Would you pretend to be a transwoman to get Olympic glory.

M Anonymous · 28-01-2016 03:59PM #1

I think a lot of men would.

So if you are pretty good at a sport but not great would you claim to be a woman to rake it in.

Olympic medal winner sponsorship/money/adulation/everyone hanging on your word like Caitlin Jenner
No surgery required at all.
No legal requirement to declare as a woman or change your name
No need to wear a dress- You can be a jeans/t-shirt/Trainers sort of lesbian. You don't even need to shave.
You might (or might not) need to take tablets to lower your testosterone to the Low end of normal for 12 months before the Olympics and for the 2 weeks of the games.
Nobody will say anything mean in public because they would be a transphobic bigot
You can tell your family/Girlfriend the truth
YoY can stop after Olympcs (if you want) sell the book/movie rights and blame it on whoever you like that you are once again a full blooded male

Apparently the IOC have changed the rules, so if you fancy your chances then this is it.

And lastly would I? No I think, but I'd definitely tell a friend to go for it

Hammer89 · 28-01-2016 04:17PM

I wouldn't because if you don't win gold in said event, or fail to secure a podium finish even, you'd have to commit suicide.

whiskeyman · 28-01-2016 04:20PM

I'd definitely have the balls to do it anyway...

Menas · 28-01-2016 04:21PM

Yeah, but who would want to see me squeeze in to a bikini just to play in the Irish Beach Volley Ball team?

28-01-2016 04:31PM

Only if they promise to make a documentary out of it with a montage scene with me injecting oestrogen to 'push it to the limit'

28-01-2016 04:33PM

Well, thats not a loaded question posed provocatively at all.

desertcircus · 28-01-2016 04:36PM

M Anonymous wrote: »

I think a lot of men would.

So if you are pretty good at a sport but not great would you claim to be a woman to rake it in.

Olympic medal winner sponsorship/money/adulation/everyone hanging on your word like Caitlin Jenner
No surgery required at all.
No legal requirement to declare as a woman or change your name
No need to wear a dress- You can be a jeans/t-shirt/Trainers sort of lesbian. You don't even need to shave.
You might (or might not) need to take tablets to lower your testosterone to the Low end of normal for 12 months before the Olympics and for the 2 weeks of the games.
Nobody will say anything mean in public because they would be a transphobic bigot
You can tell your family/Girlfriend the truth
YoY can stop after Olympcs (if you want) sell the book/movie rights and blame it on whoever you like that you are once again a full blooded male

Apparently the IOC have changed the rules, so if you fancy your chances then this is it.

And lastly would I? No I think, but I'd definitely tell a friend to go for it

There's so much wrong and crassly ignorant with this that it doesn't even seem worth analysing. In brief: OP is wrong to a spectacular degree.

ancapailldorcha · 28-01-2016 04:36PM

No. You'd still need insane amounts of training and dedication aside from the primary ethical reason.

M Anonymous · 28-01-2016 04:39PM

I wasn't trying to be provocative. Obviously you would have to go out and compete, possibly against other transwomen.

I was imagining what I would say to the man that this isn't hypothetical for.

M Anonymous · 28-01-2016 04:41PM

Menas, I bet loads of people would want you to wear the Irsih Beach Volleyball bikini.

inforfun · 28-01-2016 04:41PM

Definitely not in synchronised swimming.

valoren · 28-01-2016 04:41PM

There's no drug test to catch Anabollick steroids as yet.

entropi · 28-01-2016 04:41PM

OP implying that you can just automatically get Olympic glory by being "pretty good at sport". Being pretty good at sport just doesn't quite cut the mustard, it takes a lifetime of dedicated training and sacrifice to reach that level, and even then, you might not win anything.

Do you remember the whole debacle with Caster Semenya a few years ago? That'll say how well this could be taken.

Jimoslimos · 28-01-2016 04:43PM

Women competing against other women - fair.
Transwomen competing against other transwomen - fair.
Transwomen competing against women - unfair.

Think the IOC have bigger fish to fry TBH.

M Anonymous · 28-01-2016 04:43PM

Ok. No synchronised Swimming. How do you fancy your chances in weight lifting, or boxing.

Maximus Alexander · 28-01-2016 04:45PM

Ah yeah, sure any man who's "pretty good at a sport, but not great" would be a match for a female Olympian. Be easy.

M Anonymous · 28-01-2016 04:45PM

Entropi, sort of fair point. But how many Irish men can run 100 m faster than the women's gold medallist at the London Olympics?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 28-01-2016 04:46PM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Women competing against other women - fair.
Transwomen competing against other transwomen - fair.
Transwomen competing against women - unfair.

Think the IOC have bigger fish to fry TBH.

The IOC have already sanctioned transwomen to compete in the women's events.

bucketybuck · 28-01-2016 04:46PM

I like the implication that by virtue of being a man I could beat female olympic athletes! As if Jessica Ennis or somebody like that couldn't literally run laps around me all day long, or that a punch from Katie Taylor wouldn't hurt like balls.

kfallon · 28-01-2016 04:48PM

Chances are I'd be stripped of my Olympic Glory once they see my 'Morning Glory'

One eyed Jack · 28-01-2016 04:52PM

M Anonymous wrote: »

I think a lot of men would.

...

And lastly would I? No I think, but I'd definitely tell a friend to go for it

So you wouldn't go for it yourself, but you think a lot of other men would, and you'd definitely tell a friend to go for it...

Makes about as much sense as your opening post that does.

Jimoslimos · 28-01-2016 04:52PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Ah yeah, sure any man who's "pretty good at a sport, but not great" would be a match for a female Olympian. Be easy.

I'd reckon any top 500 male tennis player would easily be top 10 female and win slams.

M Anonymous · 28-01-2016 04:53PM

Yeah Jessica Ennis could run laps around us keyboard warriors. But would she beat (and apologies to him) the Irish decathlon winner/podium placer who does train a lot, is **** off fit but is not good enough to get inside the top thirty in the Olympics?

Or looking at Katie Taylor, if the guy who won in London decides he is actually a woman, would you tell Katie it's all right, and she'll be grand in the ring against him.

Hammer89 · 28-01-2016 04:53PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I like the implication that by virtue of being a man I could beat female olympic athletes! As if Jessica Ennis or somebody like that couldn't literally run laps around me all day long, or that a punch from Katie Taylor wouldn't hurt like balls.

Most men would puck Katie Taylor around the gaf; not because they're better athletes or boxers, but because they're more than likely a lot bigger than her and size matters.

Maximus Alexander · 28-01-2016 04:53PM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

I'd reckon any top 500 male tennis player would easily be top 10 female and win slams.

A top 500 tennis player is not merely 'pretty good' at tennis.

Hammer89 wrote: »

Most men would puck Katie Taylor around the gaf; not because they're better athletes or boxers, but because they're more than likely a lot bigger than her and size matters.

lol.

Jimoslimos · 28-01-2016 04:56PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The IOC have already sanctioned transwomen to compete in the women's events.

Completely idiotic IMO, and a potential can of worms waiting to be opened.

M Anonymous · 28-01-2016 04:56PM

kfallon wrote: »

Chances are I'd be stripped of my Olympic Glory once they see my 'Morning Glory'

No you wouldn't that's the point.

M Anonymous · 28-01-2016 05:00PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So you wouldn't go for it yourself, but you think a lot of other men would, and you'd definitely tell a friend to go for it...

Makes about as much sense as your opening post that does.

My opening post gives an accurate view of the position of transwomen in the Olympics.

Jimoslimos · 28-01-2016 05:02PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

A top 500 tennis player is not merely 'pretty good' at tennis.

No, but it does illustrate the gulf at elite level sport between men and women. Especially those which require high levels of muscular strength. You can change your "gender", you cannot change your biology.

Nobody (aside from the odd idiot) is arguing that your average park jogger would be a match for Olympic sportswomen.

gramar · 28-01-2016 05:03PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

Most men would puck Katie Taylor around the gaf; not because they're better athletes or boxers, but because they're more than likely a lot bigger than her and size matters.

If they're 20 stone and land a haymaker then fair enough but boxing goes by weight classes and I'd say Katie Taylor would puck the head off most men who'd fall into her weight class. She weighs 60kg/1.65m by the way. A fairly small man. Good luck if you fancy it.

entropi · 28-01-2016 05:03PM

M Anonymous wrote: »

Entropi, sort of fair point. But how many Irish men can run 100 m faster than the women's gold medallist at the London Olympics?

Seven below from last season, with one equalling it. Not a very large amount, and I've seen four of those compete. Here's the list

Hammer89 wrote: »

Most men would puck Katie Taylor around the gaf; not because they're better athletes or boxers, but because they're more than likely a lot bigger than her and size matters.

Most men wouldn't even get to finish throwing that punch before she's dodged and countered it.

Would you pretend to be a transwoman to get Olympic glory.

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