"Non National" Attacks Woman in Co Waterford

Mr McBoatface · 04-02-2016 12:52PM #1

So it appears that a "Non National" was involved in a violent attack on a woman in Dungarvan . The women concerned was pulled from her car and beaten and robbed. A terrible ordeal and I hope she recovers from this horrible incident. This incident happened on the 22nd of January to the Garda and yet it's only being reported in the media now. Given the violent nature of the attack and the manner it was carried out why wasn't a warning issued earlier to the public ?

Another strange thing to come from this is the "PC" response of the Garda in providing a description of the attackers. Describing somebody as a "Non national" is a pretty broad term. It lacks clarity and it's a pretty pointless to issue such a description. Why not issue a physical description of the attacker ?

Surely for the safety of the public timely and accurate reports should be released ? What's AH opinion on the matter, have the "PC brigade" stifled the ability of our law enforcement to do their job ? Are they going to end up like the police in Sweden where photos of suspects are changed to hide skin colour ?

Sunnyisland · 04-02-2016 12:54PM

Why is it so important that the attacker is a non national ? Unfortunately there are lots of attacks on women in Ireland that don't even get any media attention , Are non national attacks more gruesome than people who live here attacks ?

Speedwell · 04-02-2016 12:55PM

I'm a middle-aged, dumpy, white, female American IT professional here on a spouse visa (Stamp 4 residency). I'm a non-national. And no, I wasn't anywhere near Dungarvan yesterday lol... just saying, "non-national"? Really?

mayordenis · 04-02-2016 12:55PM

How many people are attacked by white Irish here last year? Actually how many people were attacked by white Irish yesterday?

BigJackC · 04-02-2016 12:56PM

How did the victim know that the attacker was stateless?

not yet · 04-02-2016 12:57PM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

So it appears that a "Non National" was involved in a violent attack on a woman in Dungarvan yesterday. The women concerned was pulled from her car and beaten and robbed. A terrible ordeal and I hope she recovers from this horrible incident. This incident happened on the 22nd of January and the Garda and yet it's only being reported in the media now. Given the violent nature of the attack and the manner it was carried out why wasn't a warning issued earlier to the public ?

Another strange thing to come from this is the "PC" response of the Garda in providing a description of the attackers. Describing somebody as a "Non national" is a pretty broad term. It lacks clarity and it's a pretty pointless to issue such a description. Why not issue a physical description of the attacker ?

Surely for the safety of the public timely and accurate reports should be released ? What's AH opinion on the matter, have the "PC brigade" stifled the ability of our law enforcement to do their job ? Are they going to end up like the police in Sweden where photos of suspects are changed to hide skin colour ?

Jesus don't go there, It'll only end badly.

04-02-2016 12:59PM

Imagine. If every time some Irish guy gave a woman or a child a hiding, we had a new thread?

This site would crash after one Friday night, soon after pub closing time.

Mr McBoatface · 04-02-2016 01:00PM

The Garda description was of "Non National" it's not a physical description. How can it be expected the public protect themselves from criminals if no meaningful description is given ?

NiallBoo · 04-02-2016 01:01PM

I always thought it was a weird and unnecessary detail to add, verging on scaremongering of the "outsider".

Little CuChulainn · 04-02-2016 01:03PM

I'd imagine their faces were covered so there is no useful physical description. You can't really hide a foreign accent without a lot of practice though.

kneemos · 04-02-2016 01:04PM

I'll see your non national and raise you a migrant and two travellers.

Mr McBoatface · 04-02-2016 01:05PM

NiallBoo wrote: »

I always thought it was a weird and unnecessary detail to add, verging on scaremongering of the "outsider".

I agree, it causes confusion and scaremongering. If the attacker was Black, White, Asian, Eastern European or other why not just give a physical description that could actually be used to identify them ?

04-02-2016 01:08PM

A "non national" smashed an iron bar over my mate's head and tried to rape her a couple of years ago in Dublin 18....

I know it didn't exactly matter to her what nationality he was, sure it could have been Mick up the road and it wouldn't have been any less terrifying for the girl...

They never got him unfortunately and it was pursued to the hilt with media/crimeline etc with her brother being a cop....

Sensationalist bull**** headline...

osarusan · 04-02-2016 01:09PM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This incident happened on the 22nd of January and the Garda and yet it's only being reported in the media now.

Took me 2 minutes to find that it was reported on the day of the attack.

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2016/01/22/appeal-for-information-as-woman-robbed/

GARDAÍ are appealing for information after a woman was accosted and robbed at Ballykinsella during rush hour this morning.

04-02-2016 01:09PM

realies wrote: »

Why is it so important that the attacker is a non national ? Unfortunately there are lots of attacks on women in Ireland that don't even get any media attention , Are non national attacks more gruesome than people who live here attacks ?

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

Generic Dreadhead · 04-02-2016 01:12PM

2 Things.

1) Why is Non-National in inverted commas like that?
2) The headline doesn't contain that phrase

Lone female driver pulled from car, pinned to bonnet and beaten as robber searched for valuables

seamus · 04-02-2016 01:13PM

Irish Independent. 'nuff said.

Complete rag.

Graces7 · 04-02-2016 01:16PM

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

There are words to describe this post but they are words I would never ever use. Are you serious or is your post in jest? Hopefully the latter..

Whosthis · 04-02-2016 01:18PM

osarusan wrote: »

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2016/01/22/appeal-for-information-as-woman-robbed/

Took me 2 minutes to find that it was reported on the day of the attack.

FFS, how are we going to get this witch hunt started with the likes of you around?

04-02-2016 01:18PM

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

Really?

I would have thought, in light of what we have discovered over the past decade, that we might be hard to beat when it comes to the old violence, sex, child abuse stuff etc. Even if you say foreigners are worse, you'd accept that we're no angels ourselves, would you?

corner of hells · 04-02-2016 01:18PM

kneemos wrote: »

I'll see your non national and raise you a migrant and two travellers.

I'll raise you an immigrant, a double buggy and a bus stop.

corner of hells · 04-02-2016 01:20PM

Whosthis wrote: »

FFS, how are we going to get this witch hunt started with the likes of you around?

Listen this pitchfork is heavy and the flaming torch is burning my hand , what'll I do ?

StringerBell · 04-02-2016 01:20PM

Don't get out of your cars in those situations people, she heard a bang on the car, thought she saw a guy falling in to a ditch, assuming she hit him I guess stopped the car to investigate, thats when it happened. Poor woman.

This method is quite common in Waterford and has been for a long time, people faking injury to get you to slow your car or stop so they can rob it or you

turnikett1 · 04-02-2016 01:20PM

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

No, its not common sense, its idiocy. Not everyone from Asia in Africa is a violent rapist. Also good on job on making sweeping generalizations. "Countries in Asia and Africa", because the 102 countries that make up Asia and Africa are all more or less the same right?

The Irish have higher binge drinking rates than most of the world. Does this mean that Australia, Canada, the US etc now also suffer from endemic binge drinking?

arayess · 04-02-2016 01:21PM

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

It helps potential witnesses - a local who knows mick up the road is a dirtbag and saw him in the area as to distinguish him from Pavel who was also seen in the area and regrettably is also a dirtbag.
The cops might already suspect Pavel and a witness might copper fasten this.
You know what the say on crimecall any evidence no matter how small can be crucial to the cops as it might confirm other info they have.

plus it is nice to know if we are importing dirtbags as well as contending with our homegrown ones.

Get over the over-sensitive racist outrage and use some common sense.

or you could get on boards and bleat like sheep.....racism...racism racism...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

tritium · 04-02-2016 01:23PM

How do we know they're non national, did someone see their passport? Given the number of Irish born persons of eastern European, African, north and south american extraction etc over the last 25 years or so it seems a lazy and dangerously xenophobic description. By all means describe key characteristics-caucasian/ Asian etc, height , build but please stop turning this into a race agenda

ceadaoin. · 04-02-2016 01:25PM

This is a tactic used by criminals in America too, it's nothing new. Best advice is not to stop or get out of the car, drive further on and call the guards.

The Randy Riverbeast · 04-02-2016 01:26PM

turnikett1 wrote: »

No, its not common sense, its idiocy. Not everyone from Asia in Africa is a violent rapist. Also good on job on making sweeping generalizations. "Countries in Asia and Africa", because the 102 countries that make up Asia and Africa are all more or less the same right?

The Irish have higher binge drinking rates than most of the world. Does this mean that Australia, Canada, the US etc now also suffer from endemic binge drinking?

No but they have fun with drunk Irish people! It turns out some Irish people aren't the perfect immigrants the anti immigration crowd think they are.

Non national is a bit vague, are we talking UK, US, China, Antartica?

corner of hells · 04-02-2016 01:30PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

This is a tactic used by criminals in America too, it's nothing new. Best advice is not to stop or get out of the car, drive further on and call the guards.

If you think I'm going to phone the Gardai from Florida ., you've another thing coming.

BigJackC · 04-02-2016 01:33PM

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

No but they have fun with drunk Irish people! It turns out some Irish people aren't the perfect immigrants the anti immigration crowd think they are

Can you show me where the "anti immigrant crowd" claimed this? If Irish people abroad act the pup they should be deported. As should the "non nationals" who attacked and robbed the woman in Waterford.

Mr McBoatface · 04-02-2016 01:35PM

osarusan wrote: »

Took me 2 minutes to find that it was reported on the day of the attack.

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2016/01/22/appeal-for-information-as-woman-robbed/

The description of the attacker was not in that report , the pretty useless Garda description of "Non National" was not issued until recently. Why delay the description and why not issue a physical description ?

"Non National" Attacks Woman in Co Waterford

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