"Non National" Attacks Woman in Co Waterford

Mr McBoatface

So it appears that a "Non National" was involved in a violent attack on a woman in Dungarvan . The women concerned was pulled from her car and beaten and robbed. A terrible ordeal and I hope she recovers from this horrible incident. This incident happened on the 22nd of January to the Garda and yet it's only being reported in the media now. Given the violent nature of the attack and the manner it was carried out why wasn't a warning issued earlier to the public ?

Another strange thing to come from this is the "PC" response of the Garda in providing a description of the attackers. Describing somebody as a "Non national" is a pretty broad term. It lacks clarity and it's a pretty pointless to issue such a description. Why not issue a physical description of the attacker ?

Surely for the safety of the public timely and accurate reports should be released ? What's AH opinion on the matter, have the "PC brigade" stifled the ability of our law enforcement to do their job ? Are they going to end up like the police in Sweden where photos of suspects are changed to hide skin colour ?

Sunnyisland

Why is it so important that the attacker is a non national ? Unfortunately there are lots of attacks on women in Ireland that don't even get any media attention , Are non national attacks more gruesome than people who live here attacks ?

Speedwell

I'm a middle-aged, dumpy, white, female American IT professional here on a spouse visa (Stamp 4 residency). I'm a non-national. And no, I wasn't anywhere near Dungarvan yesterday lol... just saying, "non-national"? Really?

mayordenis

How many people are attacked by white Irish here last year? Actually how many people were attacked by white Irish yesterday?

BigJackC

How did the victim know that the attacker was stateless?

not yet

jobyrne30 wrote: »

So it appears that a "Non National" was involved in a violent attack on a woman in Dungarvan yesterday. The women concerned was pulled from her car and beaten and robbed. A terrible ordeal and I hope she recovers from this horrible incident. This incident happened on the 22nd of January and the Garda and yet it's only being reported in the media now. Given the violent nature of the attack and the manner it was carried out why wasn't a warning issued earlier to the public ?

Another strange thing to come from this is the "PC" response of the Garda in providing a description of the attackers. Describing somebody as a "Non national" is a pretty broad term. It lacks clarity and it's a pretty pointless to issue such a description. Why not issue a physical description of the attacker ?

Surely for the safety of the public timely and accurate reports should be released ? What's AH opinion on the matter, have the "PC brigade" stifled the ability of our law enforcement to do their job ? Are they going to end up like the police in Sweden where photos of suspects are changed to hide skin colour ?

Jesus don't go there, It'll only end badly.

Imagine. If every time some Irish guy gave a woman or a child a hiding, we had a new thread?

This site would crash after one Friday night, soon after pub closing time.

Mr McBoatface

The Garda description was of "Non National" it's not a physical description. How can it be expected the public protect themselves from criminals if no meaningful description is given ?

NiallBoo

I always thought it was a weird and unnecessary detail to add, verging on scaremongering of the "outsider".

Little CuChulainn

I'd imagine their faces were covered so there is no useful physical description. You can't really hide a foreign accent without a lot of practice though.

kneemos

I'll see your non national and raise you a migrant and two travellers.

Mr McBoatface

NiallBoo wrote: »

I always thought it was a weird and unnecessary detail to add, verging on scaremongering of the "outsider".

I agree, it causes confusion and scaremongering. If the attacker was Black, White, Asian, Eastern European or other why not just give a physical description that could actually be used to identify them ?

Riesen_Meal

A "non national" smashed an iron bar over my mate's head and tried to rape her a couple of years ago in Dublin 18....

I know it didn't exactly matter to her what nationality he was, sure it could have been Mick up the road and it wouldn't have been any less terrifying for the girl...

They never got him unfortunately and it was pursued to the hilt with media/crimeline etc with her brother being a cop....

Sensationalist bull**** headline...

osarusan

jobyrne30 wrote: »

This incident happened on the 22nd of January and the Garda and yet it's only being reported in the media now.

Took me 2 minutes to find that it was reported on the day of the attack.

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2016/01/22/appeal-for-information-as-woman-robbed/

GARDAÍ are appealing for information after a woman was accosted and robbed at Ballykinsella during rush hour this morning.

511

realies wrote: »

Why is it so important that the attacker is a non national ? Unfortunately there are lots of attacks on women in Ireland that don't even get any media attention , Are non national attacks more gruesome than people who live here attacks ?

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

Generic Dreadhead

2 Things.

1) Why is Non-National in inverted commas like that?
2) The headline doesn't contain that phrase

Lone female driver pulled from car, pinned to bonnet and beaten as robber searched for valuables

seamus

Irish Independent. 'nuff said.

Complete rag.

Graces7

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

There are words to describe this post but they are words I would never ever use. Are you serious or is your post in jest? Hopefully the latter..

Whosthis

osarusan wrote: »

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2016/01/22/appeal-for-information-as-woman-robbed/



Took me 2 minutes to find that it was reported on the day of the attack.

FFS, how are we going to get this witch hunt started with the likes of you around?

511

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

Really?

I would have thought, in light of what we have discovered over the past decade, that we might be hard to beat when it comes to the old violence, sex, child abuse stuff etc. Even if you say foreigners are worse, you'd accept that we're no angels ourselves, would you?

corner of hells

kneemos wrote: »

I'll see your non national and raise you a migrant and two travellers.

I'll raise you an immigrant, a double buggy and a bus stop.

corner of hells

Whosthis wrote: »

FFS, how are we going to get this witch hunt started with the likes of you around?

Listen this pitchfork is heavy and the flaming torch is burning my hand , what'll I do ?

StringerBell

Don't get out of your cars in those situations people, she heard a bang on the car, thought she saw a guy falling in to a ditch, assuming she hit him I guess stopped the car to investigate, thats when it happened. Poor woman.

This method is quite common in Waterford and has been for a long time, people faking injury to get you to slow your car or stop so they can rob it or you

turnikett1

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

No, its not common sense, its idiocy. Not everyone from Asia in Africa is a violent rapist. Also good on job on making sweeping generalizations. "Countries in Asia and Africa", because the 102 countries that make up Asia and Africa are all more or less the same right?

The Irish have higher binge drinking rates than most of the world. Does this mean that Australia, Canada, the US etc now also suffer from endemic binge drinking?

arayess

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

It helps potential witnesses - a local who knows mick up the road is a dirtbag and saw him in the area as to distinguish him from Pavel who was also seen in the area and regrettably is also a dirtbag.
The cops might already suspect Pavel and a witness might copper fasten this.
You know what the say on crimecall any evidence no matter how small can be crucial to the cops as it might confirm other info they have.

plus it is nice to know if we are importing dirtbags as well as contending with our homegrown ones.

Get over the over-sensitive racist outrage and use some common sense.

or you could get on boards and bleat like sheep.....racism...racism racism...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

tritium

How do we know they're non national, did someone see their passport? Given the number of Irish born persons of eastern European, African, north and south american extraction etc over the last 25 years or so it seems a lazy and dangerously xenophobic description. By all means describe key characteristics-caucasian/ Asian etc, height , build but please stop turning this into a race agenda

ceadaoin.

This is a tactic used by criminals in America too, it's nothing new. Best advice is not to stop or get out of the car, drive further on and call the guards.

The Randy Riverbeast

turnikett1 wrote: »

No, its not common sense, its idiocy. Not everyone from Asia in Africa is a violent rapist. Also good on job on making sweeping generalizations. "Countries in Asia and Africa", because the 102 countries that make up Asia and Africa are all more or less the same right?

The Irish have higher binge drinking rates than most of the world. Does this mean that Australia, Canada, the US etc now also suffer from endemic binge drinking?

No but they have fun with drunk Irish people! It turns out some Irish people aren't the perfect immigrants the anti immigration crowd think they are.

Non national is a bit vague, are we talking UK, US, China, Antartica?

corner of hells

ceadaoin. wrote: »

This is a tactic used by criminals in America too, it's nothing new. Best advice is not to stop or get out of the car, drive further on and call the guards.

If you think I'm going to phone the Gardai from Florida ., you've another thing coming.

BigJackC

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

No but they have fun with drunk Irish people! It turns out some Irish people aren't the perfect immigrants the anti immigration crowd think they are

Can you show me where the "anti immigrant crowd" claimed this? If Irish people abroad act the pup they should be deported. As should the "non nationals" who attacked and robbed the woman in Waterford.

Mr McBoatface

osarusan wrote: »

Took me 2 minutes to find that it was reported on the day of the attack.

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2016/01/22/appeal-for-information-as-woman-robbed/

The description of the attacker was not in that report , the pretty useless Garda description of "Non National" was not issued until recently. Why delay the description and why not issue a physical description ?

The Backwards Man

Sweden - check
Rape - check
Germany - check
Immigrant - check
PC Brigade - check

All I need now is cuck and Muslim horde for a full house in 'I don't care about the victim only how they fit into my agenda' bingo.

BigJackC

Graces7 wrote: »

There are words to describe this post but they are words I would never ever use. Are you serious or is your post in jest? Hopefully the latter..

Are you going to try and argue that large scale immigration from such regions has not increased violent and sexual crimes across Europe? Because that would be a pretty ridiculous argument to try and make.

The Backwards Man

BigJackC wrote: »

Are you going to try and argue that large scale immigration from such regions has not increased violent and sexual crimes across Europe? Because that would be a pretty ridiculous argument to try and make.

And that has what to do with a robbery in Dungarvan exactly?

Little CuChulainn

jobyrne30 wrote: »

The description of the attacker was not in that report , the pretty useless Garda description of "Non National" was not issued until recently. Why delay the description and why not issue a physical description ?

Maybe there is no physical description available. How hard is that to comprehend?

P. Breathnach

511 wrote: »

1. It's helps identify the culprit.
2. It's important to know if immigrants are integrating, so we don't end up like Sweden or Germany.

Countries in Asia and Africa have much higher rape rate and violence against women than Ireland does, so importing more will increase those rates. Common sense, really.

We also have large numbers of "non-nationals" who are not of Asian or African ethnicity.

arayess

P. Breathnach wrote: »

We also have large numbers of "non-nationals" who are not of Asian or African ethnicity.

well written ! captain obvious !

osarusan

The suspect is hatless....I repeat, hatless.

Mr McBoatface

The Backwards Man wrote: »

And that has what to do with a robbery in Dungarvan exactly?

There are fears in Dungarvan over safety because of the placement of Syrian refugees and the lack of suitable facilities for them.

The Garda issues a delayed non-descript description of a Non-National after the attack. It's irresponsible to have such a delay, given the locals very understandable fears and what has happened else where in Europe.

kneemos

osarusan wrote: »

The suspect is hatless....I repeat, hatless.

Roger.

That's a 10.14 on the hat.

thattequilagirl

I just wished we cared this much every time a woman is attacked.

Tordelback

Oh if only we could go back to those glorious days (1922-1975, wasn't it?) when the black protestants had been driven north of the Wall and the lesser races of the east and south had yet to invade with their funny spices, unpronuncable names and constant raping. Not a child molested, not a gassun mugged, and as for the bountiful employment opportunites!

The first thing I'm going to do when they invent time travel is offer every "I'm not a racist, but..." character the chance to live out their days in the paradisical immigrant-free decade of their choosing. It's no more than they deserve.

kneemos

jobyrne30 wrote: »

There are fears in Dungarvan over safety because of the placement of Syrian refugees and the lack of suitable facilities for them.

The Garda issues a delayed non-descript description of a Non-National after the attack. It's irresponsible to have such a delay, given the locals very understandable fears and what has happened else where in Europe.

The description wasn't delayed and the scary Syrians haven't arrived.

Little CuChulainn

jobyrne30 wrote: »

There are fears in Dungarvan over safety because of the placement of Syrian refugees and the lack of suitable facilities for them.

The Garda issues a delayed non-descript description of a Non-National after the attack. It's irresponsible to have such a delay, given the locals very understandable fears and what has happened else where in Europe.

Are you just reading the posts that suit you? First of all, the Gardaí didn't release a description. They appealed for anyone who saw anything suspicious in the area. It appears to be the Indo that added the non national description. And in any case, Gardaí don't release descriptions unless they have them. If the eye witness didn't provide one then none will be released. Also, appeals like this are for witnesses to an actual incident at a certain time and place. They don't give out detailed descriptions because it will taint your witness account.

Mr McBoatface

kneemos wrote: »

The description wasn't delayed and the scary Syrians haven't arrived.

There was no mention or description of Non-Nationals in the media until yesterday. The Syrians have arrived on the 17th of December in Dungarvan. There are Syrians located in Kildare and other places too.

http://www.wlrfm.com/news/local/57610-syrian-refugees-in-waterford-begin-language-classes.html

Cienciano

jobyrne30 wrote: »

The Garda description was of "Non National" it's not a physical description. How can it be expected the public protect themselves from criminals if no meaningful description is given ?

Explain to me this: How is knowing what country the guy is from going to help protect you? Lock your car doors will help a lot more than knowing what country the guy is born in.

Mesrine65

Non-national could be anyone from the UK...

Mr McBoatface

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Are you just reading the posts that suit you? First of all, the Gardaí didn't release a description. They appealed for anyone who saw anything suspicious in the area. It appears to be the Indo that added the non national description. And in any case, Gardaí don't release descriptions unless they have them. If the eye witness didn't provide one then none will be released. Also, appeals like this are for witnesses to an actual incident at a certain time and place. They don't give out detailed descriptions because it will taint your witness account.

So the Garda don't issue warning with descriptions then for public safety ? What about this http://www.98fm.com/Clondalkin-Car-Owners-Warned-To-Be-Alert

conorhal

mayordenis wrote: »

How many people are attacked by white Irish here last year? Actually how many people were attacked by white Irish yesterday?

An insufficient number aparently, the Irish are just too lazy to do this kind of dirty work which must be why we need to import foreign nationals to pick up the slack.

arayess

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I just wished we cared this much every time a woman is attacked.

maybe that speaks volumes about you

I for one care...
even if i didn't care "everytime" this event seems particularly nasty way

Mr McBoatface

Cienciano wrote: »

Explain to me this: How is knowing what country the guy is from going to help protect you? Lock your car doors will help a lot more than knowing what country the guy is born in.

It wont but a public warning with description would help. As in this warning issued here http://www.98fm.com/Clondalkin-Car-Owners-Warned-To-Be-Alert

The man is described as short, with red hair and when spotted yesterday, he was dressed all in black and had a bag on his back..

Much better than non national which is meaningless in its value.