Calls for LGBT toilets to be installed in schools

SafeSurfer

The department of education in conjunction with lobby group GLEN has issued guidelines to schools to provide gender neutral toilets to LGBT students.
Is this reasonable or political correctness gone mad? Just yesterday on the radio I heard the term "non binary gender" for the first time.
GLEN have been one of the most successful lobby groups in Irish political history.

Stoned Since 2011

It was out the back yard in my day, good enough then and good enough now.

Surely the best solution to this apparent problem would be to encourage unisex toilets, no?

Caliden

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely the best solution to this apparent problem would be to encourage unisex toilets, no?

Doesn't fit the agenda.

Stoned Since 2011

Caliden wrote: »

Doesn't fit the agenda.

The LGBT are just taking the piss so.

Gatling

All girls schools must allow trousers and all boys schools offer alternatives to trousers.
Skirted swimwear for boys and vice versa

This is getting a bit mad been honest

Maximus Alexander

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely the best solution to this apparent problem would be to encourage unisex toilets, no?

It's either that or, in the interests of fairness, dozens upon dozens of toilets.

SafeSurfer

If it is implemented in schools will all government buildings be forced to follow? Could a case taken against a pub or restaurant for non provision of gender neutral toilet facilities succeed under current equality legislation?
I believe the logical progression is non binary gender quotas in election candidates of political parties.

jimgoose

Two sets of restrooms, one with "Mickeys" written on the door, the other with "Fannies". The name of the game is urination, kids. Anything else you may do with your acoutrements is irrelevant and beyond the scope of this document.

Graces7

Maybe using the Irish names might confuse them.. MNA for women..At a craft fair I had to ask which was which then explain to another worried lady..

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Sounds daft to me. If equality is to exist, then promote equality. If, you want to be treated normally, then don't seek special treatment in certain circumstances. If they are looking for gender neutral (unisex?) toilets for everybody, then that's fine. However, if it's a LGBT only, then it's idiotic.

I was on the sports and social club in work a few years back and one of the committe members was gay, she wanted a LBGT night and I explained that we cannot organise an event and exclude people based on their sexual orientation. I asked what would happen if we had a hetrosexual event, it didn't go down too well.

Have you a link to the article OP?

Penny Tration

Why not just let people use the bathroom appropriate to the gender they are?

Trans girl? Use the women's toilets.

Trans boy? Use the men's toilets.

Simple really.

Gatling

Zeke Ancient Album wrote: »

Have you a link to the article OP?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/schools-get-guidelines-on-uniforms-and-toilets-for-transgender-pupils-34406188.html

Maximus Alexander

The article is actually pretty reasonable and level-headed. Basically - things can be pretty awkward if you're transgender at school, here are some small things that might help: appropriate choice of clothing, availability of either separate (actually 'corresponding to their gender identity', which I would interpret as meaning 'Have both male and female toilets, even in a single sex school'), or unisex toilets and changing rooms. Nothing to see here.

No mention of 'LGBT toilets' as the op claims.

The_Valeyard

Bad idea. I'm sure plenty of self conscious teens would feel very awkward trying to drop a number two with members of the opposite sex around. Also how would staff police bathrooms?

jimgoose

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

The article is actually pretty reasonable and level-headed. Basically - things can be pretty awkward if you're transgender at school, here are some small things that might help: appropriate choice of clothing, availability of either separate, or unisex toilets and changing rooms. Nothing to see here.

Most toilet facilities in private homes are "unisex". How did we manage at all in the old days, when there was one bog and Mam, Dad, Sis and Uncle Arthur who had a strange habit of turning up in old wedding-gowns like Ms. Havisham-gone-wrong all using it. :pac:

Gatling

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

The article is actually pretty reasonable and level-headed. Basically - things can be pretty awkward if you're transgender at school, here are some small things that might help: appropriate choice of clothing, availability of either separate, or unisex toilets and changing rooms. Nothing to see here.

But as we all know schools are finding it difficult finding finances as it is without the added pressure of having to build separate toilets and changing rooms for one or two pupils .

Maximus Alexander

Gatling wrote: »

But as we all know schools are finding it difficult finding finances as it is without the added pressure of having to build separate toilets and changing rooms for one or two pupils .

A come on now, if it's a boys' school, for example, you add one little cubicle with one of these on the door. It's a one off expenditure, the same as adding a disabled toilet was when everyone was required to do that.

RIGHTisRIGHT

jimgoose wrote: »

Two sets of restrooms, one with "Mickeys" written on the door, the other with "Fannies". The name of the game is urination, kids. Anything else you may do with your acoutrements is irrelevant and beyond the scope of this document.

I fine that post offensive you left out A**holes.:D

RDM_83 again

Penny Tration wrote: »

Why not just let people use the bathroom appropriate to the gender they are?

Trans girl? Use the women's toilets.

Trans boy? Use the men's toilets.

Simple really.

Not really, There was M to F trans person who joined one of the companies I worked for (never ended up on same job myself) but there had been issues apparently on other jobs as tends to be rather cramped changing and toilet facilities on site so some of the girls did have issues sharing changing facilities with a 6 foot tall person with male anatomy thats attracted to women (they were pre-op).
As mildly similar thing happened with a friend he was house sharing with a transgender person, he's very open minded and got on ok with the person but he and the girls that were there ended up having to move out as she had mental health issues, he's a small guy and when she (also M to F pre-op) was in a dark place he was genuinely physically intimidated.

I'm not demonizing M to F transsexuals but I do think it needs to be recognized that things aren't always clear cut and others also have a right to feel safe too.

iDave

Segregation has always worked.

c_man

Gatling wrote: »

But as we all know schools are finding it difficult finding finances as it is without the added pressure of having to build separate toilets and changing rooms for one or two pupils .

That seems like a very high number tbh. Honestly, how many transgender people are there in the population? A fraction of a percent. Reading the article it really isn't LGBT toilets or the likes that's being called for, it's just the T (whom I'm still baffled as to why the LGB allow ride on their coattails).

My solution, let them use the disabled jacks which all school should (!) have if they're uncomfortable with the gendered toilets on offer. They can wear trousers if you're in a girls school and if you're a transgender in a lads school, well you can also wear trousers. No fuss, no muss, no costs.

gramar

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's either that or, in the interests of fairness, dozens upon dozens of toilets.

That's hilarious...Antigirl...opposite to a girl..but not a boy...wtf..?

Trent Houseboat

What's an "LGBT Toilet"?

jimgoose

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

I fine that post offensive you left out A**holes.:D

Irrelevant and moot. We all shit the same way.

RIGHTisRIGHT

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

What's an "LGBT Toilet"?

lesbian gay bisexual transgender.

jimgoose

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

A come on now, if it's a boys' school, for example, you add one little cubicle with one of these on the door. It's a one off expenditure, the same as adding a disabled toilet was when everyone was required to do that.

Yeah. And the way to do that would have been to widen the doors and cubicles, and add whatever handles and railings were required, to the existing facilities. It would have been an excellent time to combine the male and female restrooms in situations where they were adjunct. The whole notion of gender and/or orientation segregated restrooms is ridiculous bloody nonsense.

Iang87

what in the name of god is a gender neutral toilet.

My only assumption its for these groups that tend to talk ****e

Maximus Alexander

gramar wrote: »

That's hilarious...Antigirl...opposite to a girl..but not a boy...wtf..?

I have a feeling that most of those are coined by young millenials sitting around on message boards trying to think up new ones. I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually sort of offensive to trans people, because there's a potential for their legitimate struggle to be conflated with people saying "My gender is sunflowerclops. It's a gender that feels bright, but also only has one eye, like a cyclops."

Gatling

c_man wrote: »

That seems like a very high number tbh. Honestly, how many transgender people are there in the population? A fraction of a percent.

I remember they stated dicussing the idea around the referendum and some mentioned between 1% and 10% in schools identified as trans .

It would be interesting to see real verified figures

Trent Houseboat

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote:

lesbian gay bisexual transgender.

I know what LGBT is and I know what a toilet is, but for the life of me I have no idea what the OP means when they say LGBT Toilet

Hammer89

I agree. There was a gay lad in our class and there'd be semen in the toilet bowl after he went for a sh*t.

May not be true.

diomed

Akazi and Amuna?

Why do the doors not say Men and Women in all the European languages and Arabic and Swahili and so on.
Racists.

Ken.

Transgender toilets are a silly Idea. In my daughters mixed school their are toilets for boys and toilets for girls. Each goes to their own. The one transgender student goes to the boys toilet. If transgender toilets were put in to a mixed school then boy-girl and girl-boy transgender people would be using the one toilet which would be totally undignified if there was one(or more) of each in the school.

Also my daughters school is really old with nowhere to expand to so to build extra toilets would mean taking away a classroom or part of one at least.

RIGHTisRIGHT

Unisex toilets are a very bad idea.
Female toilets should be safe and not be a place in which a rape or sexual assault could happen.
Also being male pushing out something foul while their are girls around would be unthinkable.
I have a better idea lets tell those pushing this PC bull to shut the hell up.

stefanovich

Penny Tration wrote:

Trans girl? Use the women's toilets.

would they need urinals in the girls for all the trans girls to use? What about all the pervs who will pretend to be trans girls just to go in??

Madness!

Maximus Alexander

ken wrote: »

Lgbt toilets are a silly Idea. In my daughters mixed school their are toilets for boys and toilets for girls. Each goes to their own. The one transgender student goes to the boys toilet. If transgender toilets were put in to a mixed school then boy-girl and girl-boy transgender people would be using the one toilet which would be totally undignified if there was one(or more) of each in the school.

Also my daughters school is really old with nowhere to expand to so to build extra toilets would mean taking away a classroom or part of one at least.

Agreed, this doesn't make sense, but the article also doesn't suggest it. The OP made up the concept of 'LGBT toilets'.

jimgoose

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

Unisex toilets are a very bad idea.
Female toilets should be safe and not be a place in which a rape or sexual assault could happen.
Also being male pushing out something foul while their are girls around would be unthinkable.
I have a better idea lets tell those pushing this PC bull to shut the hell up.

What a load of fearmongering, poor-little-victim, anti-men twaddle. And everyone else's shit stinks just the same as mine, thank you.

Iang87

after we're done fixing the toilets for trans people lets fix toilets and make black people go seperately. They intimidate me with their large willys.

Oops thats a stereotype but its a positive one but wait who'll get insulted now that i've painted them all with the one brush, oh the small willy black people. Lets make a small willy, big willy and no willy toilet.

Problem solved.

Maximus Alexander

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

Unisex toilets are a very bad idea.
Female toilets should be safe and not be a place in which a rape or sexual assault could happen.
Also being male pushing out something foul while their are girls around would be unthinkable.
I have a better idea lets tell those pushing this PC bull to shut the hell up.

They don't usually post security guards on the doors to female toilets as it stands, so I'm not sure how they'd be less safe in unisex toilets. Rapists have no problem raping, but will respect the sign on the toilet door?

Ken.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Agreed, this doesn't make sense, but the article also doesn't suggest it. The OP made up the concept of 'LGBT toilets'.

I do apologise. I meant to put transgender at the start not LGBT. I've edited it now.

c_man

Gatling wrote: »

I remember they stated dicussing the idea around the referendum and some mentioned between 1% and 10% in schools identified as trans .

Lol, it is in its hole. Those lads had... reason to be dishonest, so like you I'd be interested to see the real figures.

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

What's an "LGBT Toilet"?

One in which half the cubicles have gloryholes.

RIGHTisRIGHT

jimgoose wrote: »

What a load of fearmongering, poor-little-victim, anti-men twaddle. And everyone else's shit stinks just the same as mine, thank you.

I am a man it's bad enough trying to have a dump with other men around.
Sexual attacks happen.

Maximus Alexander

ken wrote: »

I do apologise. I meant to put transgender at the start not LGBT. I've edited it now.

It doesn't mention transgender toilets either. The only suggestions it makes are to have both male and female toilets available, or to have unisex toilets.

padd b1975

Mightn't be the worst idea.

After all, gay men use toilets for a lot more than what they're designed for.

Localising the whole cruising thing away from families and children is hard to argue with.

SafeSurfer

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Agreed, this doesn't make sense, but the article also doesn't suggest it. The OP made up the concept of 'LGBT toilets'.

The guidelines are called "Being LGBT in school". Gender neutral toilets are recommended.

diomed

You could build it like a maze.

First doors: Male, Female (on your birth cert)
Second doors: Did you get your birth cert changed? Yes ---> Identifying as Male door / identifying as female door. No ---> third doors
Third doors: Heterosexual; Gay; Lesbian; bisexual; transgender doors

I don't know enough about the subject obviously. I apologise for causing offence.

RIGHTisRIGHT

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

They don't usually post security guards on the doors to female toilets as it stands, so I'm not sure how they'd be less safe in unisex toilets. Rapists have no problem raping, but will respect the sign on the toilet door?

Look at the moment if you see a man in the Ladies toilet you know he is a perv.
If you make it a unisex jacks it will provided camouflage for the pervs.
Also when men want to urinate they can use the urinal I suppose there would be none in the unisex toilet?

So men would have to join the line to pee leading to the odd wet pants mishap in pubs and piss on the toilet seat for the ladies.

Trent Houseboat

Would "Calls to Let Children Use Whichever Toilet They Want" have been a better thread title?

jimgoose

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

Look at the moment if you see a man in the Ladies toilet you know he is a perv.
If you make it a unisex jacks it will provided camouflage for the pervs.
Also when men want to urinate they can use the urinal I suppose there would be none in the unisex toilet?

So men would have to join the line to pee leading to the odd wet pants mishap in pubs and piss on the toilet seat for the ladies.

I see more and more setups in restaurants these days where they have one, and only one, restroom that caters to any and all genders and orientations, from cisgearboxoil to Space Cowgirl, as well as wheeled persons. And it gladdens my heart. And, BTW, that fella you saw in the ladies - he was drunk. :pac:

Ken.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It doesn't mention transgender toilets either. The only suggestions it makes are to have both male and female toilets available, or to have unisex toilets.

Well weather LGBT or hetro there shouldn't be unisex toilets or changing facilities in schools. It's hard enough in school at that age.

I could almost guarantee that if all students of whatever persuasion were asked did they want toilets to remain boy/girl or unisex that boy/girl would win 99% support.