DC's Legends of Tomorrow (CW)

Bounty Hunter

The thing is he was trying to take people who has had no impact on the timeline but if used right could change things together. People like Barry are presumably too important to the development of the said timeline to take on this mission as it'd change everything having them on board.

Nervous Wreck

The trailer for this was fantastic. The pilot was really disappointing. White Canary is a very weak character and the dynamic of the group is a little off, though that's probably at least a little intentional. The fear though, is that each week is gonna be "we're in a new time with a new enemy" and blah blah. Brandon Routh needs more screentime.

ixoy

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Brandon Routh needs more screentime.

I thought he got too little as well whereas the others got a more balanced screen time.

Ridiculously early for us to judge yet though. Needs a good few episodes before we get a picture of how well they balance the characters and see if they're going to do more than time jump to a new location each week. I suspect we'll get a better arc than that.

McLoughlin

I'm guessing that Gideon is some kind of future app/computer that everyone has but what what I notice is Rip Hunter and the Reverse Flash are from roughly the same time

gazzer

Wentworth Miller is SOOOO bad in this. He overacts every scene he is in. Despite him chewing the scenery I really enjoyed the first ep

PirateShampoo

McLoughlin wrote: »

I'm guessing that Gideon is some kind of future app/computer that everyone has but what what I notice is Rip Hunter and the Reverse Flash are from roughly the same time

Gideon is built by The Flash at some point in the Future,.

Kirby

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

The trailer for this was fantastic. The pilot was really disappointing. White Canary is a very weak character and the dynamic of the group is a little off, though that's probably at least a little intentional. The fear though, is that each week is gonna be "we're in a new time with a new enemy" and blah blah. Brandon Routh needs more screentime.

The producers love Caity Lotz. Most of the fanbase do too so she's in it for better or worse. I suppose I can see the appeal in that shes an actor that can fight and do her own stunts and that's rare in this price bracket.

The pilot was poor enough but you can just see the potential in the show. If it lasts long enough to realizes the potential is the question. And the whole Hawkgirl/guy thing is just ridiculous. You cant pull that off so I don't know why they are trying. You can have Savage as the villain without the pair of them. It doesn't help that neither of them can act.

Nervous Wreck

Kirby wrote: »

The producers love Caity Lotz. Most of the fanbase do too so she's in it for better or worse. I suppose I can see the appeal in that shes an actor that can fight and do her own stunts and that's rare in this price bracket.

Agreed. Also, having her tits up around her neck probably helped them with the younger end of the audience. I think she may end up being the thing that kills the show for me though...

Kirby wrote: »

The pilot was poor enough but you can just see the potential in the show. If it lasts long enough to realizes the potential is the question. And the whole Hawkgirl/guy thing is just ridiculous. You cant pull that off so I don't know why they are trying. You can have Savage as the villain without the pair of them. It doesn't help that neither of them can act.

Agreed on this as well. If both actors were really strong, it'd be easier to get on board with even their crappy costumes (they just don't translate very well).

I think the big problem with this is how many of the characters are unrelateable. Brandon Routh should be the very clear frontman of the show; he was great in Arrow, has built a rapport with the audience, he's strong yet goofy, he's relatable and honourable and he's by far the strongest actor on the team (though Victor Garber may be the exception).

The rest are very clearly supporting characters. You've got a sassy assassin with attitude who's too moody to be relatable. Cap Cold and Heatwave are supporting characters that really work in the context of being campy antagonists; they'll work for the show but never be leads. Half of Firestorm is a dude we've met once and is so far just 'the young guy'. The other half is really the father figure of the group but, in a world where 2 of the other characters are thousands of years old and another is from the future, the guidance of a father figure will likely fall short. Then there's the 2 people who are thousands of years old but are mismatched in their memories of that time but matched perfectly by their poor acting skills; which makes them unrelateable again... And finally there's Rip Hunter who just isn't strong enough to lead this team. Maybe he will be when te show grows but, right now, he seems completely incapable...

Sudden Valley

Darvill seems to be playing a knockoff of Doctor Who (Time master- really??) while the rest of the cast is made up of weak supporting characters of The Flash/Arrow. I can't see this making a second season. I wouldn't single out Caity Lotz for under criticism as regard her acting - she was only as weak as the rest of them in this episode. Her fights do at least remind me how weak the fight scenes in Arrow have become.

ixoy

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Darvill seems to be playing a knockoff of Doctor Who (Time master- really??)

The Doctor.. Anyway the idea, while it absolutely reminds me of Doctor Who had been around in the DC Universe since at least 1990.

while the rest of the cast is made up of weak supporting characters of The Flash/Arrow.

Nah Brandon Routh is strong enough to go as a lead, as is Garber. Would not at all agree he's weak. The others aren't so far but it's very early days.

I can't see this making a second season.

Seriously it's been one episode! Are you prepared to give it longer? Plenty of great shows have very weak first seasons.

Her fights do at least remind me how weak the fight scenes in Arrow have become.

Are they any weaker than they were? I think it's that Marvel and its Netflix shows have greatly raised the bar.

MJohnston

A very cluttered and unfocused pilot without any great amount of story clarity or heavy character moments. But, that said, there were moments where it really worked (anytime Heatwave had a line, Hunter's tragic backstory), and Flash, Supergirl, and Arrow all had dubious pilots (or even first seasons in Arrow's case), so I really believe they'll get this one right over time. On the big plus side, the VFX were great, Atom's powers were nailed, Hawkpeople had plenty of impressive CGI-to-practical transitions, etc. Always a thrill to see some out there comic book heroes come to life like this

Penn

I enjoyed the hell out of it. Captain Cold and Heatwave are so brilliantly cheesy and hammy that they're a lump of pastry away from being a jambon, but for me, it works. They never fail to make me smile.

Having never watched Arrow (though being a big fan of The Flash), I don't know enough of White Canary or The Atom, but they seem fine. Routh definitely has the chops to pull off an excellent performance. I'm sure each character will be given their moments.

The big fight scene looked pretty awesome, particularly Firestorm and Atom.

As for the rest of the team, again, I think each character will get their moments throughout the season, but as first episodes go, I'm in. I thought it was pretty strong and there was a lot to like.

My only complaint is Savage. Even in the Flash/Arrow crossover, he just never seems that powerful, despite how often we're told how powerful he is. Guess time will tell though.

Sudden Valley

ixoy wrote: »

Are they any weaker than they were? I think it's that Marvel and its Netflix shows have greatly raised the bar.

Although I agree the net flix shows have raised the bar on fight scenes I think this year all the fight scenes in Arrow have been pretty drab. i would argue that the best fight scene in arrow would be casino fight and rescue of Walter in that season one episode (involving a corridor scene that looked a lot like the one from the movie Oldboy) and that each season the fight scenes have got worse. No suprise really given that they replaced quite physical actors like Lotz, Manu Bennet, and that Shaido actress with Katie Cassidy and willa Holland so their fight choereography was bound to suffer.

In a weird way seeing Wentworth Miller and Purcell in this is making me look forward to the revival of Prison break. They are definitely better actors than shown here.

MJohnston

Sudden Valley wrote: »

i would argue that the best fight scene in arrow would be casino fight and rescue of Walter in that season one episode

I have to disagree - the season two episode with the flashbacks to the ship being overrun was, imo anyway, the best choreography I've seen. The fights weren't like ballet, but it was rough and brutal, and the long one shot in that was superb.

And then, there was an episode this season directed by the stunt co-ordinator that was jammed full of amazing looking action - eg. Thea's brutal fight with the Ghost that went up through a lift.

Why Do We Fall

I thought it was decent, some weaknesses there but they should be able to come on from them and improve. I mean I really liked the idea of these guys being picked because they're the opposite of Barry and Oliver in that they haven't left a legacy, and thus are expandable to the timeline.

Darvill was unlikeable for most of the episode, but I'm not sure whether that's down to him or how the character is written, but he had a strong finish towards the end of the episode which gives me hope.

I also liked the reveal behind Boardman and it's a shame to lose the character, as the actor was the strongest of the trio. Hentschel's problem, like Darvill's, is that he's either playing the character like a dick or that the character is simply a dick. In fairness to him though he was better here than in The Flash/Arrow crossover.

Renée seems to be more straightforward in that she simply doesn't seem to be that good. I don't want to judge her too harshly as it's early days but she seems to fade a lot in her scenes, and certainly hasn't shown the gravitas to carry some of her key moments thus far.

As for Lotz, I'm not that familiar with her as I don't really watch Arrow (more of a Flash man), but she seems alright to me, and she has a good thing going on with Purcell and Miller which will help the show find its feet as it's own "thing".

Mitch Connor

Gave up on that post as it involved too much googling of actors names.

MJohnston

Darvill/Hunter seemed to be doing his very best for most of the episode to not make any eye contact with anyone - did anyone else notice this? He also had a **** load of the cheesiest lines, but then he's supposed to be from a very proper and stodgy future (something they didn't really communicate well enough)

EoinMcLovin

Arrow's Stephen Amell to Play

Older, One-Armed Oliver

in future episode

Mr E

I'm finding it hard to warm to this. I think episode 2 was better than the first, and the second half of this one had some interesting twists (I wasn't expecting a casualty so soon), but something about this just seems ... off. I can't put my finger on it.

It's a short series so I'll keep watching anyway.

Wentworth Miller was the reason I stopped watching the Flash. That's how much I hate his acting. How awful is he in it?

MJohnston

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wentworth Miller was the reason I stopped watching the Flash. That's how much I hate his acting. How awful is he in it?

He's as wonderfully awful as in The Flash

Mr E

I wish the director would just say "HEY WENTWORTH! STOP DOING THE STUPID VOICE! JUST TALK NORMALLY!"

Tbh even if he stopped doing the silly voice he'd still be awful.

Penn

Mr E wrote: »

I wish the director would just say "HEY WENTWORTH! STOP DOING THE STUPID VOICE! JUST TALK NORMALLY!"

I wouldn't change it. For me it's just so damn cheesy that it goes all the way around to being brilliant

MJohnston

Penn wrote: »

I wouldn't change it. For me it's just so damn cheesy that it goes all the way around to being brilliant

Same here. Him and Dominic Purcell are having a ton of fun hamming it up, and I really enjoy it.

crazyderk

That was a somewhat enjoyable episode. I'll definitely continue watching.
The only issue I have with all series like this is they've pretty much set the ending from the start. Does this show not have a finite amount of episodes?

For example lets say the bad guy gets killed, the good guys family and future are saved. is that not it?

more examples would be Flash forward or Prison break,

Mr E

Well Flash Forward had a second Flash Forward, and Prison Break had another Prison Break.

I'm sure they could come up with another story for season two (if they go down that route). Vandal Savage might survive too. They might get 2 or 3 seasons out of him.

Antar Bolaeisk

crazyderk wrote: »

That was a somewhat enjoyable episode. I'll definitely continue watching.
The only issue I have with all series like this is they've pretty much set the ending from the start. Does this show not have a finite amount of episodes?

For example lets say the bad guy gets killed, the good guys family and future are saved. is that not it?

more examples would be Flash forward or Prison break,

I think that was their plan, that essentially it would be a new team/villain each season.

crazyderk

Mr E wrote: »

Well Flash Forward had a second Flash Forward, and Prison Break had another Prison Break.

I'm sure they could come up with another story for season two (if they go down that route). Vandal Savage might survive too. They might get 2 or 3 seasons out of him.

That's kind of my point. Prison break could have ended after the first season, maybe 2. the third and fourth season got ridiculous.

I understand the second flash forward, it was a machine who created it but again once that storyline is done the show is kind of done.

I suppose if you could have a different bad guy in season 2 possibly a new crew. I'm just a bit wary I suppose, I tend to get to emotionally attached to characters/shows and then they die/get cancelled, Curse you Game of thrones/Doctor Who/Stargate and so on!

so I'll just have to wait to see if it gets renewed or if there's another story arc they could go with.

MJohnston

They said they're going to make this a kind of anthology show in the vein of Fargo, True Detective, etc. Completely different crew and villains each season. We'll see if they stick to that if a particular character starts becoming very popular.

Watching Prison Break and Wentworth Miller isn't half bad. What happened??

ixoy

MJohnston wrote: »

Same here. Him and Dominic Purcell are having a ton of fun hamming it up, and I really enjoy it.

Exactly! They're clearly not treating it as a serious dramatic role, hence the acting up. It's a lot of fun I find. From browsing other forms, they appears to be very popular too for the utterly OTT performances (in particular from Miller).

bluesfan

I thought the second episode was an improvement over the first, gives a bit of hope for the rest of the series.

Axwell

Arrow reference for those watching it as well

Damien Darhk looking pretty much the same age in 1976 as he does now

duridian

Axwell wrote: »

Arrow reference for those watching it....

I actually kinda hoped more would come of that. That they would ARROW REFERENCE

have to face down a tag team of Darhk and Savage in a bigger way during the rest of the episode. Also that we might see more of Darhk's matter bending powers.

Mickeroo

Just watched the first episode there. Was hoping it could be a bit of goofy fun but it's just really really awful unfortunately. I haven't made it past the first few episodes of any of the other DC shows either though so I'm not sure why I expected this to be different. Might give it another shot own the line if I hear it improves as it goes along.

Kirby

Good god. When somebody is dying.....the words "Save your strength!" should never, ever, ever, ever be uttered.

Who writes crap like this?

PhiloCypher

Mickeroo wrote: »

Just watched the first episode there. Was hoping it could be a bit of goofy fun but it's just really really awful unfortunately. I haven't made it past the first few episodes of any of the other DC shows either though so I'm not sure why I expected this to be different. Might give it another shot own the line if I hear it improves as it goes along.

Episode 2 was the goofy fun you were looking for.

Nervous Wreck

Mickeroo wrote: »

Just watched the first episode there. Was hoping it could be a bit of goofy fun but it's just really really awful unfortunately. I haven't made it past the first few episodes of any of the other DC shows either though so I'm not sure why I expected this to be different. Might give it another shot own the line if I hear it improves as it goes along.

I seriously recommend The Flash. Easily the best of the DC shows and goofy fun by the bucketload.

Mickeroo

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I seriously recommend The Flash. Easily the best of the DC shows and goofy fun by the bucketload.

Flash is the only one I've found remotely likeable so far, but only watched the pilot there too.

maybe these are just not for you?

Which would suck, cause there is fun to be had

maybe these are just not for you?

Which would suck, cause there is fun to be had

crazyderk

I actually started with just the flash then just before Christmas I started to give Arrow a go for the second time. I really enjoyed the Arrow if you just get through the first season. Season 2 is really good.
I'll keep watching this for the moment and see how it pans out.

Mormegil

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Darvill seems to be playing a knockoff of Doctor Who (Time master- really??)

The character of Rip Hunter actually predates Doctor Who by a few years having first appeared in 1959.

Sudden Valley

Mormegil wrote: »

The character of Rip Hunter actually predates Doctor Who by a few years having first appeared in 1959.

Strange that he is that old but has never appeared in a series before this. Second episode was a slight improvement but I wish they would take in some real world politics from the past. Have the PLO or some real leftist terrorist group of that time try to buy a nuke.

Mitch Connor

NOt a fan of this so far - very weak in comparison to Arrow and Flash. The big weakness for me, imo, is the action scenes. Too many things just flying around and exploding, little viewable and appreciable choreography.

Will continue to watch it, but i'm certainly not gripped and its not a show I can't wait to watch the next episode of (like Flash, Arrow or The Expanse). Agent Carter is also disappointing me this season.

Mitch Connor

NOt a fan of this so far - very weak in comparison to Arrow and Flash. The big weakness for me, imo, is the action scenes. Too many things just flying around and exploding, little viewable and appreciable choreography.

Will continue to watch it, but i'm certainly not gripped and its not a show I can't wait to watch the next episode of (like Flash, Arrow or The Expanse). Agent Carter is also disappointing me this season.

squonk

It's better than I expected after watching Episode 1. Ep 2 found it's feet a little more. I was surprised to see Damien Darkh back in 1976 and, like others, I thought they'd make more of it. Is there a reason he's not aging? I know he's got powers so I assume that's part of the deal?

Wentworth Miller irks me as well! I know they're hamming it up overall but I wish they'd tone it down a bit. The two guys are great characters but the bloody overacting is a killer.

I'm interested to see where they go with the time hopping overall. I'm not sure it makes sense to replace the team each season. I quite like Victor Garber and he's quite a draw for me to watch this show. Without him and Routh it'd be pretty meh so they really need to be careful about the heavyweights they're bring in next season if they're rejigging the team.

squonk

It's better than I expected after watching Episode 1. Ep 2 found it's feet a little more. I was surprised to see Damien Darkh back in 1976 and, like others, I thought they'd make more of it. Is there a reason he's not aging? I know he's got powers so I assume that's part of the deal?

Wentworth Miller irks me as well! I know they're hamming it up overall but I wish they'd tone it down a bit. The two guys are great characters but the bloody overacting is a killer.

I'm interested to see where they go with the time hopping overall. I'm not sure it makes sense to replace the team each season. I quite like Victor Garber and he's quite a draw for me to watch this show. Without him and Routh it'd be pretty meh so they really need to be careful about the heavyweights they're bring in next season if they're rejigging the team.

MJohnston

Hasn't Darkh stated on Arrow already that he's real old? Regardless, Ra's Al Ghul definitely made it clear that Darkh stole some Lazarus Pit water way back when they were rivals to be Ra's.