Dragons vs Leinster TG4 7:05

The Lost Sheep · 29-01-2016 9:04pm

Tox56 wrote: »

It is a yellow when you stop and look at it, but I guarantee you I could go through this game and find dozens of incidents that if you stopped and replayed them over and over would get a yellow card, or at least a penalty, that go completely unpenalised

And that's every game no matter what has happened and the referee had a "perfect game". You don't penalise everything you see

chippers · 29-01-2016 9:04pm

poor decision not to go for the 3 points with 15 mins to go.

Tox56 · 29-01-2016 9:07pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

And that's every game no matter what has happened and the referee had a "perfect game". You don't penalise everything you see

Im not really going on about the ref but on the blaming of McFadden, you can say its stupid but so many people do "stupid things" like that throughout games, the biggest difference is that he got caught

29-01-2016 9:07pm

Robbo wrote: »

Turning down 2 handy shots at goal in the second half was a bit daft in those conditions.

Yeah that was bonkers. 7 points in it. Plenty of time left.

irishbucsfan · 29-01-2016 9:10pm

Tox56 wrote: »

Im not really going on about the ref but on the blaming of McFadden, you can say its stupid but so many people do "stupid things" like that throughout games, the biggest difference is that he got caught

So they're all stupid? I don't understand your point. There's no excuse for not clearing out properly.

You're talking as if everyone does it, which is absolutely not the case. Some people get away with less dangerous versions of it, ie no arms but not into the back of an opponent, but that doesn't excuse their ineptitude.

Buer · 29-01-2016 9:10pm

Pack was good. Backs were poor. Deserved a LBP but the Dragons defended well and we were sloppy at crucial points.

The referee favoured the defending side which affected Leinster but it certainly wasn't one way traffic. Should have binned one of our lads before Leavy, to be honest.

Our defence was poor as was our discipline. Not going to get far with that.

Some of the young lads were good and some weren't too conspicuous. Leavy was very busy but dense yellow card and should have been penalised for coming into rucks from all sorts of angles. Some great moments too though.

Robbo · 29-01-2016 9:11pm

Zebre, Treviso, Munster and now Leinster have felt the wrath of Rodney Parade this season. Slightly worried they'll be looking for a full house against Connacht.

sydthebeat · 29-01-2016 9:11pm

mcfaddens "attepted" clean out was so obviously illegal though... ridiculous to do that on a 9... not warranted at all. and i think he had some afters as well.

irishbucsfan · 29-01-2016 9:11pm

Buer wrote: »

Leavy was very busy but dense yellow card and should have been penalised for coming into rucks from all sorts of angles. Some great moments too though.

Let's leave him to that on the ground as long as he's getting away with it!

Tox56 · 29-01-2016 9:13pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So they're all stupid? I don't understand your point. There's no excuse for not clearing out properly.

You're talking as if everyone does it, which is absolutely not the case. Some people get away with less dangerous versions of it, ie no arms but not into the back of an opponent, but that doesn't excuse their ineptitude.

They're not all "stupid", but they all do stupid things. McFadden was being called a headcase and all sorts of things based on this incident and the previous one, I dont think hes much if any worse than most

Buer · 29-01-2016 9:14pm

Tox56 wrote:

Im not really going on about the ref but on the blaming of McFadden, you can say its stupid but so many people do "stupid things" like that throughout games, the biggest difference is that he got caught

He charged into a ruck with his arm by his side, leading with his shoulder into a player's head. It was a brutal effort and you do not see clear outs like that regularly. Deserved yellow and we've seen suspensions for those.

irishbucsfan · 29-01-2016 9:15pm

Tox56 wrote: »

They're not all "stupid", but they all do stupid things. McFadden was being called a headcase and all sorts of things based on this incident and the previous one, I dont think hes much if any worse than most

Well he's just come back from a suspension for something that was completely unacceptable, and then comes into this game and gets sin binned for something that really should be unacceptable. What's the point in playing him if he can't stay on the field? "Most" certainly don't have that problem.

matthew8 · 29-01-2016 9:16pm

Shocking execution in the second half by Leinster. Ref got a few calls wrong that prevented the LBP (there seemed to be several in a row in the lead up to their second last penalty) but you have to feel we should've taken a penalty at 17-13 down with 20 minutes left. We weren't getting anywhere by trying to smash our way over and the way things were going we'd have been back in their territory in no time.

I'm not sure who it was, but whoever decided to tap and go after calling a mark a couple of minutes from full time made a shocking decision. If he'd run straight he could've been away (Dragons player was right in front of him but very much offside, there was no one else around) and by running to the middle of the field only bad things could happen, and they did, costing us the LBP. Our prospects of getting a draw from that position were very slim, and if he'd just booted it far down the pitch I'm sure the Dragons would have been as happy as us to run the clock down.

Tox56 · 29-01-2016 9:19pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well he's just come back from a suspension for something that was completely unacceptable, and then comes into this game and gets sin binned for something that really should be unacceptable. What's the point in playing him if he can't stay on the field? "Most" certainly don't have that problem.

Hes done two stupid things over two games, but hes been a professional for 9 years, I would say his disciplinary record over his career is broadly in line with most players.

hogandrew · 29-01-2016 9:29pm

matthew8 wrote: »

Shocking execution in the second half by Leinster. Ref got a few calls wrong that prevented the LBP (there seemed to be several in a row in the lead up to their second last penalty) but you have to feel we should've taken a penalty at 17-13 down with 20 minutes left. We weren't getting anywhere by trying to smash our way over and the way things were going we'd have been back in their territory in no time.

I'm not sure who it was, but whoever decided to tap and go after calling a mark a couple of minutes from full time made a shocking decision. If he'd run straight he could've been away (Dragons player was right in front of him but very much offside, there was no one else around) and by running to the middle of the field only bad things could happen, and they did, costing us the LBP. Our prospects of getting a draw from that position were very slim, and if he'd just booted it far down the pitch I'm sure the Dragons would have been as happy as us to run the clock down.

It was Reid who ran from the mark. He seems an accident waiting to happen every time he's on the field. His inability to tackle is amazing. Personally I think he should be put in the Mick McGrath level of 'use in case of emergency'

irishbucsfan · 29-01-2016 9:32pm

Tox56 wrote: »

Hes done two stupid things over two games, but hes been a professional for 9 years, I would say his disciplinary record over his career is broadly in line with most players.

I'm a big fan of his generally but he needs to sort out this issue he's having

hogandrew · 29-01-2016 9:34pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I'm a big fan of his generally but he needs to sort out this issue he's having

He was poor in contact tonight which is unusual for him. I hope he's not cited for it or anything. He'd be a big loss, especially if madigan is on the bench for Ireland

ionadnapokot · 29-01-2016 9:37pm

Buer wrote: »

He charged into a ruck with his arm by his side, leading with his shoulder into a player's head. It was a brutal effort and you do not see clear outs like that regularly. Deserved yellow and we've seen suspensions for those.

Stop exagerating
Nowhere near head or neck
Cleared him out with his shoulder yes. But connected with his ribs

ionadnapokot · 29-01-2016 9:43pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

mcfaddens "attepted" clean out was so obviously illegal though... ridiculous to do that on a 9... not warranted at all. and i think he had some afters as well.

Bad execution alright...and on scrum half. With the pen going to Leinster. Come on Ferg!
No afters. He went looking for the ball

Buer · 29-01-2016 9:43pm

ionadnapokot wrote:

Stop exagerating Nowhere near head or neck Cleared him out with his shoulder yes. But connected with his ribs

I only saw it on a laptop and it looked to be up around the head and shoulder area. No exaggeration. If it wasn't, fair enough but was still an awful attempt and deservedly sent to the bin.

ionadnapokot · 29-01-2016 9:49pm

Buer wrote: »

I only saw it on a laptop and it looked to be up around the head and shoulder area. No exaggeration. If it wasn't, fair enough but was still an awful attempt and deservedly sent to the bin.

It wasn't around head or neck. It's important to state that. Thats for BBotha and his like

CatFromHue · 29-01-2016 9:58pm

I didn't think it was around the head or neck either, I think he would have gotten a red if it was, more like lower shoulder blades/ribs area.

He seemed to go back for a bit more with by shoving on the ground too so I dunno what was going on between the two of them.

Sean Kinsella · 29-01-2016 10:12pm

hogandrew wrote: »

It was Reid who ran from the mark. He seems an accident waiting to happen every time he's on the field. His inability to tackle is amazing. Personally I think he should be put in the Mick McGrath level of 'use in case of emergency'

Have to agree about Reid: just not up to it.

aimee1 · 29-01-2016 10:36pm

biggest disappointment this season is poor discipline. Two needless YCs tonight.

Molony has a big future

Billysays no · 29-01-2016 10:43pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well he's just come back from a suspension for something that was completely unacceptable, and then comes into this game and gets sin binned for something that really should be unacceptable. What's the point in playing him if he can't stay on the field? "Most" certainly don't have that problem.

that is so unfair. mcfadden is normally the least likely player to do such things. yes both situations were poor calls by fergus but it is definitely not his norm so its unfair to label him as you have

dtpc191991 · 29-01-2016 10:44pm

How did Ringrose play?

jacothelad · 29-01-2016 10:49pm

dtpc191991 wrote: »

How did Ringrose play?

It was not a night for cultured centre play, it was a night for T'eo. Dragons had 80% possession in the 1st half and the Leinster forwards had 80% possession in the second half. He was pretty anonymous but it was just one of those nights for back row players and he got little. He went to the wing when Reid dandered on.

.ak · 29-01-2016 10:57pm

How did Adam Byrne go?

Hagz · 29-01-2016 11:16pm

.ak wrote: »

How did Adam Byrne go?

Minimal involvement. Maybe two touches.

former total · 29-01-2016 11:29pm

Hagz wrote: »

Minimal involvement. Maybe two touches.

One of which was a knock-on with oceans of space in front of him...

Good performances from Kirchner and McFadden, up to the yellow. Scrum was great, lineout good. Just too many errors and poor decisions. Another couple of experienced heads and we'd have won.

irishbucsfan · 29-01-2016 11:32pm

former total wrote: »

One of which was a knock-on with oceans of space in front of him...

Almost certain the ball was touched in flight following Zane's pass which I think made both the pass and the attempted reception look worse than it was!

But he was extremely quiet, you really want your openside winger to be much much busier than that, especially on a night where we needed people who can carry in traffic

errlloyd · 29-01-2016 11:42pm

Byrne had one or two super catches fielding long kicks or kick offs. I forgive him the knock on because the pass would have been unsighted, and as IBF says, probably touched

hype101 · 30-01-2016 12:03am

Thought McGrath was really tidy in horrible conditions.. Would've left him on.. Leavy put in some thunderous hits and Molony looks class

ArmchairQB · 30-01-2016 8:02am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Almost certain the ball was touched in flight following Zane's pass which I think made both the pass and the attempted reception look worse than it was!

But he was extremely quiet, you really want your openside winger to be much much busier than that, especially on a night where we needed people who can carry in traffic

Thought he was very poor defenceivly all night and he did get substituted. Has all the physical attributes to be a top player but not sure about him mentally, not a night for wingers but a poor enough performance for him. I would love to see him at 12 where he would be busier and not drift in and out of games like he does plus as said he has the physical attributes to make it work

vienne86 · 30-01-2016 10:05am

hype101 wrote: »

Thought McGrath was really tidy in horrible conditions.. Would've left him on.. Leavy put in some thunderous hits and Molony looks class

Agree completely. McGrath was a right little general too - well suited to the captain's row. Leavy and Molony worked their socks off.

We had the problem we have had for a while - lots of possession in their 22, but just can't get the ball over the line. We just can't seem to execute the score. We should have won that match last night. Let's hope Connacht beat Scarlets today.

Buer · 30-01-2016 10:22am

Really impressed with McGrath this season, has come on hugely. His passing was slower and more considered last night in atrocious conditions. The only time I'd like to see him be more prominent is during our mauls. We turned over on their 5m line after we were told to use it. He should be calling the shots there.

Took his try well, kicked fairly well, passing was acceptable (which is really good given the conditions). This time next year he could be starting ECC rugby for us.

sydthebeat · 30-01-2016 11:15am

On that maul, it started rolling forward again after the "use it" call so I think McGrath was right to allow it truck on....However dragons tied it well and we didn't get it back in time...Even if mcgrath had the ball in his hands when the whistle wss blown

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 30-01-2016 12:11pm

I noticed McGrath at one point shouting at the ref (I think) and slapping his knees like he was doing the haka

That's what you want from your captain.

Bazzo · 30-01-2016 12:59pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I noticed McGrath at one point shouting at the ref (I think) and slapping his knees like he was doing the haka That's what you want from your captain.

Actually not too sure about that. Acting like that can piss some refs off and make them less likely to listen to you when you've a proper grievance. I always think the captains who are calmer and go up to the ref to have a chat in breaks in play fare better.

30-01-2016 1:11pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Actually not too sure about that. Acting like that can piss some refs off and make them less likely to listen to you when you've a proper grievance. I always think the captains who are calmer and go up to the ref to have a chat in breaks in play fare better.

All captains react differently in different situations. You can't categorise Luke McGrath or anyone else based on one incident.

Robshaw was an awful captain in my opinion and falls exactly into the mold you described.

vienne86 · 30-01-2016 1:44pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Actually not too sure about that. Acting like that can piss some refs off and make them less likely to listen to you when you've a proper grievance. I always think the captains who are calmer and go up to the ref to have a chat in breaks in play fare better.

I wouldn't say McGrath was being the kind of captain who would piss off a ref. He was really shouting orders to he pack, which I liked.

Bazzo · 30-01-2016 1:48pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

All captains react differently in different situations. You can't categorise Luke McGrath or anyone else based on one incident.

Robshaw was an awful captain in my opinion and falls exactly into the mold you described.

Categorise him? I just said I think captains who shout at refs tend to piss them off, I was hardly having a go at McGrath.

Most captains fit into the mould I described because it's the best way for a captain to act towards the ref.

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