Off licences and draconian closing times

One More Toy · 15-01-2016 11:20PM #1

What a load of bollóx

Ten minutes too late for the off licence to get a few tins to sit down with.

Fúckers in the dáil protecting their publican friends

Boskowski · 15-01-2016 11:22PM

If it bothers you that much maybe a couple of nights off the juice is just what you need.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-01-2016 11:25PM

One More Toy wrote: »

What a load of bollóx

Ten minutes too late for the off licence to get a few tins to sit down with.

Fúckers in the dáil protecting their publican friends

Adult

Tip

Get

There

Earlier!

I bet your "that guy" who also whinges when the barman won't serve you at 1:15 even though the bar closes at 12.30

Junkyard Tom · 15-01-2016 11:28PM

O.L. opening times are really really stupid. An OL should be allowed to sell 24/7 if it's not causing a nuisance.

Banjo String · 15-01-2016 11:30PM

I have the opposite problem OP.

Bought a dozen cans there earlier, chilled them way way down til there was droplets clinging to the can, sat down to enjoy one and just thought fcuk it, then put them out in the garage I til some other time.

Pm me, if you're anyway half close by you're more than welcome to them.

Actually am only joking.

**crack**

*glug glug glug glug*

Sweet sweet Friday night beer and some decent choons.

m1ck007 · 15-01-2016 11:33PM

Banjo String wrote: »

I have the opposite problem OP.

Bought a dozen cans there earlier, chilled them way way down til there was droplets clinging to the can, sat down to enjoy one and just thought fcuk it, then put them out in the garage I til some other time.

Pm me, if you're anyway half close by you're more than welcome to them.

Actually am only joking.

**crack**

*glug glug glug glug*

Sweet sweet Friday night beer and some decent choons.

Yeoooooooooo

c_man · 15-01-2016 11:34PM

One More Toy wrote: »

Fúckers in the dáil protecting their publican friends

Nah, it's to protect the kids (or whatever **** excuse they gave the plebs).

I feel for you OP. I'm having the next can in your honour.

Strumms · 15-01-2016 11:35PM

I have the dilema... i have cans in the fridge but a txt to go to the pub.. im a bit knackered all the same.. still nice to have the choice

There is a small supermarket on the north side of Dublin. Open 24 hours where it is legal and they will sell you cans... guess where it is :pac:

Its a bit of a pisser i was in a Spar before Christmas that opens until 11pm. got there at about 9.50 i was just buying groceries when i got to the till the guy in front of me had 8 cans and his mate the same.. they had been there before me also buying other stuff and carrying the beer in the trolly... your man on the till wouldnt let them buy the beer as the till was reading 10.01pm .

melissak · 16-01-2016 01:21PM

Strumms wrote: »

I have the dilema... i have cans in the fridge but a txt to go to the pub.. im a bit knackered all the same.. still nice to have the choice

There is a small supermarket on the north side of Dublin. Open 24 hours where it is legal and they will sell you cans... guess where it is :pac:

Its a bit of a pisser i was in a Spar before Christmas that opens until 11pm. got there at about 9.50 i was just buying groceries when i got to the till the guy in front of me had 8 cans and his mate the same.. they had been there before me also buying other stuff and carrying the beer in the trolly... your man on the till wouldnt let them buy the beer as the till was reading 10.01pm .

It was one minute past ten. Rules are rules baa baaa

The Backwards Man · 16-01-2016 01:29PM

They're open long enough. As someone who likes a drink meself, the childish relationship many people have with alcohol never ceases to amaze me.

If it was a banana or a head of lettuce you'd have to wait until the shop opened, but if it's a bottles of cheap suds lets throw our toys out of the pram and cry like big babies.

hatrickpatrick · 16-01-2016 01:34PM

The 10PM closing time is moronic and leads to worse binge drinking. People buy way more than they actually need "just in case" and end up overdoing it.

The Backwards Man · 16-01-2016 01:36PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The 10PM closing time is moronic and leads to worse binge drinking. People buy way more than they actually need "just in case" and end up overdoing it.

People are idiots.

Who knew?

Agricola · 16-01-2016 01:49PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

They're open long enough. As someone who likes a drink meself, the childish relationship many people have with alcohol never ceases to amaze me.

If it was a banana or a head of lettuce you'd have to wait until the shop opened, but if it's a bottles of cheap suds lets throw our toys out of the pram and cry like big babies.

TBF, few people are looking for, or go out shopping at 10pm for heads of lettuce. Alcohol, unless you have a problem, is a nocturnal pursuit which many people would only put an ounce of thought into around 10pm of a Friday night. It's not unreasonable to expect them to be open til 11 / 11.30. Opening later in the day should be part an parcel of this.

16-01-2016 01:52PM

Bad planning op, for a start off licences are more expensive than supermarkets so you should just stock up when doing your shopping and buy 24 or 48 cans (particularly if there are 24 for 24 offers etc) so you will be sure to keep you going should you want a few. This buying a few cans tonight and then having to go again for more for the next night is just extra effort. Keep a stock.

Iwasfrozen · 16-01-2016 01:55PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The 10PM closing time is moronic and leads to worse binge drinking. People buy way more than they actually need "just in case" and end up overdoing it.

I'm sure you've read lots of evidence to justify your absolute certainty.

Spanish Eyes · 16-01-2016 01:57PM

Even worse is the fact that people cannot avail of the M&S meal deal with wine on their way into work (store in the works fridge ha ha). That's because the off sales aren't permitted before 10.30. So all the retired and the ladies and men of leisure can grab the stuff, but the wurkers can't.

I suppose you could get it on the way home, but that's not the point!

Nodin · 16-01-2016 02:03PM

One More Toy wrote: »

What a load of bollóx

Ten minutes too late for the off licence to get a few tins to sit down with.

Fúckers in the dáil protecting their publican friends

Are you doubting the wisdom of our sage leaders?

Taylor365 · 16-01-2016 02:13PM

Fly to London and pick up a few tins.

Be back in time for kippers!

16-01-2016 02:38PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

If it was a banana or a head of lettuce you'd have to wait until the shop opened, but if it's a bottles of cheap suds lets throw our toys out of the pram and cry like big babies.

What a stupid comparison. If it was a banana or lettuce, they can simply find a substitute food to eat. What substitute is there for alcohol, weed, ecstasy?

Closing times discriminate against people who work nights and some people just simply forget to buy drink because they're busy.

The Backwards Man · 16-01-2016 02:49PM

511 wrote: »

What a stupid comparison. If it was a banana or lettuce, they can simply find a substitute food to eat. What substitute is there for alcohol, weed, ecstasy?

Closing times discriminate against people who work nights and some people just simply forget to buy drink because they're busy.

Yeah, you're right, alcohol is much more important than food.

I love the old shift work analogy too, it makes me smile. Take London for example, how many 24 hour pubs are there in that city of ten million people? Eight? Ten? Something like that anyway. If you can find me one shift worker in any of those that are open at 3am any morning in the next week I will give you Stg£1000. Queen's head.

16-01-2016 03:08PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yeah, you're right, alcohol is much more important than food.

No-one presented this strawman argument. Food and alcohol are not comparable, so why are you comparing them? You're the one who brought food into this debate.

I love the old shift work analogy too, it makes me smile. Take London for example, how many 24 hour pubs are there in that city of ten million people? Eight? Ten? Something like that anyway. If you can find me one shift worker in any of those that are open at 3am any morning in the next week I will give you Stg£1000. Queen's head.

In case you have forgotten, we are talking about 24 OFF-LICENSES. These are legal in the UK. Why is it so wrong for someone to buy alcohol after a night shift?

Your thoughts on this subject are so incoherent, I'm struggling to understand where your coming from. Could you at least offer a logical reason why we should keep our current closing times?

c montgomery · 16-01-2016 03:18PM

511 wrote: »

What a stupid comparison. If it was a banana or lettuce, they can simply find a substitute food to eat. What substitute is there for alcohol, weed, ecstasy?

Closing times discriminate against people who work nights and some people just simply forget to buy drink because they're busy.

Yawn

How does it discriminate against people who work nights? Off licences are closed at night when people work nights!!
If anything it's easier for people who work nights to nip to the offie during the day.

Just buy a few bottles/cans and keep them in the house for when you want them.
Poor planning on your part does not constitute discrimination

The Backwards Man · 16-01-2016 03:23PM

511 wrote: »

No-one presented this strawman argument. Food and alcohol are not comparable, so why are you comparing them? You're the one who brought food into this debate.

In case you have forgotten, we are talking about 24 OFF-LICENSES. These are legal in the UK. Why is it so wrong for someone to buy alcohol after a night shift?

Your thoughts on this subject are so incoherent, I'm struggling to understand where your coming from. Could you at least offer a logical reason why we should keep our current closing times?

Why is it so wrong to buy your alcohol at a time when the off licenses are open? If alcohol has that much control over your life that you can't treat its purchase the same as you could a bit of good butcher meat foe the dinner, a trip to the cinema or a haircut, then I don't think it's meant for you.

You say why do they have to close, I say why do they have to stay open?

16-01-2016 03:34PM

c montgomery wrote: »

Yawn

How does it discriminate against people who work nights? Off licences are closed at night when people work nights!!

Oh, yeah, because everyone finishes at the exact same time during night shifts. Every single occupation on the country.

When I was in the Mater Hospital, the nurses finished at 8 in the morning.
Security guards finish around the same. Neither of these can a drink because of this law.

If anything it's easier for people who work nights to nip to the offie during the day.

No, it's much easier to walk into a 24 hour off-license whenever it suits you, instead of following a schedule based around a law to protect publicans.

Just buy a few bottles/cans and keep them in the house for when you want them.

What if you forget? People do forget these things due to a hectic schedule.

Poor planning on your part does not constitute discrimination

They shouldn't have to plan to begin with. This law was brought in to protect the dying pub trade.

It is discrimination. The current off-license times discriminate against people who are busy during those hours. The ban on selling alcohol on holy days discriminates people of other faiths and non-faiths.

Badly Drunk Boy · 16-01-2016 03:35PM

Strumms wrote: »

Its a bit of a pisser i was in a Spar before Christmas that opens until 11pm. got there at about 9.50 i was just buying groceries when i got to the till the guy in front of me had 8 cans and his mate the same.. they had been there before me also buying other stuff and carrying the beer in the trolly... your man on the till wouldnt let them buy the beer as the till was reading 10.01pm .

I know in the likes of Tesco, alcoholic products are programmed not to scan at the till after 10pm, so that might also be the case for Spar.

The 10pm rule is ridiculous but it's not as if people don't know about it. Plan.

c montgomery · 16-01-2016 03:42PM

511 wrote: »

Oh, yeah, because everyone finishes at the exact same time during night shifts. Every single occupation on the country.

When I was in the Mater Hospital, the nurses finished at 8 in the morning.
Security guards finish around the same. Neither of these can a drink because of this law.

No, it's much easier to walk into a 24 hour off-license whenever it suits you, instead of following a schedule based around a law to protect publicans.

What if you forget? People do forget these things due to a hectic schedule.

They shouldn't have to plan to begin with. This law was brought in to protect the dying pub trade.

It is discrimination. The current off-license times discriminate against people who are busy during those hours. The ban on selling alcohol on holy days discriminates people of other faiths and non-faiths.

Most people working night shifts would go to bed after work and get up later in the day. They could then go buy alcohol if they wanted. No matter what shift pattern you work you will have the opportunity to but alcohol at some stage.

Even if off licences were allowed to operate 24 hours I bet most wouldn't as demand would not be there to justify the costs of staying open.

Just get over it and buy some to have in the house for "emergency" situations.

You couldn't be that busy anyway if your on boards

16-01-2016 03:52PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Why is it so wrong to buy your alcohol at a time when the off licenses are open?

Eh, maybe they are busy? Didn't we already go over this?

Furthermore, can you imagine buying a 12 cans of Heineken during your lunch break at a large company, bringing that into work in front of all of your colleagues? What planet do you live on? Such stupid arguments you're coming out with.

If alcohol has that much control over your life that you can't treat its purchase the same as you could a bit of good butcher meat foe the dinner, a trip to the cinema or a haircut, then I don't think it's meant for you.

First of all, I don't drink. Gave up alcohol nearly 5 years ago. You love your strawman arguments, don't you? Logic isn't your forte here, clearly.

Secondly, I cut my own hair but waiting until to next day for a haircut won't kill me. Hair grows very slowly, in case you haven't noticed

Thirdly, if you can't get butcher meat because the butchers, there's always the packages stuff in 24 hour shops. I mightn't be as good, but at least it's an alternative.

Is there an alternative to alcohol? No, so why do you keep making these idiotic analogies? You continue to compare chalk and cheese.

You say why do they have to close, I say why do they have to stay open?

Because there's obviously demand for 24 off-licenses. Duh!

Herb Powell · 16-01-2016 03:56PM

The law is bolloccks, and the people making smug references to alcoholism are missing the point completely.

The Backwards Man · 16-01-2016 03:59PM

Herb Powell wrote: »

The law is bolloccks, and the people making smug references to alcoholism are missing the point completely.

There's plenty more drink related problems besides alcoholism. The inability to forward plan seems to be a major one for a lot of folk.:pac:

TerrorFirmer · 16-01-2016 04:02PM

The argument that paints people who would like to be able to purchase alcohol after 10pm as the sort who have issues with alcohol or controlling their own lives is pretty bizarre.

It is stupid that the law is 10pm - I don't think anyone is exactly calling for the introduction of 24 hour booze mega-marts, but a closing time of even 11pm is far more reasonable and would solve the vast majority of complaints.

I've never been caught by it, really, but there are countless scenarios where it is a massive inconvenience.

Maybe you're working late - or maybe you've been delayed longer than expected or held up with something. Maybe you've been invited to a session or a party at the last minute and don't have anything to drink. Maybe you've forgotten to pick up a bottle of something on your way somewhere.

I'm sure the thinking centered around encouraging people into pubs.

16-01-2016 04:07PM

c montgomery wrote: »

Most people working night shifts would go to bed after work and get up later in the day. They could then go buy alcohol if they wanted.

How would you know? Have you surveyed 1000 night shift workers to rule out the margin of error? No doubt this is completely anecdotal data you just made up.

What if they want to have a drink before they go to bed? No point drinking during the day if they have to work later again.

No matter what shift pattern you work you will have the opportunity to but alcohol at some stage.

Except nurses who work for 8 p.m. to 8 a.m. How would they look bringing alcohol into a hospital? Imagine walking into a hospital with a bag of cans at 8 p.m., storing them in a cupboard somewhere and the cans being at room temperature by the time they get home? It's just so much easier to visit a off-license when you finish work.

Even if off licences were allowed to operate 24 hours I bet most wouldn't as demand would not be there to justify the costs of staying open.

In the city, they have no problem, but no-one if forcing them to stay open 24, they should have to freedom to close whenever they want, which would reduce to costs.

Just get over it and buy some to have in the house for "emergency" situations.

Why don't you get over the fact that there's nothing wrong with 24 off-licenses

You couldn't be that busy anyway if your on boards

I don't drink and I don't work night shifts, I just despise the government trying to control every inch of our lives, especially when to ulterior motive here is the protect a dying pub trade.

Off licences and draconian closing times

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