to beat them at old Trafford so he's a good lad in my books

05-02-2016 08:51PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

When has Walcott ever ever scored a goal every other game? These are in a different league to Theo with all due respect to him.

He just doesn't play enough. 13/14 he went at a goal every 180 mins played. 14/15 goal every 90. He just has too small a sample size on those years, and this year he is really in a slump.

Gringo180 · 05-02-2016 08:59PM

Basil3 wrote: »

He just doesn't play enough. 13/14 he went at a goal every 180 mins played. 14/15 goal every 90. He just has too small a sample size on those years, and this year he is really in a slump.

Most league goals he has scored in a season is 14. Last 3 seasons league goals read, 5, 5, 14. He currently has 3 this season. He is a goal every 4 game player just like Welbeck, but I think Welbeck can improve on that. Personally cant see Walcott improving.

05-02-2016 09:02PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Most league goals he has scored in a season is 14. Last 3 seasons league goals read, 5, 5, 14. He currently has 3 this season. He is a goal every 4 game player just like Welbeck, but I think Welbeck can improve on that. Personally cant see Walcott improving.

Last season he only played the equivalent of 5 full matches for his 5 goals. His biggest problem is injuries.

I think it's time to give him a run up front though, time for him to step up.

Gringo180 · 05-02-2016 09:05PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Last season he only played the equivalent of 5 full matches for his 5 goals. His biggest problem is injuries.

I think it's time to give him a run up front though, time for him to step up.

He turns 27 in March. I honestly for the life of me cant see how he can cut it as a lone striker. He just isnt a natural goalscorer. Would love to be proved wrong.

Kirby · 05-02-2016 10:04PM

Yes but until you put a theory into practice, all you have is talk. Is Walcott good enough to be a central striker? Some say yes. Some say no. The point is nobody knows. You stick up front for 20 games. Then you have your answer one way or another. Sporadic games up front and then out wide and then injured and then up front and then out wide......that cycle proves nothing.

Either way, it would be nice to have a definitive answer. Girouds purple patch and walcotts injuries meant we weren't going to see that this season so far.

Ol' Donie · 06-02-2016 01:03AM

Gringo180 wrote: »

He turns 27 in March. I honestly for the life of me cant see how he can cut it as a lone striker. He just isnt a natural goalscorer. Would love to be proved wrong.

I disagree with you a lot, dude, but i agree with that.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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