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Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-01-2016 12:57PM

whelan2 wrote: »

is that your second clear test?

Yeah, I should be good to go the week after next depending on how long it takes the Dept to shuffle the papers around:)

whelan2 · 15-01-2016 12:57PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Yeah, I should be good to go the week after next depending on how long it takes the Dept to shuffle the papers around:)

Great news

mahoney_j · 15-01-2016 01:12PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Does anyone on here put the bull the heifer calf is by on there tag when they tag them?
Going to start doing it this yr here

No need it's on icbf ,I'd like to see it on blue card though .an extra tag for little reason

Greengrass1 · 15-01-2016 01:23PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

No need it's on icbf ,I'd like to see it on blue card though .an extra tag for little reason

Write it on where the herd no is on the tag. You only need to see the check digit.
Seen it done on a few farms. Handy way of getting to know what bulls your cows are by etc

pedigree 6 · 15-01-2016 01:28PM

First calf of the year here, a live freisian heifer calf.
There was someone on here thinking that stock bulls get more heifers than ai.
For me it was going the other way the stock bull was getting more bulls than heifers. The cows are calving to a different bull this year so hopefully i'll have more heifers this year. I'm buzzing.:D

whelan2 · 15-01-2016 01:46PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

First calf of the year here, a live freisian heifer calf.
There was someone on here thinking that stock bulls get more heifers than ai.
For me it was going the other way the stock bull was getting more bulls than heifers. The cows are calving to a different bull this year so hopefully i'll have more heifers this year. I'm buzzing.:D

Was just watching calf that was born yesterday tearing around the shed with its tail up. great to watch

Dawggone · 15-01-2016 02:12PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I know it's easy to generalise. Not every farmer wanted quotas to go and not every farmer is going to apply for the investment grants. It's true that the government is apparently trying to get more farmers into dairying and I have a sneaky suspicion that's what they're at with tillage farmers trying to get that land into dairying. The big winners out of this will be glanbia, Kerry and ornua. I think the government is doing this as they favour big business competing on world markets and you could link in the meat factories into this competing abroad as well. They are looking at the jobs they are creating and bringing foreign money into the country. I'd say they probably did a study sometime to see how could agribusiness bring in more money into the
country and with quotas going they went with it. If there's winners and losers in this situation with quotas gone and huge uncertainty out there now with the processors margin staying the same or increasing now, i'd rather be Siobhan Talbot or larry goodman than a dairy farmer atm.

Ah sure that's fine so...put tillage farmers out of business...

Edit. FFS!

keep going · 15-01-2016 02:20PM

billie holiday wrote: »

Anyone see that article in last weeks farming indo about cost cutting ??
I generally disagreed with most of it (stop vaccinATing stop milk recording etc)

Ivebeen thinking about this since and one thing that struck me is not use contractors as much this year diesel is cheap for the year thats in it youre turning a contrqcting bill into a much smaller diesel bill.i know fellas will say about replacement costs wear and tear, etcbut let that be next years problem whe you might have more money.if you worried about labor , get up an hour earlier everyday(-:

pedigree 6 · 15-01-2016 02:25PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Ah sure that's fine so...put tillage farmers out of business...

Ah dawg i'm getting my dinner here. I don't want to put any one out of business. All I can do is mind my own few acres and do the best I can for myself. In an ideal world everybody would be treated equally and everyone would get the same. But maybe that's communisim. If you feel so passionate about it maybe you should write a letter yourself to the journal or minister or get the family in this country to do it. Sorry i'm not more help to you.:(

Dawggone · 15-01-2016 02:37PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Ah dawg i'm getting my dinner here. I don't want to put any one out of business. All I can do is mind my own few acres and do the best I can for myself. In an ideal world everybody would be treated equally and everyone would get the same. But maybe that's communisim. If you feel so passionate about it maybe you should write a letter yourself to the journal or minister or get the family in this country to do it. Sorry i'm not more help to you.:(

Bon appétit.

The difference between capitalism and communism is ownership of private property...it has nothing to do with markets because all markets are skewed.

The sense of entitlement of dairy farmers is staggering. So we can take it that it is right that dairying (supposedly the most profitable sector) gets money thrown at it at the expense of tillage?

"Because I'm worth it"....

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-01-2016 02:51PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Bon appétit.

The difference between capitalism and communism is ownership of private property...it has nothing to do with markets because all markets are skewed.

The sense of entitlement of dairy farmers is staggering. So we can take it that it is right that dairying (supposedly the most profitable sector) gets money thrown at it at the expense of tillage?

"Because I'm worth it"....

That's unfair, Dawg. Dairy farming has a hugely bigger downstream value added benefit to the economy as a whole than tillage farming.

In general, tillage is sent to storage, dried and carried to the ports or feed mills. Milk is collected, carried to processors (where a huge number of people work), stored and carried to ports or food processors.

Then there are the added support industries like vets, Bord Bia, advisory etc etc.

Tbh, dairying has a hugely bigger economic footprint than tillage so I think it would be difficult to fault the governments targeting dairy as a potential growth sector rather than tillage, imo.

Cow Porter · 15-01-2016 02:56PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Does anyone on here put the bull the heifer calf is by on there tag when they tag them?
Going to start doing it this yr here

we write it on the back of each tag, obviously has to be in the crush to see it, wouldnt be fond of covering herd id. doing it long before the cloud and icbf doing it now out of habit i suppose

blue5000 · 15-01-2016 03:26PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Does anyone on here put the bull the heifer calf is by on there tag when they tag them?
Going to start doing it this yr here

Yes, used to do it when I was milking, allflex I think have a permanent marker for writing on tags.

All stock bulls here now, so I just notch heifer calves' tags in a certain position for each bull. I use the old calf subsidy tagger for this, just cut a semi-circle at the edge of the tag.

freedominacup · 15-01-2016 03:27PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Ah sure that's fine so...put tillage farmers out of business...

Edit. FFS!

I think there's plenty of scope for a symbiotic relationship between tillage and dairy farmers in traditional tillage areas. Plenty of this sort of activity around here with the few full time tillage farmers there are.

Timmaay · 15-01-2016 03:41PM

freedominacup wrote: »

I think there's plenty of scope for a symbiotic relationship between tillage and dairy farmers in traditional tillage areas. Plenty of this sort of activity around here with the few full time tillage farmers there are.

Agreed, as the SR increases here I'll happily buy in more local forage like whole crop etc and export slurry to them.

Mehaffey1 · 15-01-2016 04:00PM

keep going wrote: »

Oh f##k, irrigationOr did ye get rain

He's irrigating his max allowance through pivot and rotarainer.

Went down last night to see if I could spot anything to help but he's got no grass at all.

Av cover 299 available and growing 42Kgdm per ha with demand at 75kg or so. He's feeding 8kg per day of supplement but even at that his grass won't be making any headway.

Think he better call it and go 16hr milking next week if the grass wedge doesn't improve...which it won't.

Crazy since up here in dryland country I'm pushing for 12ha of silage to be taken out on platform since we have Av cover of over 800 available still staying to get down to a 25 day round and can't do it and that's feeding grass only.

Just shows you irrigation, scale, diet feeders and fancy sheds don't mean much if you're not solid on grass management at this scale

Dawggone · 15-01-2016 05:02PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

That's unfair, Dawg. Dairy farming has a hugely bigger downstream value added benefit to the economy as a whole than tillage farming.

In general, tillage is sent to storage, dried and carried to the ports or feed mills. Milk is collected, carried to processors (where a huge number of people work), stored and carried to ports or food processors.

Then there are the added support industries like vets, Bord Bia, advisory etc etc.

Tbh, dairying has a hugely bigger economic footprint than tillage so I think it would be difficult to fault the governments targeting dairy as a potential growth sector rather than tillage, imo.

Thanks Sherif. That explains it perfectly.

Apologies for being thick....

So my lesson today is Dairy = good
Tillage = bad.

I'll keep revising....

Again. FFS.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-01-2016 05:07PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Thanks Sherif. That explains it perfectly.

Apologies for being thick....

So my lesson today is Dairy = good
Tillage = bad.

I'll keep revising....

Again. FFS.

Like any business, the decision is based on return on investment.

Dairy has a higher return on investment.

yosemitesam1 · 15-01-2016 05:09PM

@dawgone, They have the protein payment and apart from possibly building grain/slurry stores how can they be supported?

Dawggone · 15-01-2016 05:14PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Like any business, the decision is based on return on investment.

Dairy has a higher return on investment.

Fairy = good
Spillage = bad
??

I'm still trying to get that into my thick brain.
Lol.

kowtow · 15-01-2016 05:17PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

Like any business, the decision is based on return on investment.

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

Dairy has a higher return on investment.

And in an unconstrained market, the average milk price will fall until it doesn't.

Dawggone · 15-01-2016 05:20PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

@dawgone, They have the protein payment and apart from possibly building grain/slurry stores how can they be supported?

Protein payment is from Bruxelles.

Sure what would a tillage farmer want...
Sheds, dryers, weighbridge etc just like dairy...

This has an Orwellian slant..."Two legs good, four legs bad". What's the chance that George Orwell was a dairy farmer?

alps · 15-01-2016 05:24PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Protein payment is from Bruxelles.

Sure what would a tillage farmer want...
Sheds, dryers, weighbridge etc just like dairy...

This has an Orwellian slant..."Two legs good, four legs bad". What's the chance that George Orwell was a dairy farmer?

All animals are equal Dawg, it's just that some are more equal than others....

Dawggone · 15-01-2016 07:03PM

freedominacup wrote: »

I think there's plenty of scope for a symbiotic relationship between tillage and dairy farmers in traditional tillage areas. Plenty of this sort of activity around here with the few full time tillage farmers there are.

I'm discussing grants for sheds,milking parlours etc.

Dairy gets a 60% grant and tillage gets the square root of jack.

I've done plenty of business with dairy farmers in Ireland over the years. Family do plenty of business with the farming community....I certainly don't miss it.

Dawggone · 15-01-2016 07:07PM

alps wrote: »

All animals are equal Dawg, it's just that some are more equal than others....

There can be no liberty without equality.

Dawggone · 15-01-2016 07:10PM

kowtow wrote: »

And in an unconstrained market, the average milk price will fall until it doesn't.

Arbitrage.

Uncle of mine was saying recently that there will be no difference between farming sectors. Sooner than later would be nice...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-01-2016 07:17PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Fairy = good
Spillage = bad
??

I'm still trying to get that into my thick brain.
Lol.

You've lost me there, Dawg

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-01-2016 07:18PM

kowtow wrote: »

And in an unconstrained market, the average milk price will fall until it doesn't.

And isn't that whats happening atm, kowtow?

kowtow · 15-01-2016 07:21PM

Dawggone wrote:

Arbitrage.

Dawggone wrote:

.... there will be no difference between farming sectors. Sooner than later would be nice...

Quite. The free lunch is always the first to be eaten.

When we talk about dairy of course the nature of the labour element adds complexity. If you capitalise the cost of full time labour I'd suggest that Irish dairy farming might actually have the lowest return of all the sectors already.

Family labour hides a multitude of sins.

kowtow · 15-01-2016 07:24PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

And isn't that whats happening atm, kowtow?

Yup, in part it must be.

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