Irish Government and social welfare sods!

thee glitz · 30-01-2016 02:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe this person has issues that are beyond help.

Ye he seems to be fierce thick, ignorant and ungrateful.

Badly Drunk Boy · 30-01-2016 02:50PM

Caspian Polite Sandstone wrote: »

Excluding single childless working people, The whole country is on some type of state funded welfare.

Yeah, yiz are welcome! :mad:

questionmark? · 30-01-2016 02:52PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

The social welfare payment was 204 euro a week, it was reduced to 188, fine gael have cut welfare payments, and taken away services from disabled people,this government is not a friend of people relying on social welfare payments. maybe your friend needed help with some issue in the past and got no help from these parties, and they just show up when they are looking for votes.

Hold on a second was it not the FF/Green government that cut the dole. It was also the FF/Green government that cut the minimum wage. It was the FG/Lab government that increased the minimum wage back to its previous level and has again increased it and has also re-introduced some of the Christmas bonus for those on welfare.

myshirt · 30-01-2016 02:53PM

sozbox wrote: »

FF cut job seekers and cut min wage, FG didn't touch job seekers rates and raised the min wage twice in 5 years. Facts please facts.

To be fair to you, that's correct, and I have to commend them on that. It was completely wrong to cut minimum wage.

Lads - aswell, minimum wage is not too bad in this country. It comes out at somewhere near 45% of the median wage in the country, which is not entirely shabby compared to some other countries. We still have some distance to go though to get to equality. It goes without saying that Dublin is in a different world.... I feel ashamed of myself knowing the amount of kids in poverty, and the amount of young workers f#cked over in favour of older workers by their unions. There is a whole generation of public sector workers who should absolutely be culled, and payment clawed back from them. Piss poor performance. Piss poor. It is a real scandal for a young couple trying to make a go of this world, to put their hand into their pocket and feel nothing but their leg.

sozbox · 30-01-2016 02:54PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

FG cut carer's payments and payments to the disabled and kids with special needs.

Respite care grant was fully restored in Budget 2016. You can't provide these services unless you have a strong economy to pay for them. I trust FG to provide a strong economy.

Galwayguy35 · 30-01-2016 02:54PM

Don't agree with telling a TD who comes to the door canvassing to fook off, I might not agree with them but it costs nothing to be polite.

questionmark? · 30-01-2016 02:58PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Don't agree with telling a TD who comes to the door canvassing to fook off, I might not agree with them but it costs nothing to be polite.

Your damn right. It's not too hard to either put a few tough questions to them or to tell them I won't vote for you so I'd rather not talk to you and end it there. Telling people to fook off is child like behaviour.

myshirt · 30-01-2016 02:58PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Don't agree with telling a TD who comes to the door canvassing to fook off, I might not agree with them but it costs nothing to be polite.

Really support this.... I respect any person who puts themselves forward. There are some quite talented and able politicians out there (believe it or not) who might lead an easier and less stressful life if they just packed it in and done something else. There are chancers aswell; unethical and dodgy guys. But that's part and parcel of Ireland. You win some, you lose some.

pgj2015 · 30-01-2016 02:59PM

sozbox wrote: »

Respite care grant was fully restored in Budget 2016. You can't provide these services unless you have a strong economy to pay for them. I trust FG to provide a strong economy.

they only restored it because of the backlash they received for interfering with it in the first place, they deserve no credit for restoring it.

sozbox · 30-01-2016 03:03PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

they only restored it because of the backlash they received, they deserve no credit for restoring it.

Stuff needs to be paid for. They restored it because they could afford to do so due to a growing economy.

It's the same as your household economy, you want to provide a holiday for your family, you need a strong household economy to pay for it. You can incr your income, borrow or cut your costs. Either way the holiday has to be paid for if you want it.

30-01-2016 03:12PM

thee glitz wrote: »

Ye he seems to be fierce thick, ignorant and ungrateful.

He may indeed. But he may also be suffering crippling depression/tourettes/aspergers or another such illness that isn't visible like a broken limb.

Wibbs · 30-01-2016 03:12PM

sozbox wrote: »

Respite care grant was fully restored in Budget 2016.

It was.

You can't provide these services unless you have a strong economy to pay for them.

Very true.

I trust FG to provide a strong economy.

hahahahahha…. oh wait…* is that you Inda?

*TBH I consider few of the denizens of the Dail capable of creating a strong economy. I'd laugh at FF and Lab too and would likely require surgery for a prolapse at the very thought of SF and strong economy in the same breath.

sozbox · 30-01-2016 03:34PM

Wibbs wrote: »

It was. Very true. hahahahahha…. oh wait…* is that you Inda?

*TBH I consider few of the denizens of the Dail capable of creating a strong economy. I'd laugh at FF and Lab too and would likely require surgery for a prolapse at the very thought of SF and strong economy in the same breath.

Yes but then what is your alternative? In the context of the choices I have to run the country I trust FG on the economy. It's easier to laugh at every option but at the end of the day we have to choose a group of people to run a government, what's your ideal given the choices we have?

Wibbs · 30-01-2016 05:26PM

I see it as a Hobson's choice between the various parties, so none of the above and keep my head down and hope whoever gets in don't fcuk up too badly, until another crowd come in and rinse and repeat. It's come to that for me TBH and I feel those with hope in the current setup are scarily naive. I think the political class and structure in this country is a laughing stock that is truly, irrevocably fooked. It needs a strong enema and no way will turkeys vote for christmas so…

ToddyDoody · 30-01-2016 05:34PM

Can we have a 'people on the dole' forum, it'd be very busy.

Clampdown · 30-01-2016 07:00PM

I've done everything I can to be employed. College degree, FAS courses, Jobbridge, worked 12 hr nights on 30 day temp contracts for 12 months for a big pharma co. here in the Northwest only to be shown the door when they had filled their quota.

I'm now unemployed for over a year. I lived in the US for most of my adult life, from when I was 16 to when I returned to Ireland at 25. During that time I was never unemployed for more than a few weeks. (The flip side was I couldn't afford college which is why I came back, also my family moved back before me and I was on my own from 20-25 which was hard.)

I don't qualify for rent allowance or fuel allowance. I barely manage and often have very little left to buy food after bills are paid. I am desperate for a job, any job, and cannot even get interviews for min wage positions that I would honestly be embarrassed to tell my friends back in the states I was doing. But I would do them gladly to not be so broke.

I'm stuck in a horrible rut because I can't even save enough to move somewhere that has more opportunity for employment.

This government have not been helping those of us who have had our lives destroyed by a recession we did not create. They have demolished the futures of young people while making sure the banks and bondholders and Apples and Googles were well looked after. If you don't understand that, and think that people on the dole are all unjustifiably angry lazy sods, then seriously, you're a forking eejit.

And when I had work, I never once in my life looked down on those on the dole or begrudged them their pittance from the post office. I know it's a crap life. People who get all up in arms about the dole 'spongers' are such small minded, petty people. I can't wait to not be stuck like this and I hope some day people will lose this attitude. But I guess only people who have gone through it can sympathize.

There's been no recovery in the Northwest and any FF/FG/Lab austerity mongers will get the door slammed in their face if they come calling, and I hope they get smashed at the voting booths this year.

Grandeeod · 30-01-2016 07:19PM

Clampdown wrote: »

I've done everything I can to be employed. College degree, FAS courses, Jobbridge, worked 12 hr nights on 30 day temp contracts for 12 months for a big pharma co. here in the Northwest only to be shown the door when they had filled their quota.

I'm now unemployed for over a year. I lived in the US for most of my adult life, from when I was 16 to when I returned to Ireland at 25. During that time I was never unemployed for more than a few weeks. (The flip side was I couldn't afford college which is why I came back, also my family moved back before me and I was on my own from 20-25 which was hard.)

I don't qualify for rent allowance or fuel allowance. I barely manage and often have very little left to buy food after bills are paid. I am desperate for a job, any job, and cannot even get interviews for min wage positions that I would honestly be embarrassed to tell my friends back in the states I was doing. But I would do them gladly to not be so broke.

I'm stuck in a horrible rut because I can't even save enough to move somewhere that has more opportunity for employment.

This government have not been helping those of us who have had our lives destroyed by a recession we did not create. They have demolished the futures of young people while making sure the banks and bondholders and Apples and Googles were well looked after. If you don't understand that, and think that people on the dole are all unjustifiably angry lazy sods, then seriously, you're a forking eejit.

And when I had work, I never once in my life looked down on those on the dole or begrudged them their pittance from the post office. I know it's a crap life. People who get all up in arms about the dole 'spongers' are such small minded, petty people. I can't wait to not be stuck like this and I hope some day people will lose this attitude. But I guess only people who have gone through it can sympathize.

There's been no recovery in the Northwest and any FF/FG/Lab austerity mongers will get the door slammed in their face if they come calling, and I hope they get smashed at the voting booths this year.

You sound genuine. However you should try to accept that there exists an almost professional social welfare class and its always been there. It really isn't too much of a problem if a genuine person in a job gets a little bit pissed off at them and their winging about cuts and blah blah blah.

I would be of the opinion that some people genuinely in need of social welfare help don't even get it. When the recession bit, we heard about a lot of self employed people being cast adrift due to a different PRSI contribution and an assumption that lots of money was tucked away after the business collapsed. In Ireland self employed people aren't actually allowed to contribute a stamp that entitles them to dole if the business fails. But there was a step in that direction in the last budget. Loads more to do.

FalconGirl · 30-01-2016 09:08PM

Clampdown wrote: »

I've done everything I can to be employed. College degree, FAS courses, Jobbridge, worked 12 hr nights on 30 day temp contracts for 12 months for a big pharma co. here in the Northwest only to be shown the door when they had filled their quota.

I'm now unemployed for over a year. I lived in the US for most of my adult life, from when I was 16 to when I returned to Ireland at 25. During that time I was never unemployed for more than a few weeks. (The flip side was I couldn't afford college which is why I came back, also my family moved back before me and I was on my own from 20-25 which was hard.)

I don't qualify for rent allowance or fuel allowance. I barely manage and often have very little left to buy food after bills are paid. I am desperate for a job, any job, and cannot even get interviews for min wage positions that I would honestly be embarrassed to tell my friends back in the states I was doing. But I would do them gladly to not be so broke.

I'm stuck in a horrible rut because I can't even save enough to move somewhere that has more opportunity for employment.

This government have not been helping those of us who have had our lives destroyed by a recession we did not create. They have demolished the futures of young people while making sure the banks and bondholders and Apples and Googles were well looked after. If you don't understand that, and think that people on the dole are all unjustifiably angry lazy sods, then seriously, you're a forking eejit.

And when I had work, I never once in my life looked down on those on the dole or begrudged them their pittance from the post office. I know it's a crap life. People who get all up in arms about the dole 'spongers' are such small minded, petty people. I can't wait to not be stuck like this and I hope some day people will lose this attitude. But I guess only people who have gone through it can sympathize.

There's been no recovery in the Northwest and any FF/FG/Lab austerity mongers will get the door slammed in their face if they come calling, and I hope they get smashed at the voting booths this year.

I work and have been lucky enough to be employed in good positions for most of my life so far. However I agree with everything you say especially about helping the banks and MNC's at the detriment of the general populace. FF/FG/Lab are utter scumbags who have destroyed the social fabric of the country. Hospitals, homelessness, housing, lost generations, setting up utilities for buddies, quangos.... the list goes on.

Big business and brown envelopes is all that matters to them and for the first time ever in the next election I will not vote one of the trio.

I hope you get yourself sorted soon. :-)

thattequilagirl · 30-01-2016 10:04PM

I sympathize with your situation Clampdown. It sounds like you're making every effort. I'm from the West, so I get where you're coming from. This is a genuine question - what do you think the government should be doing to help? I mean, I understand your frustration with multinationals that pay little tax, but they do provide thousands of jobs. We'd be worse off without them. In rural/isolated areas, I'm not sure to what extent government can change the reality that goes with the demographic there?

thee glitz · 30-01-2016 10:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He may indeed. But he may also be suffering crippling depression/tourettes/aspergers or another such illness that isn't visible like a broken limb.

The lad, who has everything handed to him, tells an election candidate to get the fook out of his garden and you scrape and search for any possible mitigating circumstance?

Ok audience, fingers on your keypads please.
Is this fella suffering from depression, tourettes, aspergers, or being a duckhead?

Permabear · 30-01-2016 10:27PM

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recylingbin · 30-01-2016 10:30PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Don't agree with telling a TD who comes to the door canvassing to fook off, I might not agree with them but it costs nothing to be polite.

It also costs nothing to tell them to get fooked.
Unless they take you to court. Then it costs

mansize · 30-01-2016 10:30PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Can we have a 'people on the dole' forum, it'd be very busy.

And - Economic Migrants

Letree · 31-01-2016 12:42AM

Feckthis wrote: »

Just seen a post on Facebook of a person giving out about out the Irish government. Saying they are no good for noting. Said a TD called to his door he told him to get the f@@k out of his garden and that he was surprised that the TD Looked shocked. The same person hasn't worked a day in his life and is getting social welfare all of his life now I'm not judging him. I am critizing his mentally towards the situation he is in.

He gets money every week given to him by the state. He is in a house given to him by the state! Probably gets Fuel allowance, Family income supplement. His kids and himself probably all have medical cards all given to him by his and my Irish government that he is treating like **** when they call to his door. Again I am not judging him but he should really look at himself. Wow! Where would he be if the Irish government didn't give him and his family all of this stuff?! I regret to think about it.

I have been on the Dole myself for quiet along time actually! I also got Back to Education Allowance for 3 years while going throw college. Instead of slating the government I think I should be thanking them. Without the benefits they gave me when I was on my arse... I would of not been able to get back on track! Complete college, find work and now start my own business. So thank you Irish government. I appreciate everything you have done for me! Gluck Gluck Gluck!!

P.S Posted this here as the guy I'm talking about is kinda big and obnoxious. I don't fancy fighting him ha.

I'll judge him.. he is a disgraceful waster.

jimgoose · 31-01-2016 01:04AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Don't agree with telling a TD who comes to the door canvassing to fook off, I might not agree with them but it costs nothing to be polite.

Indeed. I'm thinking more along the lines of Uncle Phil and Jazzy Jeff. After rifling the vile toerag's pockets for my USC larceny.

Azalea · 31-01-2016 01:13AM

Hope you find a job soon, Clampdown. I know someone living in the north-west who has started her own business - it's not a picnic of course but it keeps her very occupied. Would you have skills that you could use in this way?

Clampdown · 31-01-2016 01:22AM

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I sympathize with your situation Clampdown. It sounds like you're making every effort. I'm from the West, so I get where you're coming from. This is a genuine question - what do you think the government should be doing to help? I mean, I understand your frustration with multinationals that pay little tax, but they do provide thousands of jobs. We'd be worse off without them. In rural/isolated areas, I'm not sure to what extent government can change the reality that goes with the demographic there?

Well, for starters, they need to stop taking credit for this 'recovery' which barely exists outside Dublin, and which they have nothing to do with. The minor recovery is IMO more down to the laws of probability. Eventually the little lines on the graph had to go back up a bit. Especially if, as you say, they can't really do anything to help. The way they are going on about it at the moment is infuriating.

Of course they can't create jobs for every unemployed person. But if they can't help or fix our situation, the least they could do is stop HURTING those of us who can't take any more cuts.

The cuts to people with disabilities and their cares alone should be enough to have them voted out.

How many entry level jobs were replaced by internships since they implemented Jobbridge? They tried to create jobs by taking away ones that were there!

The water charge, when caps come off, will be an enormous burden on every household.

If the large multinationals paid anything close to their fair share, ordinary people might not have to get taxed so badly, we might not have people on hospital trollies. If they get a better deal elsewhere they will leave anyway and the jobs will be gone anyway. It just shows how the economic recovery is all about lies and cheats. Jobs for IT professionals should not be a higher priority than badly nerdrd help for vulnerable people in poverty or in hospital.

My sister graduated as qualified vet nurse with an additional diploma in practice management. She was offered nothing but internships and one minimum wage maternity leave cover position, sent CVs to vet offices everywhere in Ireland. She was a single mum who had her benefit slashed once the child turned 7. I hated watching her struggle to provide for my niece (whose father bolted before the baby was born), while also dealing with the mental and emotional struggles unemployment brings.

She signed up to a UK recruitment agency, and within a month she had offers from all over England and one in Edinburgh. The one she went with, paid for her travel to the interview and covered the cost of relocation, including the deposit and 3 months rent on her accomodation. That's what working your arse off in college is supposed to get you.

But not here. It's internship or emigrate or languish on the dole while others look down their nose at you. And until people stop siding with the government on their 'war on the poor', and until we demand that a fair and tangible recovery for all, not just the well off, be a requirement for our next government, we're going to be left with very little for the future generations to survive on. I'm just so feckin glad my niece won't have to grow up here.

I truly believe most people on the dole are like me and my sister. I'm sick of seeing threads like this on boards. It's the main reason I closed my last account and rarely come on any more.

When able bodied, intelligent, educated people who want to work can't even get a job flipping burgers, how dare any one claim we are lazy, or tell us that 'things are getting better'. There are a few people I went to college with who were able to get good jobs: they all had parents who paid for them to go to Canada or Oz. Those of us in the bottom of the socioeconomic scale have little opportunity to move up, and this government are taking away the small bits of help we get to just keep ourselves fed and sheltered.

So they can stay the fook out of my garden too.

prinzeugen · 31-01-2016 01:26AM

Was on a course last week and was talking to some guys that had been forced to do it by the SW/FAS.

At the end of the week when we got our but of paper they were jumping with joy at the chance of being able to work.

Most were "tracksuit clad wasters" as some think dole folks are.

But these guys had something to show, and it gave them hope.

Graces7 · 31-01-2016 05:05AM

Letree wrote: »

I'll judge him.. he is a disgraceful waster.

Well OK: but what is the alternative? Only three generations ago he and yes I would have been consigned to the " workhouse". Separated from family. Half starved. NB I was perforce on long term benefits through a serious "mystery" illness which hit in my 20s. Tried every which way to get back into work; I am a high ranking graduate and was a teacher but I did charring, cooked at an old peoples home, made soft toys and took them round to shops to sell them. private teaching. After a very few weeks the illness would take over again..You cannot tell from looking at someone. I would say he was very wrong to grumble though. Deeply grateful that I can now on my UK old age pension and with help from this country, to live independently rather than in some appalling huge callous institution. Need to get this into perspective. If the system has faults, as it does, then they need addressing, Can you really blame folk for bad attitudes when they have grown up in a system like this? I have read threads on board where young single mothers in good jobs and with family child care are advised to give them up and go on to single parent allowance....

thattequilagirl · 31-01-2016 03:35PM

Clampdown, you've admitted the government can't create jobs out of thin air. I 100% agree that multinationals should pay more tax, but that's a bit of a tangent when we're talking about jobs.

I see the recovery in Galway and in Dublin - help wanted signs where there were none for years, my friends and I who moved abroad have started coming home and the majority are in work. You could see it at Christmas that it was very different to a few years ago.

I did several unpaid internships in Ireland and the U.K. in my early 20s and they set me up for where I am today. It's **** that that's necessary but research suggests that more than 60% of people who do Jobsbridge get a job out of it, so it can't be that bad.

Irish Government and social welfare sods!

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