Clamping solution

tismesoitis

Saw a lad clamped outside the driaocht theatre at the blanchardstown centre today. Driving a limerick reg Passat . He was in one of the wheelchair / disabled spaces. Took out a con saw and cut the clamp off the wheel. Thought it was very funny. He just didn't give a fook😀😀😂

tomwaterford

I often wondered could a lad not just leave the air outta the tyre and remove them that way
(I've never been clamped..as I live in back arse of nowhere)

The Backwards Man

I know where I'd take a con saw to someone parked in a disabled space. And it wouldn't be to create a channel in their drive to divert the water from running into their lawn in this bad weather.

recylingbin

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I know where I'd take a con saw to someone parked in a disabled space. And it wouldn't be to create a channel in their drive to divert the water from running into their lawn in this bad weather.

You haven't lived til you've parked in a handicapped spot. Its a gamechanger.

brightspark

I don't see the point in clamping those using disabled spaces....



They should just tow it away and crush it (with a note sent to the insurance company telling them it wasn't stolen, just owned by an idiot who shouldn't be let on public roads)

If he carries a con saw, it seems like he does this frequently.

Some people who are not getting the message should get each finger bent back till a bone snaps.

The King of Moo

Consensus:

Someone who parks in a disabled space: scumbag.

Someone who parks in a disabled space and gets clamped for doing so: leg-end cos the clampers are d*Cks lol!!

Torricelli

He should have cut his leg off with the consaw.

Bang! He's disabled. Clamp removed.

maudgonner

Utter scumbag.

With one exception: if he was in a wheelchair and was doing it as a protest at having to pay 35 euro for a blue badge (which is a bloody disgrace as far as I'm concerned) then he's grand. Somehow I doubt that's the case though.

The King of Moo

Before this evening I'd never heard of a consaw.

mattaiuseire

He won't be laughing when he receives the fine in the post along with a court summons for criminal damage.

corner of hells

maudgonner wrote: »

Utter scumbag.

With one exception: if he was in a wheelchair and was doing it as a protest at having to pay 35 euro for a blue badge (which is a bloody disgrace as far as I'm concerned) then he's grand. Somehow I doubt that's the case though.

My mother has a blue badge , thing is she keeps it in her bag even though I paid for it.
Told her I'd con saw her wheel chair in half if she didn't give me it.

Them telescopic walking sticks hurt when hit on the head too.

Hammer89

mattaiuseire wrote: »

He won't be laughing when he receives the fine in the post along with a court summons for criminal damage.

I get the impression he might.

jimbis

mattaiuseire wrote: »

He won't be laughing when he receives the fine in the post along with a court summons for criminal damage.

Majority of the time you won't hear anything from the clampers! Unless it's Dublin city ones.

AnonoBoy

Clamping Solution sounds like a liquid you use on your nipples to alleviate chaffing after a particularly rigorous S&M session.

Donald Trump

We all know there is only one fool-proof solution!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ1bBeNK22s

Bongalongherb

This is all you need, problem solved when you learn to lock-pick. It's easy to train yourself in how to do this, but it is illegal to do this on Council clamps and you will be prosecuted. Private clamping companies in this case of... Once you do not damage the clamp you are ok.

Southord C2010 Twenty-Two Piece Slim Line Lock Pick Set.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/C2010-Twenty-Two-Piece-Slim-Line/dp/B009WLZ9PY

And Video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=238rg_hFlgM

Graces7

maudgonner wrote: »

Utter scumbag.

With one exception: if he was in a wheelchair and was doing it as a protest at having to pay 35 euro for a blue badge (which is a bloody disgrace as far as I'm concerned) then he's grand. Somehow I doubt that's the case though.

Well said indeed. My disabled badge is out of date; not just the E35 but add for photos and you have to get a letter from your doctor and I think get ot signed by the Gardai.. I almost never park on streets but in shop car parks and if anyone dares to challenge me, I will tell them that I can get nearly 3 big bags of coal which I need. My condition has deteriorated since I got the badge anyways. NB I Once saw an AN POST van parked in a disabled parking place. and what IS a consaw? Sounds handy...;)

BattleCorp

mattaiuseire wrote: »

He won't be laughing when he receives the fine in the post along with a court summons for criminal damage.

How can they prove it was him "wot dun de crimnal damage"?

Cookie_Monster

maudgonner wrote: »

Utter scumbag.

With one exception: if he was in a wheelchair and was doing it as a protest at having to pay 35 euro for a blue badge (which is a bloody disgrace as far as I'm concerned) then he's grand. Somehow I doubt that's the case though.

the several grand they can get off a new car more than makes up for the minuscule cost of a badge

Akrasia

Graces7 wrote: »

Well said indeed. My disabled badge is out of date; not just the E35 but add for photos and you have to get a letter from your doctor and I think get ot signed by the Gardai.. I almost never park on streets but in shop car parks and if anyone dares to challenge me, I will tell them that I can get nearly 3 big bags of coal which I need. My condition has deteriorated since I got the badge anyways. NB I Once saw an AN POST van parked in a disabled parking place. and what IS a consaw? Sounds handy...;)

Very handy, if you're buying one, you also need one of these for dramatic effect

Falcon L

Bongalongherb wrote: »

This is all you need, problem solved when you learn to lock-pick. It's easy to train yourself in how to do this, but it is illegal to do this on Council clamps and you will be prosecuted. Private clamping companies in this case of... Once you do not damage the clamp you are ok.

Southord C2010 Twenty-Two Piece Slim Line Lock Pick Set.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/C2010-Twenty-Two-Piece-Slim-Line/dp/B009WLZ9PY

And Video...

You won't rake a NCPS lock like that and those picks will be of no use. There is a special tool to pick disc detainer locks like the clampers use. Costs about a fiver.

Caliden

brightspark wrote: »

I don't see the point in clamping those using disabled spaces....



They should just tow it away and crush it (with a note sent to the insurance company telling them it wasn't stolen, just owned by an idiot who shouldn't be let on public roads)

Totally agree. Should've been towed as it's the height of ignorance and selfishness to park in them if the driver or passengers aren't disabled.

Personally I wouldn't even think about doing it even if it was the last spot in a car park and I'd been looking for a space for the past hour.

maudgonner

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

the several grand they can get off a new car more than makes up for the minuscule cost of a badge

A parking badge does not entitle you to tax relief, that's a separate system. Not everyone who qualifies for a disabled badge qualifies for tax exemptions.

<s>But you're right, the cheek of those with serious impairment to claim relief on the cost of a specially adapted car that allows them independence in a country where many cannot rely on public transport. Tax-dodging scumbags, worse than the bankers </s>

BattleCorp

Akrasia wrote: »

Under Health & Safety rules, you must have completed an 'Abrasive Wheel' course before attempting to use a con saw.

Please leave your Abrasive Wheel Cert on the dashboard of your car so that I know you have been properly trained.

Can't have untrained people removing clamps. :pac:

Graces7

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

the several grand they can get off a new car more than makes up for the minuscule cost of a badge

Who? Getting several grand off a new car I mean? I am registered disabled and have a blue badge but never a cent off a replacement car. If you mean the adapted versions than fine. But getting a Primary medical Certificate covers only very very severe disabilities eg losing an arm or leg, My current car is 15 years old and seems almost impossible to insure and there is not a penny I can get as help.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

maudgonner wrote: »

A parking badge does not entitle you to tax relief, that's a separate system. Not everyone who qualifies for a disabled badge qualifies for tax exemptions.

<s>But you're right, the cheek of those with serious impairment to claim relief on the cost of a specially adapted car that allows them independence in a country where many cannot rely on public transport. Tax-dodging scumbags, worse than the bankers </s>

Big difference between a Disabled parking permit and a car modified for disabled drivers alright.
We have a permit that we use when Mrs S is with me. It does my head in to see people park illegally in disabled spots. One guy tried to argue that he could get a permit easily as he qualified for one. Fine so, get one but without a valid one you are parking illegally. €35 for two years is a gift. They'll pay tax and insurance and fuel but won't pay for their parking permit.

Bongalongherb

Falcon L wrote: »

You won't rake a NCPS lock like that and those picks will be of no use. There is a special tool to pick disc detainer locks like the clampers use. Costs about a fiver.

I have to disagree with you there. The lock-pick package will open any of them, tried and tested. Some are hard at first to unlock but you just fiddle away for a while to remove the gunk and particles from inside the lock itself, then you have the smoothness to unlock each cylinder. Easy job. A jiggle here and a jiggle there pop, lock releases.

Falcon L

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I have to disagree with you there. The lock-pick package will open any of them, tried and tested. Some are hard at first to unlock but you just fiddle away for a while to remove the gunk and particles from inside the lock itself, then you have the smoothness to unlock each cylinder. Easy job. A jiggle here and a jiggle there pop, lock releases.

Respectfully, you're wrong. The disc detainer locks used by NCPS don't use pins like your hall door probably does. It uses a series of revolving discs that mist be aligned properly to allow the bar inside the lock to drop into the groove in each disc, freeing the stack to turn.

The Southord pick set will work on pin locks and wafer locks, but not on disc detainer locks.

Source: hobby lockpicker for over 20 years.

Trent Houseboat

Falcon L wrote:

Source: hobby lockpicker for over 20 years.

Sure, and I have the balaclava and machete for winter gardening.

Falcon L

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Sure, and I have the balaclava and machete for winter gardening.

Good for you. The balaclava will keep your brain warm.

Bongalongherb

Falcon L wrote: »

Respectfully, you're wrong. The disc detainer locks used by NCPS don't use pins like your hall door probably does. It uses a series of revolving discs that mist be aligned properly to allow the bar inside the lock to drop into the groove in each disc, freeing the stack to turn.

The Southord pick set will work on pin locks and wafer locks, but not on disc detainer locks.

Source: hobby lockpicker for over 20 years.

Let me look into that.

Falcon L

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Let me look into that.

http://www.walkerlocksmiths.co.uk/padlock-picks-tools/disk-detainer-picks

This might help.

Bongalongherb

Falcon L wrote: »

http://www.walkerlocksmiths.co.uk/padlock-picks-tools/disk-detainer-picks

This might help.

Ah I see what you mean now. This little feller here for the disc-detainer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr76jNJkZjU

recipio

Surely they will be caught on camera or at least get a visit from the Gardai. ? I suppose someone who doesn't give a toss for the disabled won't worry about it anyway.?

Charles Babbage

The King of Moo wrote: »

Before this evening I'd never heard of a consaw.

It is used by conmen.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

A few months ago my oh was clamped in his own parking space in our estate. He rang the private clamping company up, calmly told them to take it off, they made a mistake, and was told he'd have to pay it but could appeal it for a refund.
Of course he was raging and had no intention of paying it, so he popped the lock on it. Took the clamp down to the sign where the private company had stated they were operating in the area and he clamped the clamp around the sign with their own lock, because although he had beaten the living daylights out of it, it still locked.

I got clamped a few years ago, same company, had a ticket on my car but they obviously didn't see it/didn't check. Same story, pay and appeal. My brother came over with a consaw and that was the end of it.

Sheep Lover

In fairness it is pretty ridiculous how they postion all the handicap spots in the best spots in the car park usually near the front door.

seamus

BattleCorp wrote: »

How can they prove it was him "wot dun de crimnal damage"?

If it's pursued as a civil matter rather than a criminal one, it only needs to proven on the balance of probabilities that you were the one who damaged it.
If you can come up with a plausible explanation as to how a clamp on your car was cut off by someone else without your prompting or intervention, you might get away with it.

Bongalongherb wrote: »

This is all you need, problem solved when you learn to lock-pick. It's easy to train yourself in how to do this, but it is illegal to do this on Council clamps and you will be prosecuted. Private clamping companies in this case of... Once you do not damage the clamp you are ok.

Just don't get caught with the set in your car. Your problems will be a lot bigger than being clamped.

recipio

Sheep Lover wrote: »

In fairness it is pretty ridiculous how they postion all the handicap spots in the best spots in the car park usually near the front door.

Your sympathy for the disabled is touching Mind you, I have been told by a few GPs that people want disabled parking for spurious reasons like a 'bad back' - they are regarded as an entitlement like free travel.:eek:

gizmo555

seamus wrote: »

If it's pursued as a civil matter rather than a criminal one, it only needs to proven on the balance of probabilities that you were the one who damaged it.

Has anyone ever been successfully pursued in the Irish civil courts for allegedly damaging a private firm's clamp on private property?

eisenberg1

Sheep Lover wrote: »

In fairness it is pretty ridiculous how they postion all the handicap spots in the best spots in the car park usually near the front door.

You are joking, right?

Capt'n Midnight

Who you gonna call ?

Anglegrinderman
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3112670.stm

Wheel Clamp Man
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9502363/Wheel-Clamp-Man-with-his-hard-hat-and-angle-grinder-on-the-streets-of-Perth.html

Bongalongherb

seamus wrote: »

If it's pursued as a civil matter rather than a criminal one, it only needs to proven on the balance of probabilities that you were the one who damaged it.
If you can come up with a plausible explanation as to how a clamp on your car was cut off by someone else without your prompting or intervention, you might get away with it.

Just don't get caught with the set in your car. Your problems will be a lot bigger than being clamped.

Not at all. A private clamping company clamper can stand by you with a guard and you are telling the guard that you are going to pick the lock of the clamp and it will not be damaged in any way... The guard will step aside and tell you and the clamper there is nothing they can do once the clamp and lock is not damaged. Fact whether folk like it or not.

As I have previously said... interfering with a council clamp will get you fined either way no matter what you do so pay the fine as there is no way out with them. But private clamper's pick it and sell the clamp back to them for €50, if they will not accept €50 then lower your price to €30 no lower.

Bongalongherb

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Who you gonna call ?

Anglegrinderman
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3112670.stm

Wheel Clamp Man
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9502363/Wheel-Clamp-Man-with-his-hard-hat-and-angle-grinder-on-the-streets-of-Perth.html

Who you gonna call ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc

dxhound2005

brightspark wrote: »

I don't see the point in clamping those using disabled spaces....



They should just tow it away and crush it (with a note sent to the insurance company telling them it wasn't stolen, just owned by an idiot who shouldn't be let on public roads)

Caliden wrote: »

Totally agree. Should've been towed as it's the height of ignorance and selfishness to park in them if the driver or passengers aren't disabled.

Personally I wouldn't even think about doing it even if it was the last spot in a car park and I'd been looking for a space for the past hour.

Can't be towed for 24 hours, that is the law. I remember the same argument being made about cars illegally parked in bus lanes, why inconvenience traffic even more by clamping them.

But, probably in the large majority of cases, the offenders remove their illegally parked car within a couple of hours, and too bad if it has been clamped. It would be very expensive to tow every illegally parked car and store them and do all the subsequent paperwork.

seamus

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Not at all. A private clamping company clamper can stand by you with a guard and you are telling the guard that you are going to pick the lock of the clamp and it will not be damaged in any way...

That's not what I mean. If you get stopped at a checkpoint and for whatever reason you're unlucky enough to get searched, or you have the picks in plain view, you can be charged basically with being "ready" to go burgling. I forget the specific offence, it's something like "being equipped to steal".

I'm not sure how far, "I only carry it around to take clamps off" will go.

Falcon L

seamus wrote: »

That's not what I mean. If you get stopped at a checkpoint and for whatever reason you're unlucky enough to get searched, or you have the picks in plain view, you can be charged basically with being "ready" to go burgling. I forget the specific offence, it's something like "being equipped to steal".

I'm not sure how far, "I only carry it around to take clamps off" will go.

This is true. If I have a crowbar and a screwdriver in my car, and say I'm going to my daughter's house to do some work, I'm ok. But if I have my picks, that I use for my hobby, I can be in trouble.

The fact is that I would be in less trouble for parking in a disabled spot than I would for legally following one of my hobbies.

Arbiter of Good Taste

recipio wrote: »

Your sympathy for the disabled is touching Mind you, I have been told by a few GPs that people want disabled parking for spurious reasons like a 'bad back' - they are regarded as an entitlement like free travel.:eek:

With respect, I've suffered from back issues and it can be debilitating,

andekwarhola

Maybe it's just me but wouldn't all this furious effort and planning be better served being channeled into things like your fitness, career or hobbies as opposed to Fighting The Power to deprive disabled people of their designated parking spaces?