Clamping solution

Bongalongherb · 01-02-2016 01:15PM

Falcon L wrote: »

Respectfully, you're wrong. The disc detainer locks used by NCPS don't use pins like your hall door probably does. It uses a series of revolving discs that mist be aligned properly to allow the bar inside the lock to drop into the groove in each disc, freeing the stack to turn.

The Southord pick set will work on pin locks and wafer locks, but not on disc detainer locks.

Source: hobby lockpicker for over 20 years.

Let me look into that.

Falcon L · 01-02-2016 01:18PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Let me look into that.

http://www.walkerlocksmiths.co.uk/padlock-picks-tools/disk-detainer-picks

This might help.

Bongalongherb · 01-02-2016 01:21PM

Falcon L wrote: »

http://www.walkerlocksmiths.co.uk/padlock-picks-tools/disk-detainer-picks

This might help.

Ah I see what you mean now. This little feller here for the disc-detainer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr76jNJkZjU

recipio · 01-02-2016 01:22PM

Surely they will be caught on camera or at least get a visit from the Gardai. ? I suppose someone who doesn't give a toss for the disabled won't worry about it anyway.?

Charles Babbage · 01-02-2016 01:27PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Before this evening I'd never heard of a consaw.

It is used by conmen.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 01-02-2016 02:32PM

A few months ago my oh was clamped in his own parking space in our estate. He rang the private clamping company up, calmly told them to take it off, they made a mistake, and was told he'd have to pay it but could appeal it for a refund.
Of course he was raging and had no intention of paying it, so he popped the lock on it. Took the clamp down to the sign where the private company had stated they were operating in the area and he clamped the clamp around the sign with their own lock, because although he had beaten the living daylights out of it, it still locked.

I got clamped a few years ago, same company, had a ticket on my car but they obviously didn't see it/didn't check. Same story, pay and appeal. My brother came over with a consaw and that was the end of it.

Sheep Lover · 01-02-2016 02:39PM

In fairness it is pretty ridiculous how they postion all the handicap spots in the best spots in the car park usually near the front door.

seamus · 01-02-2016 02:42PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

How can they prove it was him "wot dun de crimnal damage"?

If it's pursued as a civil matter rather than a criminal one, it only needs to proven on the balance of probabilities that you were the one who damaged it.
If you can come up with a plausible explanation as to how a clamp on your car was cut off by someone else without your prompting or intervention, you might get away with it.

Bongalongherb wrote: »

This is all you need, problem solved when you learn to lock-pick. It's easy to train yourself in how to do this, but it is illegal to do this on Council clamps and you will be prosecuted. Private clamping companies in this case of... Once you do not damage the clamp you are ok.

Just don't get caught with the set in your car. Your problems will be a lot bigger than being clamped.

recipio · 01-02-2016 02:55PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

In fairness it is pretty ridiculous how they postion all the handicap spots in the best spots in the car park usually near the front door.

Your sympathy for the disabled is touching

Mind you, I have been told by a few GPs that people want disabled parking for spurious reasons like a 'bad back' - they are regarded as an entitlement like free travel.:eek:

gizmo555 · 01-02-2016 03:03PM

seamus wrote: »

If it's pursued as a civil matter rather than a criminal one, it only needs to proven on the balance of probabilities that you were the one who damaged it.

Has anyone ever been successfully pursued in the Irish civil courts for allegedly damaging a private firm's clamp on private property?

eisenberg1 · 01-02-2016 03:28PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

In fairness it is pretty ridiculous how they postion all the handicap spots in the best spots in the car park usually near the front door.

You are joking, right?

Capt'n Midnight · 01-02-2016 07:50PM

Who you gonna call ?

Anglegrinderman
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3112670.stm

Wheel Clamp Man
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9502363/Wheel-Clamp-Man-with-his-hard-hat-and-angle-grinder-on-the-streets-of-Perth.html

Bongalongherb · 01-02-2016 08:45PM

seamus wrote: »

If it's pursued as a civil matter rather than a criminal one, it only needs to proven on the balance of probabilities that you were the one who damaged it.
If you can come up with a plausible explanation as to how a clamp on your car was cut off by someone else without your prompting or intervention, you might get away with it.

Just don't get caught with the set in your car. Your problems will be a lot bigger than being clamped.

Not at all. A private clamping company clamper can stand by you with a guard and you are telling the guard that you are going to pick the lock of the clamp and it will not be damaged in any way... The guard will step aside and tell you and the clamper there is nothing they can do once the clamp and lock is not damaged. Fact whether folk like it or not.

As I have previously said... interfering with a council clamp will get you fined either way no matter what you do so pay the fine as there is no way out with them. But private clamper's pick it and sell the clamp back to them for €50, if they will not accept €50 then lower your price to €30 no lower.

Bongalongherb · 01-02-2016 08:47PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Who you gonna call ?

Anglegrinderman
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3112670.stm

Wheel Clamp Man
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9502363/Wheel-Clamp-Man-with-his-hard-hat-and-angle-grinder-on-the-streets-of-Perth.html

Who you gonna call ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc

dxhound2005 · 01-02-2016 09:10PM

brightspark wrote: »

I don't see the point in clamping those using disabled spaces....

They should just tow it away and crush it (with a note sent to the insurance company telling them it wasn't stolen, just owned by an idiot who shouldn't be let on public roads)

Caliden wrote: »

Totally agree. Should've been towed as it's the height of ignorance and selfishness to park in them if the driver or passengers aren't disabled.

Personally I wouldn't even think about doing it even if it was the last spot in a car park and I'd been looking for a space for the past hour.

Can't be towed for 24 hours, that is the law. I remember the same argument being made about cars illegally parked in bus lanes, why inconvenience traffic even more by clamping them.

But, probably in the large majority of cases, the offenders remove their illegally parked car within a couple of hours, and too bad if it has been clamped. It would be very expensive to tow every illegally parked car and store them and do all the subsequent paperwork.

seamus · 02-02-2016 09:56AM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Not at all. A private clamping company clamper can stand by you with a guard and you are telling the guard that you are going to pick the lock of the clamp and it will not be damaged in any way...

That's not what I mean. If you get stopped at a checkpoint and for whatever reason you're unlucky enough to get searched, or you have the picks in plain view, you can be charged basically with being "ready" to go burgling. I forget the specific offence, it's something like "being equipped to steal".

I'm not sure how far, "I only carry it around to take clamps off" will go.

Falcon L · 02-02-2016 10:04AM

seamus wrote: »

That's not what I mean. If you get stopped at a checkpoint and for whatever reason you're unlucky enough to get searched, or you have the picks in plain view, you can be charged basically with being "ready" to go burgling. I forget the specific offence, it's something like "being equipped to steal".

I'm not sure how far, "I only carry it around to take clamps off" will go.

This is true. If I have a crowbar and a screwdriver in my car, and say I'm going to my daughter's house to do some work, I'm ok. But if I have my picks, that I use for my hobby, I can be in trouble.

The fact is that I would be in less trouble for parking in a disabled spot than I would for legally following one of my hobbies.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 02-02-2016 10:06AM

recipio wrote: »

Your sympathy for the disabled is touching Mind you, I have been told by a few GPs that people want disabled parking for spurious reasons like a 'bad back' - they are regarded as an entitlement like free travel.:eek:

With respect, I've suffered from back issues and it can be debilitating,

andekwarhola · 02-02-2016 10:54AM

Maybe it's just me but wouldn't all this furious effort and planning be better served being channeled into things like your fitness, career or hobbies as opposed to Fighting The Power to deprive disabled people of their designated parking spaces?

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