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  • #3452
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/department-hopeful-in-eu-approval-of-proposed-new-tams-tillage-scheme-198171/

    Thundering disgrace!
    What about the poultry, pig and market garden sectors? Bloody favouritism!
    Why are dairy, beef and tillage more important than the rest?

    Wrong wrong wrong.




    :)


  • #3453
    trixi2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭trixi2011


    Mehaffey1 wrote: »
    My facts and figures may be slightly out so don't take them as gospel. After tonight he will have a pre grazing cover of 2300 and from there its down all the way to 1425 on his feed wedge so cows are getting hungry, av pasture cover 1799. His fert is applied by contractor with a yearly plan so he is maxed out there. He is going hard and heavy with supplement 2x1kg per day grain in shed feed and a mix of silage,PKE and alkalige which adds to 6kg through diet wagon.

    He was offering 21kg per day previously, very big built high producing (usually) friesian. He has since dialled that back to 19kg.

    I have no facts on 16hr milking to hand but his last pick up analysis gave 1.6kgMS per cow. I would expect to see it level out at 1.45 or more after a few days.

    Really think the bottom has fell out of it and he won't recover grass without either cutting back from 2ad milking, I had put the idea of first year calvers/lames and low producers going on 1ad
    Have you had alot of northwesters in the last month ? Can you notice much of a difference between rotor rainer and pivot areas. Are the urine patchs alot greener than the rest of the paddock?


  • #3454
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Thundering disgrace!
    What about the poultry, pig and market garden sectors? Bloody favouritism!
    Why are dairy, beef and tillage more important than the rest?

    Wrong wrong wrong.




    :)

    There is horticulture, pig and poultry grants too!!


  • #3455
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    There is horticulture, pig and poultry grants too!!

    I'll sleep tonight.

    Maybe I should rant some more?

    Maybe I should start a one man lobby?

    Maybe I should sneak a few levies from farm produce?


  • #3456
    Greengrass1
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    Cows out today.


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  • #3457
    C0N0R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Drove past a field of cows out grazing yesterday, in Monaghan!!


  • #3458
    frazzledhome
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    C0N0R wrote: »
    Drove past a field of cows out grazing yesterday, in Monaghan!!

    Jaysus they'll pay for that yet ;)


  • #3459
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Reading through Dawgs posts and must say I agree with him. It's come to pass now that tillage farms are subbing dairy guys with cheap feed.

    This cheap feed is a result of the commodity crash but we get a hand out they don't, not right

    Our Christmas bonus was as compo for the bollixing with Russia over some **** hole that was there's anyway. A political decision and we get compo but nobody else does


  • #3460
    atlantic mist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    the saudi's are subbing the tillage lads with cheep diesel at the min:)


  • #3461
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    atlantic mist wrote: »
    the saudi's are subbing the tillage lads with cheep diesel at the min:)

    Thats true. Cos my tractor runs on the tears of babies, it still costs me an arm and a leg to run. Damn those tillage guys tractors and their new fangled diesel engines


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  • #3462
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Cows out today.

    On purpose?








    :D:D


  • #3463
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Mehaffey1 wrote: »
    They had huge condition after calving going into mating, talking average NZ score of 5.0+. Will tell him about paddock testing

    To be honest, I'm just trying to cushion the blow that they more than likely can't pull this back. They have a farm advisor out every week now, has no sympathy for my friend at all too.

    Going to stay at his to give him a hand over the weekend, he's the type of guy who'd work 3am to midnight especially now he feels it's his fault

    I m little unclear as to your buddys role in the setup and to be honest I think the problems are above his head


  • #3464
    Mehaffey1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    keep going wrote: »
    I m little unclear as to your buddys role in the setup and to be honest I think the problems are above his head

    He's assistant manager (2IC). Yeah it definitely is, first season on this farm too and plenty to do with sharemilker not having a good look round the farm and leaving a plan before going on holidays.

    Got the BVL diet wagon stuck last night in the paddock so there was more stress, had to get dug out by the farm owner with his digger. Cows felt good milking this morning though. Hard to see pics in the dark.


  • #3465
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Mehaffey1 wrote: »
    He's assistant manager (2IC). Yeah it definitely is, first season on this farm too and plenty to do with sharemilker not having a good look round the farm and leaving a plan before going on holidays.

    Got the BVL diet wagon stuck last night in the paddock so there was more stress, had to get dug out by the farm owner with his digger. Cows felt good milking this morning though. Hard to see pics in the dark.

    So how long is this share milker on holidays for and is he somewhere near the source of the amazon that he cant be contacted.did this problem start with a dry spell, over stocked earlier or what


  • #3466
    Mehaffey1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    keep going wrote: »
    So how long is this share milker on holidays for and is he somewhere near the source of the amazon that he cant be contacted.did this problem start with a dry spell, over stocked earlier or what

    Back on 21St January for one day then away again to the 27th. Over stocked would cause the issue and very low grass growth compared to the norm. They are high input compared to the Canterbury average and have fed grass only too late in summer for too long.

    Finally on a more cheerful note the girlfriend has told her contract milker that she's moving on at the end of the season. Very proud of her as she's not one for making a stand when I've been telling her to go for the last year.


  • #3467
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Reading through Dawgs posts and must say I agree with him. It's come to pass now that tillage farms are subbing dairy guys with cheap feed.

    This cheap feed is a result of the commodity crash but we get a hand out they don't, not right

    Our Christmas bonus was as compo for the bollixing with Russia over some **** hole that was there's anyway. A political decision and we get compo but nobody else does

    But..but..but..larger economic footprint...downstream added value...tillage land needed for expansion..

    *Thanks Frazz. Good that someone can see the wood for the trees*.

    Maybe you are becoming more sanguine in your middle age...and putting down the sprong/fork/pike of the extreme fundamentalists...to become more tolerant of other (completely wasteful!) farming sectors. :):)


  • #3468
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Dawggone wrote: »
    But..but..but..larger economic footprint...downstream added value...tillage land needed for expansion..

    *Thanks Frazz. Good that someone can see the wood for the trees*.

    Maybe you are becoming more sanguine in your middle age...and putting down the sprong/fork/pike of the extreme fundamentalists...to become more tolerant of other (completely wasteful!) farming sectors. :):)

    I see farming as a business to the people who are farming but I see it as much more to the community as a whole.

    There's a community to be considered. We're all in te shyte price wise but if the EU and Irish Gov are serious about the Ag Industry they need to see it as multi faceted.

    Great we powderise our milk and export it but then feel that it's ok to import parsnips and sell for free. That's not how it should be.

    In my honest opinion grains need to be hitting €180/tonne for tillage and dairy to maintain any kind of profitability.

    What's most disturbing is that most farms can't support a second income i.e. Successor coming home to drive the business.

    There's a bitter pill to be swallowed down the road here. It's not socialist to be fair, in fact socialism has proven itself to be unfair. The community of farmers need to be supported not only by government but by the population

    I think a lot of people have lost their soul in that they don't care where their consumables or services come from. I think we all need to look closer to home for our trades people, goods and services. Value is about a lot more than price


  • #3469
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Dawggone wrote: »
    But..but..but..larger economic footprint...downstream added value...tillage land needed for expansion..

    *Thanks Frazz. Good that someone can see the wood for the trees*.

    Maybe you are becoming more sanguine in your middle age...and putting down the sprong/fork/pike of the extreme fundamentalists...to become more tolerant of other (completely wasteful!) farming sectors. :):)

    Your point about tolerance, I have zero tolerance for wasteful lazy feckers who are doing a bad job. You and I well know they're in every sector of the community


  • #3470
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    I see farming as a business to the people who are farming but I see it as much more to the community as a whole.

    There's a community to be considered. We're all in te shyte price wise but if the EU and Irish Gov are serious about the Ag Industry they need to see it as multi faceted.

    Great we powderise our milk and export it but then feel that it's ok to import parsnips and sell for free. That's not how it should be.

    In my honest opinion grains need to be hitting €180/tonne for tillage and dairy to maintain any kind of profitability.

    What's most disturbing is that most farms can't support a second income i.e. Successor coming home to drive the business.

    There's a bitter pill to be swallowed down the road here. It's not socialist to be fair, in fact socialism has proven itself to be unfair. The community of farmers need to be supported not only by government but by the population

    I think a lot of people have lost their soul in that they don't care where their consumables or services come from. I think we all need to look closer to home for our trades people, goods and services. Value is about a lot more than price
    Jayus, we re gone all philosophical here.bottom line dawg is food is a political business not just in the eu theres plenty examples of government s favouring a certain agenda, be it green polices, food security or plain old keeping up with the jones.the reason we got this money was to get dawgs neighbours off the streets and just as when the recent suckler cow scheme was put in place it was for a political reason than any sort of a policey.tillage prices are low but it has as much to do with the price of oil as any political policey.next up why arent they getting a sub because of it, well because they didnt make an issue out of it.tbh that payment to dairy farmers isnt going to make a damn difference to anyone in trouble and yes it can be argued that there is a bullish amongst the dairy industry at the moment but the next couple of years will take alot of shine off us and is probably the most fortunate bit of timing that has occurred


  • #3471
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    frazzledhome wrote:
    I think a lot of people have lost their soul in that they don't care where their consumables or services come from. I think we all need to look closer to home for our trades people, goods and services. Value is about a lot more than price


    Oddly enough I think the younger generations may have a better handle on this than we do, at least if social media or indeed the prevalence of organic food in the US is any indicator.

    Our challenge therefore must surely be to rear young farmers who understand their customers, and aren't stuck a generation behind them - intent on industrial production and "efficiency" at the expense of quality and goodness.


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  • #3472
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    I see farming as a business to the people who are farming but I see it as much more to the community as a whole.

    There's a community to be considered. We're all in te shyte price wise but if the EU and Irish Gov are serious about the Ag Industry they need to see it as multi faceted.

    Great we powderise our milk and export it but then feel that it's ok to import parsnips and sell for free. That's not how it should be.

    In my honest opinion grains need to be hitting €180/tonne for tillage and dairy to maintain any kind of profitability.

    What's most disturbing is that most farms can't support a second income i.e. Successor coming home to drive the business.

    There's a bitter pill to be swallowed down the road here. It's not socialist to be fair, in fact socialism has proven itself to be unfair. The community of farmers need to be supported not only by government but by the population

    I think a lot of people have lost their soul in that they don't care where their consumables or services come from. I think we all need to look closer to home for our trades people, goods and services. Value is about a lot more than price

    +1. Thoroughly agree.

    Agri needs to be dynamic and multifaceted. Otherwise you will be slaughtering your male calves at birth, and if there are no home cereals produced you'll pay through the nose for the hi-energy nut etc etc...

    If you follow the money, the Glanbia's and Dairygold's of the country are totally slanted towards dairy (rightly so), but the Quinn's and Connolly's of the country depend on tillage to stay in business. The clout of the PLCs and Coop processors is huge in comparison to the family run merchants. That clout is certainly used to pressure government.

    What do we do to keep the big Coops honest if the merchants are gone?
    I'd hate to be in a one stop shop where all is dairy and all business is done with your one big Coop like Fonterra.
    Banana economy comes to mind...


  • #3473
    atlantic mist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    after watching the sugar documentary the other night highlighted the strong consumer attitudes to convenient (processed) food

    raw produce is nearly becoming a niche market walking through any supermarkets its shocking to realise how much is processed, 1 isle out of 10 is fresh produce, added sugar and added wheat to bulk up is in nearly everything now

    we need to start educating children about the right foods to eat in schools and i do think it should be a compulsory subject as some people genuinely equate fruit on package to be healthy snacks instead of an actual piece of fruit


  • #3474
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Go china. They love our whiskey and milk. They love all irish farming.:Dhttp://www.independent.ie/business/irish/china-now-our-second-biggest-dairy-market-bord-bia-reveals-34361954.html


  • #3475
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Dawggone wrote: »
    +1. Thoroughly agree.

    Agri needs to be dynamic and multifaceted. Otherwise you will be slaughtering your male calves at birth, and if there are no home cereals produced you'll pay through the nose for the hi-energy nut etc etc...

    If you follow the money, the Glanbia's and Dairygold's of the country are totally slanted towards dairy (rightly so), but the Quinn's and Connolly's of the country depend on tillage to stay in business. The clout of the PLCs and Coop processors is huge in comparison to the family run merchants. That clout is certainly used to pressure government.

    What do we do to keep the big Coops honest if the merchants are gone?
    I'd hate to be in a one stop shop where all is dairy and all business is done with your one big Coop like Fonterra.
    Banana economy comes to mind...

    The biggest costs on my farm are in order
    Myself 6c/l
    Fert 3.5c/l
    Nuts 3cl
    Interest is next followed by land lease

    The only ones I have any real control over are feed and Fert. To grow 18 tonnes of grass Fert will always be in the region of €360/ha. To carry an SR of 4 800 kgms nuts are minimum

    Interest is by and large set at the start of a loan and ain't the easiest to change, similarly with land leasing.

    My own salary is non negotiable and if be a fool to do so.

    This leaves only feed and Fert that I can have any bearing on. I deal with Liffeys and Glanbia for both. Quality and service is excellent with both. While I have them I've some control but imagine a scenario that Dawg outlines where 2 major players would control 70% of the variable inputs in the Southern half of the country.

    We'd be goosed

    It is imperative that we keep the family run business' running and the only way they can compete is by us dealing with them. I doesn't mean in any way that we don't make them compete, it keeps th all honest.

    We get prices from both 3 times a year and when the deal is done they know they'll get 4 mths business and then have to catch the horse again. Out of respect for both parties I never divulge the price to either and thus get their best shot first time.

    Either that works or we're being rode constantly :):)


  • #3476
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Amazed u can keep fert at 3.5c/l at ur SR. Always between 5/6c/l here. And that's only slightly above the average for my dg, west cork must be hungry ground!


  • #3477
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Dawggone wrote: »
    +1000.
    Thanks Darragh.

    Mind your back! I'm led to believe that there are some extreme dairy fundamentalists down in the deep south west and speaking the truth is not taken to too kindly. So careful how you go!!


    I'm off now to practice genuflecting....:):)

    When u spend a lot of ur time breaking and drawing dump trailers of rock into bogs and wet holes trying to make land, it's hard to have sympathy for the tillage men of this world.
    When I drive around Roberts Cove, Minane bridge, Nohoval or any part of east Cork I feel like crying!!


  • #3478
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Amazed u can keep fert at 3.5c/l at ur SR. Always between 5/6c/l here. And that's only slightly above the average for my dg, west cork must be hungry ground!

    Whole farm


  • #3479
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    When u spend a lot of ur time breaking and drawing dump trailers of rock into bogs and wet holes trying to make land, it's hard to have sympathy for the tillage men of this world.
    When I drive around Roberts Cove, Minane bridge, Nohoval or any part of east Cork I feel like crying!!

    I know West Cork fairly well through sporting interests and I can honestly say that I would starve if I farmed there. I raise my hat to those that do.
    The effort that it takes must be Herculean.
    Btw East Cork (Roberts Cove etc) wouldn't be my choice of good land...hilly and sharp....hard to work and small fields. :)
    I will be in the Ilen Valley next weekend if all goes well. Castledonovan at 8oclock and 'hammers back'.

    Is that part of the country one of the mildest and wettest?


  • #3480
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Dawggone wrote: »
    I know West Cork fairly well through sporting interests and I can honestly say that I would starve if I farmed there. I raise my hat to those that do.
    The effort that it takes must be Herculean.
    Btw East Cork (Roberts Cove etc) wouldn't be my choice of good land...hilly and sharp....hard to work and small fields. :)
    I will be in the Ilen Valley next weekend if all goes well. Castledonovan at 8oclock and 'hammers back'.

    Is that part of the country one of the mildest and wettest?

    Thought yo needed a break , been abit cantakerous lately.:-)yeah little or no frost down our by the sea butid say we are not the wettest parts of the country


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  • #3481
    Mehaffey1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    http://www.holsteinusa.com/news/press_release2016.html#pr2016_04

    1942kg MS with my calculations!


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