DC's Legends of Tomorrow (CW)

spartacus815 · 08-01-2016 2:34pm

A Review of the 1st episode

http://comicbook.com/2015/12/29/legends-of-tomorrow-advance-review/

EoinMcLovin · 08-01-2016 3:01pm

Stargate Atlantis and Firefly alum, Jewel Staite cast as a Future Genius who is a descendant of a long line of inventors — one of whom is from the DC Universe!

Agent Coulson · 12-01-2016 8:55pm

Another DC character

"Legends'"time-hopping nature will allow the ragtag team to cross paths with
Jonah Hex
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Spoiler Link

EoinMcLovin · 14-01-2016 7:43pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex3Vap-QGzg

EoinMcLovin · 22-01-2016 12:50am

Jonah Hex

already cast

Agent Coulson · 22-01-2016 11:50am

Off to an ok start and I did enjoy it that all I can say about it really.

It's going to take time to get going with so many main characters involved.

CastorTroy · 22-01-2016 6:14pm

"But to be legends, don't we have to be dead?" I'm pretty sure 150 years from now they'd be dead anyway.

Kinda wish he tried to recruit at least one person who didn't turn up. Either another villain who just decided he didn't care or a hero who felt he was needed more in his current time.

CastorTroy · 22-01-2016 6:15pm

"But to be legends, don't we have to be dead?" I'm pretty sure 150 years from now they'd be dead anyway.

Kinda wish he tried to recruit at least one person who didn't turn up. Either another villain who just decided he didn't care or a hero who felt he was needed more in his current time.

ixoy · 22-01-2016 11:37pm

It was enjoyable and, more importantly, it was a pilot. Very very few pilots really display a show's potential. You need more time for that.

My only concern would be with such a large cast that we either end up with an over-powered team or having to keep benching some of them for spurious reasons.

Curious to see how this show's Gideon ties into the Gideon in The Flash too.

I'm also disappointed they have Arthur Darvill-Evans as a Time Master and didn't make a Doctor Who joke. I'll be awaiting one each week.

duridian · 23-01-2016 12:32pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Kinda wish he tried to recruit at least one person who didn't turn up. Either another villain who just decided he didn't care or a hero who felt he was needed more in his current time.

I actually thought that he might have tried to get The Flash onboard, only to have Barry turn him down. The Flash having been able to move through time himself without a "time ship", would I'd have thought made him a prime target for Hunter's attention. It could have been very handy to have Barry around in the event of a major malfunction of the Waverider, leaving the Legends caught somewhere in time (up the Irons!).
Then again maybe I'm scripting a future Flash/LoT crossover here. :-)

ixoy wrote: »

Curious to see how this show's Gideon ties into the Gideon in The Flash

Me too. More so since I am unsure of the hero/villian status of the person last seen with Gideon earlier this week.

Bounty Hunter · 23-01-2016 2:50pm

The thing is he was trying to take people who has had no impact on the timeline but if used right could change things together. People like Barry are presumably too important to the development of the said timeline to take on this mission as it'd change everything having them on board.

Nervous Wreck · 23-01-2016 7:24pm

The trailer for this was fantastic. The pilot was really disappointing. White Canary is a very weak character and the dynamic of the group is a little off, though that's probably at least a little intentional. The fear though, is that each week is gonna be "we're in a new time with a new enemy" and blah blah. Brandon Routh needs more screentime.

ixoy · 23-01-2016 8:06pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Brandon Routh needs more screentime.

I thought he got too little as well whereas the others got a more balanced screen time.

Ridiculously early for us to judge yet though. Needs a good few episodes before we get a picture of how well they balance the characters and see if they're going to do more than time jump to a new location each week. I suspect we'll get a better arc than that.

McLoughlin · 23-01-2016 8:27pm

I'm guessing that Gideon is some kind of future app/computer that everyone has but what what I notice is Rip Hunter and the Reverse Flash are from roughly the same time

gazzer · 24-01-2016 12:39am

Wentworth Miller is SOOOO bad in this. He overacts every scene he is in. Despite him chewing the scenery I really enjoyed the first ep

PirateShampoo · 24-01-2016 12:43am

McLoughlin wrote: »

I'm guessing that Gideon is some kind of future app/computer that everyone has but what what I notice is Rip Hunter and the Reverse Flash are from roughly the same time

Gideon is built by The Flash at some point in the Future,.

Kirby · 24-01-2016 10:44am

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

The trailer for this was fantastic. The pilot was really disappointing. White Canary is a very weak character and the dynamic of the group is a little off, though that's probably at least a little intentional. The fear though, is that each week is gonna be "we're in a new time with a new enemy" and blah blah. Brandon Routh needs more screentime.

The producers love Caity Lotz. Most of the fanbase do too so she's in it for better or worse. I suppose I can see the appeal in that shes an actor that can fight and do her own stunts and that's rare in this price bracket.

The pilot was poor enough but you can just see the potential in the show. If it lasts long enough to realizes the potential is the question. And the whole Hawkgirl/guy thing is just ridiculous. You cant pull that off so I don't know why they are trying. You can have Savage as the villain without the pair of them. It doesn't help that neither of them can act.

Nervous Wreck · 24-01-2016 11:21am

Kirby wrote: »

The producers love Caity Lotz. Most of the fanbase do too so she's in it for better or worse. I suppose I can see the appeal in that shes an actor that can fight and do her own stunts and that's rare in this price bracket.

Agreed. Also, having her tits up around her neck probably helped them with the younger end of the audience. I think she may end up being the thing that kills the show for me though...

Kirby wrote: »

The pilot was poor enough but you can just see the potential in the show. If it lasts long enough to realizes the potential is the question. And the whole Hawkgirl/guy thing is just ridiculous. You cant pull that off so I don't know why they are trying. You can have Savage as the villain without the pair of them. It doesn't help that neither of them can act.

Agreed on this as well. If both actors were really strong, it'd be easier to get on board with even their crappy costumes (they just don't translate very well).

I think the big problem with this is how many of the characters are unrelateable. Brandon Routh should be the very clear frontman of the show; he was great in Arrow, has built a rapport with the audience, he's strong yet goofy, he's relatable and honourable and he's by far the strongest actor on the team (though Victor Garber may be the exception).

The rest are very clearly supporting characters. You've got a sassy assassin with attitude who's too moody to be relatable. Cap Cold and Heatwave are supporting characters that really work in the context of being campy antagonists; they'll work for the show but never be leads. Half of Firestorm is a dude we've met once and is so far just 'the young guy'. The other half is really the father figure of the group but, in a world where 2 of the other characters are thousands of years old and another is from the future, the guidance of a father figure will likely fall short. Then there's the 2 people who are thousands of years old but are mismatched in their memories of that time but matched perfectly by their poor acting skills; which makes them unrelateable again... And finally there's Rip Hunter who just isn't strong enough to lead this team. Maybe he will be when te show grows but, right now, he seems completely incapable...

Sudden Valley · 25-01-2016 2:00am

Darvill seems to be playing a knockoff of Doctor Who (Time master- really??) while the rest of the cast is made up of weak supporting characters of The Flash/Arrow. I can't see this making a second season. I wouldn't single out Caity Lotz for under criticism as regard her acting - she was only as weak as the rest of them in this episode. Her fights do at least remind me how weak the fight scenes in Arrow have become.

ixoy · 25-01-2016 11:06am

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Darvill seems to be playing a knockoff of Doctor Who (Time master- really??)

The Doctor.. Anyway the idea, while it absolutely reminds me of Doctor Who had been around in the DC Universe since at least 1990.

while the rest of the cast is made up of weak supporting characters of The Flash/Arrow.

Nah Brandon Routh is strong enough to go as a lead, as is Garber. Would not at all agree he's weak. The others aren't so far but it's very early days.

I can't see this making a second season.

Seriously it's been one episode! Are you prepared to give it longer? Plenty of great shows have very weak first seasons.

Her fights do at least remind me how weak the fight scenes in Arrow have become.

Are they any weaker than they were? I think it's that Marvel and its Netflix shows have greatly raised the bar.

MJohnston · 25-01-2016 11:17am

A very cluttered and unfocused pilot without any great amount of story clarity or heavy character moments. But, that said, there were moments where it really worked (anytime Heatwave had a line, Hunter's tragic backstory), and Flash, Supergirl, and Arrow all had dubious pilots (or even first seasons in Arrow's case), so I really believe they'll get this one right over time. On the big plus side, the VFX were great, Atom's powers were nailed, Hawkpeople had plenty of impressive CGI-to-practical transitions, etc. Always a thrill to see some out there comic book heroes come to life like this

Penn · 25-01-2016 11:37am

I enjoyed the hell out of it. Captain Cold and Heatwave are so brilliantly cheesy and hammy that they're a lump of pastry away from being a jambon, but for me, it works. They never fail to make me smile.

Having never watched Arrow (though being a big fan of The Flash), I don't know enough of White Canary or The Atom, but they seem fine. Routh definitely has the chops to pull off an excellent performance. I'm sure each character will be given their moments.

The big fight scene looked pretty awesome, particularly Firestorm and Atom.

As for the rest of the team, again, I think each character will get their moments throughout the season, but as first episodes go, I'm in. I thought it was pretty strong and there was a lot to like.

My only complaint is Savage. Even in the Flash/Arrow crossover, he just never seems that powerful, despite how often we're told how powerful he is. Guess time will tell though.

Sudden Valley · 25-01-2016 11:39am

ixoy wrote: »

Are they any weaker than they were? I think it's that Marvel and its Netflix shows have greatly raised the bar.

Although I agree the net flix shows have raised the bar on fight scenes I think this year all the fight scenes in Arrow have been pretty drab. i would argue that the best fight scene in arrow would be casino fight and rescue of Walter in that season one episode (involving a corridor scene that looked a lot like the one from the movie Oldboy) and that each season the fight scenes have got worse. No suprise really given that they replaced quite physical actors like Lotz, Manu Bennet, and that Shaido actress with Katie Cassidy and willa Holland so their fight choereography was bound to suffer.

In a weird way seeing Wentworth Miller and Purcell in this is making me look forward to the revival of Prison break. They are definitely better actors than shown here.

MJohnston · 25-01-2016 12:23pm

Sudden Valley wrote: »

i would argue that the best fight scene in arrow would be casino fight and rescue of Walter in that season one episode

I have to disagree - the season two episode with the flashbacks to the ship being overrun was, imo anyway, the best choreography I've seen. The fights weren't like ballet, but it was rough and brutal, and the long one shot in that was superb.

And then, there was an episode this season directed by the stunt co-ordinator that was jammed full of amazing looking action - eg. Thea's brutal fight with the Ghost that went up through a lift.

Why Do We Fall · 26-01-2016 10:03am

I thought it was decent, some weaknesses there but they should be able to come on from them and improve. I mean I really liked the idea of these guys being picked because they're the opposite of Barry and Oliver in that they haven't left a legacy, and thus are expandable to the timeline.

Darvill was unlikeable for most of the episode, but I'm not sure whether that's down to him or how the character is written, but he had a strong finish towards the end of the episode which gives me hope.

I also liked the reveal behind Boardman and it's a shame to lose the character, as the actor was the strongest of the trio. Hentschel's problem, like Darvill's, is that he's either playing the character like a dick or that the character is simply a dick. In fairness to him though he was better here than in The Flash/Arrow crossover.

Renée seems to be more straightforward in that she simply doesn't seem to be that good. I don't want to judge her too harshly as it's early days but she seems to fade a lot in her scenes, and certainly hasn't shown the gravitas to carry some of her key moments thus far.

As for Lotz, I'm not that familiar with her as I don't really watch Arrow (more of a Flash man), but she seems alright to me, and she has a good thing going on with Purcell and Miller which will help the show find its feet as it's own "thing".

Mitch Connor · 26-01-2016 10:39am

Gave up on that post as it involved too much googling of actors names.

MJohnston · 26-01-2016 10:53am

Darvill/Hunter seemed to be doing his very best for most of the episode to not make any eye contact with anyone - did anyone else notice this? He also had a **** load of the cheesiest lines, but then he's supposed to be from a very proper and stodgy future (something they didn't really communicate well enough)

EoinMcLovin · 29-01-2016 9:20am

Arrow's Stephen Amell to Play

Older, One-Armed Oliver

in future episode

Mr E · 29-01-2016 9:57am

I'm finding it hard to warm to this. I think episode 2 was better than the first, and the second half of this one had some interesting twists (I wasn't expecting a casualty so soon), but something about this just seems ... off. I can't put my finger on it.

It's a short series so I'll keep watching anyway.

29-01-2016 10:22am

Wentworth Miller was the reason I stopped watching the Flash. That's how much I hate his acting. How awful is he in it?

DC's Legends of Tomorrow (CW)

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