Calls for LGBT toilets to be installed in schools

SafeSurfer · 29-01-2016 03:37PM #1

The department of education in conjunction with lobby group GLEN has issued guidelines to schools to provide gender neutral toilets to LGBT students.
Is this reasonable or political correctness gone mad? Just yesterday on the radio I heard the term "non binary gender" for the first time.
GLEN have been one of the most successful lobby groups in Irish political history.

Stoned Since 2011 · 29-01-2016 03:39PM

It was out the back yard in my day, good enough then and good enough now.

29-01-2016 03:40PM

Surely the best solution to this apparent problem would be to encourage unisex toilets, no?

Caliden · 29-01-2016 03:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely the best solution to this apparent problem would be to encourage unisex toilets, no?

Doesn't fit the agenda.

Stoned Since 2011 · 29-01-2016 03:43PM

Caliden wrote: »

Doesn't fit the agenda.

The LGBT are just taking the piss so.

Gatling · 29-01-2016 03:44PM

All girls schools must allow trousers and all boys schools offer alternatives to trousers.
Skirted swimwear for boys and vice versa

This is getting a bit mad been honest

Maximus Alexander · 29-01-2016 03:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely the best solution to this apparent problem would be to encourage unisex toilets, no?

It's either that or, in the interests of fairness, dozens upon dozens of toilets.

SafeSurfer · 29-01-2016 03:48PM

If it is implemented in schools will all government buildings be forced to follow? Could a case taken against a pub or restaurant for non provision of gender neutral toilet facilities succeed under current equality legislation?
I believe the logical progression is non binary gender quotas in election candidates of political parties.

jimgoose · 29-01-2016 03:49PM

Two sets of restrooms, one with "Mickeys" written on the door, the other with "Fannies". The name of the game is urination, kids. Anything else you may do with your acoutrements is irrelevant and beyond the scope of this document.

Graces7 · 29-01-2016 03:49PM

Maybe using the Irish names might confuse them.. MNA for women..At a craft fair I had to ask which was which then explain to another worried lady..

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 29-01-2016 03:50PM

Sounds daft to me. If equality is to exist, then promote equality. If, you want to be treated normally, then don't seek special treatment in certain circumstances. If they are looking for gender neutral (unisex?) toilets for everybody, then that's fine. However, if it's a LGBT only, then it's idiotic.

I was on the sports and social club in work a few years back and one of the committe members was gay, she wanted a LBGT night and I explained that we cannot organise an event and exclude people based on their sexual orientation. I asked what would happen if we had a hetrosexual event, it didn't go down too well.

Have you a link to the article OP?

Penny Tration · 29-01-2016 03:50PM

Why not just let people use the bathroom appropriate to the gender they are?

Trans girl? Use the women's toilets.

Trans boy? Use the men's toilets.

Simple really.

Gatling · 29-01-2016 03:54PM

Zeke Ancient Album wrote: »

Have you a link to the article OP?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/schools-get-guidelines-on-uniforms-and-toilets-for-transgender-pupils-34406188.html

Maximus Alexander · 29-01-2016 04:02PM

The article is actually pretty reasonable and level-headed. Basically - things can be pretty awkward if you're transgender at school, here are some small things that might help: appropriate choice of clothing, availability of either separate (actually 'corresponding to their gender identity', which I would interpret as meaning 'Have both male and female toilets, even in a single sex school'), or unisex toilets and changing rooms. Nothing to see here.

No mention of 'LGBT toilets' as the op claims.

The_Valeyard · 29-01-2016 04:04PM

Bad idea. I'm sure plenty of self conscious teens would feel very awkward trying to drop a number two with members of the opposite sex around. Also how would staff police bathrooms?

jimgoose · 29-01-2016 04:04PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

The article is actually pretty reasonable and level-headed. Basically - things can be pretty awkward if you're transgender at school, here are some small things that might help: appropriate choice of clothing, availability of either separate, or unisex toilets and changing rooms. Nothing to see here.

Most toilet facilities in private homes are "unisex". How did we manage at all in the old days, when there was one bog and Mam, Dad, Sis and Uncle Arthur who had a strange habit of turning up in old wedding-gowns like Ms. Havisham-gone-wrong all using it. :pac:

Gatling · 29-01-2016 04:05PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

The article is actually pretty reasonable and level-headed. Basically - things can be pretty awkward if you're transgender at school, here are some small things that might help: appropriate choice of clothing, availability of either separate, or unisex toilets and changing rooms. Nothing to see here.

But as we all know schools are finding it difficult finding finances as it is without the added pressure of having to build separate toilets and changing rooms for one or two pupils .

Maximus Alexander · 29-01-2016 04:09PM

Gatling wrote: »

But as we all know schools are finding it difficult finding finances as it is without the added pressure of having to build separate toilets and changing rooms for one or two pupils .

A come on now, if it's a boys' school, for example, you add one little cubicle with one of these on the door. It's a one off expenditure, the same as adding a disabled toilet was when everyone was required to do that.

RIGHTisRIGHT · 29-01-2016 04:11PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Two sets of restrooms, one with "Mickeys" written on the door, the other with "Fannies". The name of the game is urination, kids. Anything else you may do with your acoutrements is irrelevant and beyond the scope of this document.

I fine that post offensive you left out A**holes.:D

RDM_83 again · 29-01-2016 04:12PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

Why not just let people use the bathroom appropriate to the gender they are?

Trans girl? Use the women's toilets.

Trans boy? Use the men's toilets.

Simple really.

Not really, There was M to F trans person who joined one of the companies I worked for (never ended up on same job myself) but there had been issues apparently on other jobs as tends to be rather cramped changing and toilet facilities on site so some of the girls did have issues sharing changing facilities with a 6 foot tall person with male anatomy thats attracted to women (they were pre-op).
As mildly similar thing happened with a friend he was house sharing with a transgender person, he's very open minded and got on ok with the person but he and the girls that were there ended up having to move out as she had mental health issues, he's a small guy and when she (also M to F pre-op) was in a dark place he was genuinely physically intimidated.

I'm not demonizing M to F transsexuals but I do think it needs to be recognized that things aren't always clear cut and others also have a right to feel safe too.

iDave · 29-01-2016 04:13PM

Segregation has always worked.

c_man · 29-01-2016 04:13PM

Gatling wrote: »

But as we all know schools are finding it difficult finding finances as it is without the added pressure of having to build separate toilets and changing rooms for one or two pupils .

That seems like a very high number tbh. Honestly, how many transgender people are there in the population? A fraction of a percent. Reading the article it really isn't LGBT toilets or the likes that's being called for, it's just the T (whom I'm still baffled as to why the LGB allow ride on their coattails).

My solution, let them use the disabled jacks which all school should (!) have if they're uncomfortable with the gendered toilets on offer. They can wear trousers if you're in a girls school and if you're a transgender in a lads school, well you can also wear trousers. No fuss, no muss, no costs.

gramar · 29-01-2016 04:14PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's either that or, in the interests of fairness, dozens upon dozens of toilets.

That's hilarious...Antigirl...opposite to a girl..but not a boy...wtf..?

Trent Houseboat · 29-01-2016 04:15PM

What's an "LGBT Toilet"?

jimgoose · 29-01-2016 04:16PM

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

I fine that post offensive you left out A**holes.:D

Irrelevant and moot. We all shit the same way.

RIGHTisRIGHT · 29-01-2016 04:16PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

What's an "LGBT Toilet"?

lesbian gay bisexual transgender.

jimgoose · 29-01-2016 04:17PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

A come on now, if it's a boys' school, for example, you add one little cubicle with one of these on the door. It's a one off expenditure, the same as adding a disabled toilet was when everyone was required to do that.

Yeah. And the way to do that would have been to widen the doors and cubicles, and add whatever handles and railings were required, to the existing facilities. It would have been an excellent time to combine the male and female restrooms in situations where they were adjunct. The whole notion of gender and/or orientation segregated restrooms is ridiculous bloody nonsense.

Iang87 · 29-01-2016 04:18PM

what in the name of god is a gender neutral toilet.

My only assumption its for these groups that tend to talk ****e

Maximus Alexander · 29-01-2016 04:18PM

gramar wrote: »

That's hilarious...Antigirl...opposite to a girl..but not a boy...wtf..?

I have a feeling that most of those are coined by young millenials sitting around on message boards trying to think up new ones. I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually sort of offensive to trans people, because there's a potential for their legitimate struggle to be conflated with people saying "My gender is sunflowerclops. It's a gender that feels bright, but also only has one eye, like a cyclops."

Gatling · 29-01-2016 04:19PM

c_man wrote: »

That seems like a very high number tbh. Honestly, how many transgender people are there in the population? A fraction of a percent.

I remember they stated dicussing the idea around the referendum and some mentioned between 1% and 10% in schools identified as trans .

It would be interesting to see real verified figures

Trent Houseboat · 29-01-2016 04:22PM

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote:

lesbian gay bisexual transgender.

I know what LGBT is and I know what a toilet is, but for the life of me I have no idea what the OP means when they say LGBT Toilet

Calls for LGBT toilets to be installed in schools

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