Greece could be expelled from Schengen

As Big Jack says, many of these people, young men in particular are not refugees but economic migrants many of them apparently who think women are fair game. Real refugees should be be looked after but also remember sometimes there's a reason they've had to escape and they may not be innocent victims. Bear in mind that when IS is broken up as it surely will they will be fleeing in our direction because we're the only fools who won't line them up and shoot them out of hand.

People need to get real about this. The wrong people are already in Europe but it's nowhere near the problem it will be unless the EU starts to clamp down on the problem.

The EU does a deal with Turkey yet sticks fellow members in the back. The whole situation is a win for Turkey, they get to see their greatest foe destabilised and weakened.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Jaysus. It really is one gigantic mess. Eastern Europe is shaking fists at Russia, China is pretending their house isn't on fire and all is well, the middle east and parts of North Africa has nearly collapsed. Central Africa has boko harem, etc.


How's South America doing?

Not so good, there's a nasty virus doing the rounds over there that could have a major global impact, not least the need for the complete eradication of mosquitoes.

Chile is grand though, we should all move there.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Chile is grand though, we should all move there.

Isn't there a WHV for there now??

Europe needs a single passport system that Nations can opt in or out of. Different societies have different criteria and experiences of emigration. Applying to the whole of Europe is archaic. Poland, Hungary and Croatia don't need all these refugees. Britain on the other hand can take in as many as they like if they want. What can't remain in place is the Calais camp which is disrupting the flow of trade and ability of European citizens to move across the continent safely. Bulgaria is also in a state with all those Syrian migrants camping out desiring to get into the heart of Europe. They should be deported back to Syria.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Does Ireland have a plan B? Do we have a plan to pull back from the EU and start using our own currency and all that stuff that comes with being a sovereign country?

If we don't we should. I think it would be in the interests of national security and financial leverage/sovereignty if the 'masters of mankind' in the EU knew we had some sort of 'fuck this - we're outa here' plan.

I think there was rumour of such a plan, as a last-ditch emergency measure, back in 2012 or such - given the potential for a Euro breakup - but I don't know if there's anything like this still actively in place.

A currency transition when stuck in something like the Euro, is a majorly destructive event, which can take beyond 6+ months to complete - and we'd be set-back economically for 3-5+ years (looking more and more like it's worth the cost though - as staying in the Euro, looks like it means ceding democratic control of the country).

If we could depend on the ECB not rendering our banking system completely non-functional, like they did with Greece last year, then we could start operating a parallel currency tomorrow (temporarily keeping the Euro as a side-currency) - and even use that to grow our economy and return to full employment.

The ECB rules Europe now though, and no government can run a parallel currency - thus restoring sovereign power - without the risk of the ECB doing what they did to Greece.

KomradeBishop wrote: »

I think there was rumour of such a plan, as a last-ditch emergency measure, back in 2012 or such - given the potential for a Euro breakup - but I don't know if there's anything like this still actively in place.

A currency transition when stuck in something like the Euro, is a majorly destructive event, which can take beyond 6+ months to complete - and we'd be set-back economically for 3-5+ years (looking more and more like it's worth the cost though - as staying in the Euro, looks like it means ceding democratic control of the country).

If we could depend on the ECB not rendering our banking system completely non-functional, like they did with Greece last year, then we could start operating a parallel currency tomorrow (temporarily keeping the Euro as a side-currency) - and even use that to grow our economy and return to full employment.

The ECB rules Europe now though, and no government can run a parallel currency - thus restoring sovereign power - without the risk of the ECB doing what they did to Greece.

Operating a new currency by massive devaluation. Greece knew the rules when they entered the Zone so did France and still they let spending get out of control. Regardless of the banks the gvt should have reigned back all the spending that was going on. Spain was every bit as bad as Greece yet they managed to achieve some balance in the economy. Even the wonderful Swedes and Finns have experienced economic problems and worked through them all by cooperating with the ECB. Greece decided to snub the offer to repair the damage caused by the previous administration.