Flightradar24 Thread Part II

JCX BXC · 12-01-2016 10:27PM

Even SNN/ORK flights follow that pattern. From cork, most flights go via southern wales, except for MAN/LPL, which upon takeoff head north, over north wales before turning south for Cork. For SNN its more of a split, for EG I've seen the Berlin flight take off, head up to the north of wales and come back via the south of wales.

EchoIndia · 12-01-2016 10:51PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I haven't seen it quite that low before, interesting.

In aviation terms, "low" refers to height above the ground. I take it you mean "south".

JCX BXC · 13-01-2016 12:48AM

The rare RWY34 in use at Dublin ATM.

Gaoth Laidir · 13-01-2016 01:10AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

The rare RWY34 in use at Dublin ATM.

And for the next few nights, 2300-0400. R16 unlikely if the N wind keeps up.

A0045/16 NOTAMN
Q) EISN/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5325N00616W005
A) EIDW 1601122300 C) 1601160400
D) DAILY 2300-0400
E) RWY 10/28 CLOSED
CREATED: 12 Jan 2016 15:24:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

JCX BXC · 13-01-2016 01:12AM

Usually its RWY16, with the rare westerly/northwesterly winds though 34 is a treat. Especially to all the lovely people under the approach!

Looks like south westerly winds may resume soon though.

Pat Dunne · 13-01-2016 01:22AM

Someone is out doing a few circuits tonight.

EchoIndia · 13-01-2016 08:55AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

.... 34 is a treat. Especially to all the lovely people under the approach!

Most of us hardly pay it any attention, I'd say!

lambayire · 13-01-2016 09:02AM

EchoIndia wrote: »

Most of us hardly pay it any attention, I'd say!

Except for yer man on the southside who goes apoplectic when 34 is in occasional operation during the night.

Irish Steve · 13-01-2016 10:37AM

With reference to the routes to Dublin from the South East of the UK, the active runway direction in the London area tends to determine which route around the Military ranges in Wales is used for the Irish Flights, and it's related to avoiding conflicts with the climbing or descending trans atlantic traffic from (especially) Heathrow. So, Easterly departures from London, and they'll route via Birmingham and Liverpool to Dublin etc, Westerly departures and the route is via Brecon and Strumble. With Westerly departures and the ranges closed, the route direct to Dublin from about Swindon is often used, and can save quite a few minutes time wise.

Exceptionally, if the arrivals into Heathrow is quiet, (like late evening) and they are on Easterly departures, I've known an early right turn out back onto the "westerly" route for the direct route to Dublin, but that requires there to be very little traffic in the sector from Brecon to London for it to work.

Gaoth Laidir · 13-01-2016 02:38PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

With reference to the routes to Dublin from the South East of the UK, the active runway direction in the London area tends to determine which route around the Military ranges in Wales is used for the Irish Flights, and it's related to avoiding conflicts with the climbing or descending trans atlantic traffic from (especially) Heathrow. So, Easterly departures from London, and they'll route via Birmingham and Liverpool to Dublin etc, Westerly departures and the route is via Brecon and Strumble. With Westerly departures and the ranges closed, the route direct to Dublin from about Swindon is often used, and can save quite a few minutes time wise.

Exceptionally, if the arrivals into Heathrow is quiet, (like late evening) and they are on Easterly departures, I've known an early right turn out back onto the "westerly" route for the direct route to Dublin, but that requires there to be very little traffic in the sector from Brecon to London for it to work.

Thanks for that, it all makes sense now!

EchoIndia · 14-01-2016 01:04AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

With reference to the routes to Dublin from the South East of the UK, the active runway direction in the London area tends to determine which route around the Military ranges in Wales is used for the Irish Flights, and it's related to avoiding conflicts with the climbing or descending trans atlantic traffic from (especially) Heathrow. So, Easterly departures from London, and they'll route via Birmingham and Liverpool to Dublin etc, Westerly departures and the route is via Brecon and Strumble. With Westerly departures and the ranges closed, the route direct to Dublin from about Swindon is often used, and can save quite a few minutes time wise.

Exceptionally, if the arrivals into Heathrow is quiet, (like late evening) and they are on Easterly departures, I've known an early right turn out back onto the "westerly" route for the direct route to Dublin, but that requires there to be very little traffic in the sector from Brecon to London for it to work.

How sure are you that this is current practice? Any time I have been at LHR, runway 09R departures to Ireland and a lot of transatlantic departures make a sharp right turn onto an initial heading of 240 or so and I didn't think that from such a departure they then proceeded northwards towards Wallasey for Dublin. More likely they would head towards Compton and Brecon, either proceeding all the way to Strumble before turning for Dublin, or taking the short-cut to LIPGO if the mid-Wales route is available.

Irish Steve · 14-01-2016 02:29AM

EchoIndia wrote: »

How sure are you that this is current practice? Any time I have been at LHR, runway 09R departures to Ireland and a lot of transatlantic departures make a sharp right turn onto an initial heading of 240 or so and I didn't think that from such a departure they then proceeded northwards towards Wallasey for Dublin. More likely they would head towards Compton and Brecon, either proceeding all the way to Strumble before turning for Dublin, or taking the short-cut to LIPGO if the mid-Wales route is available.

It's possible that this is now happening more than it used to, which may be partly down to changes in the types that are serving the routes, it's a while since I was in and out of Heathrow on a regular basis, at that time, a 09R early turn tended to only happen on the late evening flights. There are a lot more twin engine aircraft on the Atlantic than was the case, and they have a much better climb performance that the older generation of 4 engine aircraft used to have, and that performance is used by the operators when circumstances permit, it wasn't that long ago that I can remember a Biz jet being "pushed" all the way up to FL250 by a 777 that had departed Orly at near enough the same time as we'd taken off from Le Bourget, and he for sure was heavy, given that he was on a trans atlantic route, that sort of situation would have been very rare with the large 4 engine aircraft that used to be the mainstay of long haul.

Having said that, it could well be the case that they've had to change some of the procedures and routes out of Heathrow as a result of a significant increase in the number of days that the 09 runways are in use, I can't remember a time when 10 at Dublin was as heavily used as it has been over the last while. It used to be the case that 10 might be used for the odd day every few weeks, but we've seen 10 being used for many days at a time over the last months, that is unusual,

Another factor in the changes may well be that there is a lot more traffic in and out of Stansted than used to be the case when I was travelling regularly to Heathrow, and that will have had an impact on the routings available for LATCC to use.

14-01-2016 10:58AM

Runway 10 usage

2014~33%

2015~24.9%

Source DAA

Total movements in 2015 197,800 +9.7%

TheFitz13 · 14-01-2016 05:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Runway 10 usage

2014~33%

2015~24.9%

Source DAA

Total movements in 2015 197,800 +9.7%

Are passenger numbers out?

billie1b · 14-01-2016 07:04PM

Snowing in Dublin 15, around 13km as the crow flies to Dublin Airport

JCX BXC · 14-01-2016 07:09PM

Dublin reporting light showers rain snow (sleet) and 0c at 18:00.

14-01-2016 08:47PM

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Are passenger numbers out?

No, should be soon with their annual accounts.

Pat Dunne · 14-01-2016 09:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Runway 10 usage

2014~33%

2015~24.9%

Source DAA

Total movements in 2015 197,800 +9.7%

Can you post a link for those figures?

14-01-2016 10:49PM

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Can you post a link for those figures?

Nope.

14-01-2016 11:02PM

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Can you post a link for those figures?

IAA has their "Commercial" figures up now

https://www.iaa.ie/who-we-are/flight-statistics/monthly-review

191,233 +10%

Pat Dunne · 15-01-2016 12:06AM

Some interesting figures alright.
The DUB Commercial Movements 5 year graph showing 2008 still out performing 2015 in 8 out of the twelve months. 2015 just shades the figures in June July October & November. It is also interesting to note that there is noticeable drop in the December comparison. https://www.iaa.ie/who-we-are/flight-statistics/5-year-flight-statistics

However, I still reckon that 2015 will come out on top in regard of actual PAX figures, based on my understading that there are now more high capacity aircraft using DUB.

JCX BXC · 15-01-2016 10:19AM

FR805 holding at Knock.

January · 15-01-2016 11:46AM

American Airlines aa45 Paris to new York returning to Paris squawking 7700.

jimbis · 15-01-2016 02:06PM

Choo choooo all aboard the Dublin train.

lolie · 15-01-2016 02:51PM

Dublin to donegal heading back.
Weather related?

JCX BXC · 15-01-2016 05:10PM

lolie wrote: »

Dublin to donegal heading back.
Weather related?

Maybe its an Error, at 13:30 the weather at EIDL was 320 degree wind @18kts, CAVOK and a temp of 7c!

BZ · 15-01-2016 06:06PM

Air Busan A320 HL8055 heading north from SNN starting it's long delivery flight to Korea.

15-01-2016 06:50PM

lolie wrote: »

Dublin to donegal heading back.
Weather related?

Medical emergency

de biz · 15-01-2016 07:07PM

VP-BLK out of Riyadh and Athens heading home tracking northwest near Iceland.

JCX BXC · 15-01-2016 11:49PM

BA634 left Heathrow for Athens, it was almost half way to Athens, over 1 hr 15mins into its journey flying just on the German Swiss border when it turned around and flew ALL the way back to Heathrow. Bit extreme no?

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