Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

L'prof · 04-02-2016 07:50AM

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Yeah I definitely think Sanchez would have been signed as that was a year later. It's hard to tell with Ozil, apparently he became available late on in that transfer window and we would have had the funds for him still IMO. So it's possible Higuain and Ozil could have been signed.

I don't blame Arsenal and Wenger for the Higuain deal falling through, as a price had been agreed and then Real Madrid upped it to a ridiculous amount at the last minute. You can't be taken for a ride by clubs either.

Was the price upped or did Napoli offer a load more than Arsenal at the last minute and Arsenal were asked to match it? Either way, he'd probably have been worth it. Scored a goal every 1.68 games since his move. Giroud still not bad at a goal every 1.98 games in the same period but Higuain would offer something different. 23 league goals for him already this season!!!

gosplan · 04-02-2016 08:11AM

L'prof wrote: »

Was the price upped or did Napoli offer a load more than Arsenal at the last minute and Arsenal were asked to match it? Either way, he'd probably have been worth it. Scored a goal every 1.68 games since his move. Giroud still not bad at a goal every 1.98 games in the same period but Higuain would offer something different. 23 league goals for him already this season!!!

It's not that we passed on Higuain but that we also messed up the Suarez option by pissing Liverpool off with a €1 extra bid.

There's penny pinching and then there's being deliberately provocative. Wenger could have bid 45milion, maybe upped it to 50-55 and then Suarez plays for Arsenal.

Or maybe 45 would have taken it. The players says 'look my release clause is 40'. But I doubt either Suarez or Liverpool felt very respected by Wenger's offer. An idiotic thing to do.

Sure, he was technically correct but that counts for little.

I'm still annoyed by that so much. Even just bid 40 million and start a conversation. Wenger basically bid '40 million and fcuk you - hahaha'.

04-02-2016 08:30AM

You never know how players will turn out, and I guess we'll never know.

Balotelli went at a goal a game in Serie A, then a goal every 9 or so in the Premier League.

04-02-2016 08:36AM

gosplan wrote: »

It's not that we passed on Higuain but that we also messed up the Suarez option by pissing Liverpool off with a €1 extra bid.

There's penny pinching and then there's being deliberately provocative. Wenger could have bid 45milion, maybe upped it to 50-55 and then Suarez plays for Arsenal.

Or maybe 45 would have taken it. The players says 'look my release clause is 40'. But I doubt either Suarez or Liverpool felt very respected by Wenger's offer. An idiotic thing to do.

Sure, he was technically correct but that counts for little.

I'm still annoyed by that so much. Even just bid 40 million and start a conversation. Wenger basically bid '40 million and fcuk you - hahaha'.

"Here's a cinema ticket. It's €10. Do you want to pay €20?"

His clause was 40 million. The pound was to trigger that clause. Why pay more than you have to? Especially 1-5 MILLION* pounds?

Have you paid more for anything just to show your "respect" to the other person?

Ffs. It's business. The contract was legal. Liverpool were dicks and it should've/could've gone to court but I can see why it didn't.

*million; that's an awful lot of money. Think how much players go for generally. Imagine if he'd spent 1/2 a Petr Cech when he didn't have to.

L'prof · 04-02-2016 08:40AM

gosplan wrote: »

It's not that we passed on Higuain but that we also messed up the Suarez option by pissing Liverpool off with a €1 extra bid.

There's penny pinching and then there's being deliberately provocative. Wenger could have bid 45milion, maybe upped it to 50-55 and then Suarez plays for Arsenal.

Or maybe 45 would have taken it. The players says 'look my release clause is 40'. But I doubt either Suarez or Liverpool felt very respected by Wenger's offer. An idiotic thing to do.

Sure, he was technically correct but that counts for little.

I'm still annoyed by that so much. Even just bid 40 million and start a conversation. Wenger basically bid '40 million and fcuk you - hahaha'.

What galls (spelling?) the most is being linked with both, getting neither and still not having a world class striker. He couldn't possibly go another transfer window without making it his top priority...could he?

greendom · 04-02-2016 08:56AM

gosplan wrote: »

It's not that we passed on Higuain but that we also messed up the Suarez option by pissing Liverpool off with a €1 extra bid.

There's penny pinching and then there's being deliberately provocative. Wenger could have bid 45milion, maybe upped it to 50-55 and then Suarez plays for Arsenal.

Or maybe 45 would have taken it. The players says 'look my release clause is 40'. But I doubt either Suarez or Liverpool felt very respected by Wenger's offer. An idiotic thing to do.

Sure, he was technically correct but that counts for little.

I'm still annoyed by that so much. Even just bid 40 million and start a conversation. Wenger basically bid '40 million and fcuk you - hahaha'.

Bizarre scenario if you have to offer 5 million above a contractually designated release fee so the selling club feels respected!

04-02-2016 09:16AM

greendom wrote: »

Bizarre scenario if you have to offer 5 million above a contractually designated release fee so the selling club feels respected!

The Liverpool owner is an arsehole who was never honouring that agreement. The 1p thing was just an excuse they used. A release clause is a release clause, once you match it that should be that. Unfortunately John Henry realised it wouldn't be worth Suarez or Arsenal's time to take him to court as the transfer window would be long closed before the dispute would be resolved.

gosplan · 04-02-2016 09:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

"Here's a cinema ticket. It's €10. Do you want to pay €20?"

His clause was 40 million. The pound was to trigger that clause. Why pay more than you have to? Especially 1-5 MILLION* pounds?

Have you paid more for anything just to show your "respect" to the other person?

Ffs. It's business. The contract was legal. Liverpool were dicks and it should've/could've gone to court but I can see why it didn't.

*million; that's an awful lot of money. Think how much players go for generally. Imagine if he'd spent 1/2 a Petr Cech when he didn't have to.

Yes, he was technically correct.

But it was clearly taking the piss at the same time.

There's a reason why no-one else ever makes bids like that.

gosplan · 04-02-2016 09:27AM

greendom wrote: »

Bizarre scenario if you have to offer 5 million above a contractually designated release fee so the selling club feels respected!

It's not that they feel respected, it's more that Wenger was making them feel disrespected and got their backs up.

'I, your rival, am taking your best player and there's not a thing you can do'

That's what that bid said

5star02707 · 04-02-2016 09:35AM

why did they move the opening sales for that Barcelona game ughh! seriously

gosplan · 04-02-2016 09:38AM

Without wanting to go into nitty arguments, I'll leave it at this.

There were 4 clubs involved in the transfer dealings for those strikers.

Napoli, Liverpool and Real all got what they wanted.

We made perhaps correct decisions that didn't help us one bit.

DeclanRe · 04-02-2016 10:19AM

1 - Optimistically opens thread
2 - See's people talking about how we should have signed Higuain
3 - Leaves Thread

wonga77 · 04-02-2016 10:22AM

Anyone see the Barca goals last night? Some of them were sublime, the away trip has potential to be a disaster. We would be as well off completely shutting up shop and trying to frustrate them, easier said than done though

farna_boy · 04-02-2016 10:45AM

Was thinking there, I wouldn't mind seeing a few changes for the next match, important as it is. Assuming everyone is fit enough to start, I would like to see a Coq Elneny center midfield, with Campbell, Ozil and Sanchez with Giroud up front. If changes are needed bring Iwobi on for Campbell and Ramsey on for Elneny.

The last few times I have seen Iwobi he has looked in good form and we everyone else e.g. Walcott and Ox, having a dip in form, maybe it is time to give him a run.

04-02-2016 10:50AM

farna_boy wrote: »

Was thinking there, I wouldn't mind seeing a few changes for the next match, important as it is. Assuming everyone is fit enough to start, I would like to see a Coq Elneny center midfield, with Campbell, Ozil and Sanchez with Giroud up front. If changes are needed bring Iwobi on for Campbell and Ramsey on for Elneny.

The last few times I have seen Iwobi he has looked in good form and we everyone else e.g. Walcott and Ox, having a dip in form, maybe it is time to give him a run.

I would agree, except I would drop Campbell for Ramsey - have him out on the right.

tayto lover · 04-02-2016 11:52AM

gosplan wrote: »

I don't think last night was that bad

Great and lucky enough goalkeeping performance, point blank saves etc.

If it came after 3 wins in a row it'd be fine.

But it didn't. We've no margin for error or luck.

It was a feckin disaster for sure.
The performance wasn't too bad but we got one point and that's the disaster. We scored no goals for the third game running and lost ground on all our rivals.

04-02-2016 11:59AM

tayto lover wrote: »

It was a feckin disaster for sure.
The performance wasn't too bad but we got one point, because that's what you get for a draw and that's the disaster. We scored no goals for the third game running and lost ground on all our rivals.

FYP

tayto lover · 04-02-2016 12:01PM

Basil3 wrote: »

FYP

I had a late night

domrush · 04-02-2016 12:47PM

Should be making two big signings every Summer in my opinion, like very other big club with ambitions does.

gosplan · 04-02-2016 12:56PM

tayto lover wrote: »

It was a feckin disaster for sure.
The performance wasn't too bad but we got one point and that's the disaster. We scored no goals for the third game running and lost ground on all our rivals.

I think you just disagreed with me by making exactly the same point

Yeah, we should have been top going into last night. Then a draw against in-form Saints with a blessed goalkeeping performance is acceptable.

greendom · 04-02-2016 01:09PM

We have a tough run in and ideally we should have built up a bit of a cushion on our rivals. that hasn't happened and we're 5 points back due mainly to all the injuries in midfield that meant Flamini and Ramsey had to keep playing as our central 2.

Hopefully having more choice in midfield and having Sanchez back will mean we can still have a say in the title race.

04-02-2016 01:36PM

gosplan wrote: »

Then a draw against in-form Saints with a blessed goalkeeping performance is acceptable.

Attitudes like that don't lead to winning stuff.

04-02-2016 01:38PM

greendom wrote: »

We have a tough run in and ideally we should have built up a bit of a cushion on our rivals. that hasn't happened and we're 5 points back due mainly to all the injuries in midfield that meant Flamini and Ramsey had to keep playing as our central 2.

Hopefully having more choice in midfield and having Sanchez back will mean we can still have a say in the title race.

Hard to explain our lack of options in midfield compared to our transfer dealings. Signed one player who didn't even make the bench on Tuesday. Ridiculous stuff really.

greendom · 04-02-2016 01:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hard to explain our lack of options in midfield compared to our transfer dealings. Signed one player who didn't even make the bench on Tuesday. Ridiculous stuff really.

We have plenty of options for midfield. Over-equipped if anything. But when you lose Coquelin, Wilshere, Cazorla for such a long period of time, it's going to hurt.

04-02-2016 01:47PM

greendom wrote: »

We have plenty of options for midfield. Over-equipped if anything. But when you lose Coquelin, Wilshere, Cazorla for such a long period of time, it's going to hurt.

So you do something about it.

greendom · 04-02-2016 02:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So you do something about it.

When? What?

tayto lover · 04-02-2016 02:44PM

greendom wrote: »

We have a tough run in and ideally we should have built up a bit of a cushion on our rivals. that hasn't happened and we're 5 points back due mainly to all the injuries in midfield that meant Flamini and Ramsey had to keep playing as our central 2.

Hopefully having more choice in midfield and having Sanchez back will mean we can still have a say in the title race.

The amount of chances we created yet missed would disprove the theory that our midfield was poor though. Not scoring is our main problem at the minute.

I also have questions regarding some of the goals our defence conceded but missing easy scoring opportunities has been our main problem of late.

emmetlego · 04-02-2016 02:47PM

I really don't get that people say we played well against Southampton. We were atrocious, lackluster and pedestrian in the first half, and our finishing in the 2nd half was woeful. We did increase our tempo and showed desire in the 2nd half, but is having desire enough at this level? I don't think so. I genuinely thought we were unlucky against Chelsea and Pool at the time, but Tuesday night, showed this is more than a glitch. Unless we get something from the City and Leicester games, (the latter should be a win) then we can chuck our hat in and concentrate on Barca and FA cup games. Very disappointed with these last few games is an understatement!

tayto lover · 04-02-2016 02:51PM

emmetlego wrote: »

I really don't get that people say we played well against Southampton. We were atrocious, lackluster and pedestrian in the first half, and our finishing in the 2nd half was woeful. We did increase our tempo and showed desire in the 2nd half, but is having desire enough at this level? I don't think so. I genuinely thought we were unlucky against Chelsea and Pool at the time, but Tuesday night, showed this is more than a glitch. Unless we get something from the City and Leicester games, the latter should be a win, then we can chuck our hat in and concentrate on Barca and FA cup games. Vey disappointed with these last few games is an understatement!

Exactly. I often point to the importance of a good focused start which we rarely get. The manager should have them psyched-up for battle. The last time we saw any kind of an excellent was against United.

emmetlego · 04-02-2016 02:53PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Exactly. I often point to the importance of a good focused start which we rarely get. The manager should have them psyched-up for battle. The last time we saw any kind of an excellent was against United.

I think the City game was another example.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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