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3-year-old boy raped at asylum centre in Norway- Mod warnings posts 338&356

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  • #32
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The point I'm making is that there's problems within every facet of society, before people leap on the Kick All Refugees Out bandwagon, which we all know will happen.

    True, but why willingly import problems from other societies? For example, the Cologne attacks were described as a "a completely new dimension of crime" by German authorities.

    "Completely new" to Europe, but not in societies such as Pakistan or Egypt, and almost certainly a consequence to the overwhelming numbers of arrivals that are single men. At the very least, why not be smarter about who you are legally allowing to enter your society, such as Canada's policy only accepting families from Syria?


  • #33
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    seamus wrote: »
    It's mostly scaremongering. There aren't violent refugees flooding the streets across Europe.

    Over 500 women in Cologne say otherwise. Not to mention all the other women assaulted in other cities on NYE
    Palbear wrote: »
    WTF ?

    It is generally accepted that Mohammed married Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9. He was 53


  • #34
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Judging by your logic, If I was french, I wouldnt want any Irish people in. Way too rapey.

    Perhaps they'd give us a pass on account of the fact that we're addressing the issue rather then institutionalizing it?


  • #35
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    It's very refreshing to see so many right wingers suddenly showing so much interest in the freedoms of children and women. :)


  • #36
    MonkeyTennis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    Well they should ban us until we sort it out.. right?


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  • #37
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    It's very refreshing to see so many right wingers suddenly showing so much interest in the freedoms of children and women. :)

    ??

    I'm absolutely pro choice always have been.


  • #38
    Sapphire3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Sapphire3


    I am all for helping people from war torn countries but after reading about what happened to the women in Germany on NYE, and now this. Enough is Enough, this makes me thoroughly sick! A 3 year old child FFS! There should be a zero tolerance policy for refugees who are child rapists...deport the f&ckin' paedos.


  • #39
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    It's very refreshing to see so many right wingers suddenly showing so much interest in the freedoms of children and women. :)


    What a strange post


  • #40
    Sapphire3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Sapphire3


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    What a strange post


    Very strange indeed!


  • #41
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Over 500 women in Cologne say otherwise. Not to mention all the other women assaulted in other cities on NYE
    A bizarre series of assaults of an unclear nature and by unknown perpetrators in a single city on a single night does not mean Europe is flooded with violent refugees.

    "Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the immigrants refugees".

    Seems that whenever anything bad happens these days, everyone is eager to find ways to blame it on refugees.


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  • #42
    Palbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Palbear


    Sapphire3 wrote: »
    Very strange indeed!

    Are right wingers the ones with the skinheads?


  • #43
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    seamus wrote: »
    Seems that whenever anything bad happens these days, everyone is eager to find ways to blame it on refugees.

    examples?


  • #44
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    seamus wrote: »
    A bizarre series of assaults of an unclear nature and by unknown perpetrators in a single city on a single night does not mean Europe is flooded with violent refugees.

    "Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the immigrants refugees".

    Seems that whenever anything bad happens these days, everyone is eager to find ways to blame it on refugees.

    Feel free to ignore the eye-witness reports and the descriptions of the attackers given by victims, if you feel it's politically convenient.


  • #45
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    examples?
    This thread is full of bad news reports, hearsay and rumours that blame lots of things on refugees: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057502025
    Feel free to ignore the eye-witness reports and the descriptions of the attackers given by victims, if you feel it's politically convenient.
    Not ignoring anything. Just stating the facts. I don't doubt the veracity of the eye-witness reports, just the spin that's been put on them.


  • #46
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    seamus wrote: »
    This thread is full of bad news reports, hearsay and rumours that blame lots of things on refugees

    Again.... Examples please seamus!


  • #47
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Feel free to ignore the eye-witness reports and the descriptions of the attackers given by victims, if you feel it's politically convenient.

    Just like you've ignored the hundreds of stories of gangrape and sexual assault and paedophilia that are reported on throughout Europe every day to concentrate on one or two that are 'politically convenient'

    You shouldn't start threads like this thinking people are unaware of your reasons for doing so.


  • #48
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Again.... Examples please seamus!
    Flick through the thread. This is AH, I'm entitled to make inflammatory hyperbolic statements without having to provide scientific citations. :)


  • #49
    Palbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Palbear


    what reason would that be? I'm curious.


  • #50
    thattequilagirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭thattequilagirl


    conorhal wrote: »
    And there's whataboutery in every anemic excuse that the left has to offer...

    Tell me when however that sex with a minor was a cultural norm outside the middle ages?
    .

    It's not a cultural norm in the Middle East to have sex with minors. That's just not true.

    This is a horrific crime, and whoever did it should feel the full force of the law, but to write off a religion of more than a billion people or a region of hundreds of millions based on it is disingenuous.


  • #51
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    That poor 3 year old has now been culturally enriched

    Anyone who complains is a racist

    Mod: Banned


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  • #52
    LeeLooLee
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 422 ✭✭LeeLooLee


    strelok wrote: »
    yeah, so it's just about completely irrelevant to this story. just thrown in to make it seem like she got all relativistic about toddler rape.

    But it's OK to make that comment about Europeans having to adapt to cultural norms which involve treating women like pieces of meat?

    Why is it that when Westerners go to Arab countries, we're expected to fit in and live by their rules yet when it's the other way around, we have to bend over backwards to accommodate them? If I'm caught drinking alcohol in certain countries and not harming anyone, I can be thrown into jail, but sexually assaulting a woman in a country which has taken you in and given you refuge results in a 'well, they didn't know any better' attitude?


  • #53
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    It's not a cultural norm in the Middle East to have sex with minors. That's just not true.

    Yes it is

    Read up about a country like Yemen or Saudi Arabia

    The less people know about the world the more lightly they are to in favour of the present madness going on in Europe


  • #54
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Actually, just four English language sources on Google News when I wrote the OP: The Local, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Independent. I haven't heard of 'latestnews', nor did it show up on Google News. Also, another of your links was a blog and the rest are Norwegian.

    My point is that since The Local.no broke the story in English 17 hours ago, less than a handful of English-language sources have picked it up. Hence 'buried'. I think considering asylum seekers/refugees in Europe was a huge hot button issue last week following the Cologne attacks, this would merit greater coverage.

    Again I have to ask, is it normal for English media to report child abuse in Norway or do you think it should have been done simply because it may have been a refugee who committed the crime?


  • #55
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    seamus wrote: »
    I'm entitled to make inflammatory hyperbolic statements without having to provide scientific citations. :)

    I suppose you are....

    It's just to the casual reader, you appear to use unvouched conjecture as a means to subtly condone child rape.

    So.... for your own sake, if you make a statement, do the honourable thing and back it up.
    You wouldn't want people to take you up the wrong way would you?


  • #56
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    It's not a cultural norm in the Middle East to have sex with minors. That's just not true.

    This is a horrific crime, and whoever did it should feel the full force of the law, but to write off a religion of more than a billion people or a region of hundreds of millions based on it is disingenuous.

    Tell that to the child brides.


  • #57
    Neyite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,946 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    There will always be evil people who take advantage of chaotic events to benefit themselves - and this is what this is. A rapist took the opportunity in an overcrowded and chaotic environment to rape. Its not about culture or about religion or a revolt against a more permissive society, though people might argue that it is. But no religious leader could explain away or excuse this. This is a rape of a child, barely out of babyhood. It's about evil. Lets call it what it is.

    We see looters during storms, floods, hurricanes and other big disasters take advantage of the event to steal things from others. Look at the London riots a few years ago. Look at the robberies happening down the country in houses abandoned due to flooding. Where there is chaos and disaster, it attracts those who want to help, but also attracts those who want to help themselves. The refugee crisis is the same in that regard.

    I don't know why its so difficult to understand. If you want to come and avail of the benefits of my country - the social supports, the good education for your kids, good jobs for you and your wife and all of those things and become financially solvent in a stable economy because we are not at war, then grand, we'll accommodate you and be respectful of your beliefs provided they are compatible with our laws. But if my country's laws and way of life are offensive to your religious sensibilities, well, go somewhere else then. There are hundreds of countries to choose from after all. You cant have your cake and eat it.


  • #58
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    It's just to the casual reader, you appear to use unvouched conjecture as a means to subtly condone child rape.
    I'm not really interested in pandering to those who lack the intellectual gravitas to properly understand a statement.

    Of course, someone who blames the rape of a 3-year-old on "dem refugees" is clearly a mouth-breather.


  • #59
    LeeLooLee
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 422 ✭✭LeeLooLee


    seamus wrote: »
    I'm not really interested in pandering to those who lack the intellectual gravitas to properly understand a statement.

    Of course, someone who blames the rape of a 3-year-old on "dem refugees" is clearly a mouth-breather.

    Oh, I didn't realise it was a Norwegian national who is accused of the crime.


  • #60
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    LeeLooLee wrote: »
    Oh, I didn't realise it was a Norwegian national who is accused of the crime.
    So a single rape that occurred in a refugee camp is an indication of a problem with all refugees? Yes, it's an horrific crime. There's no doubt about that. But aside from some stupid comments from a stupid woman and the location of the rape, I see no reason why it should be classed as an immigration issue. It's not like no Norwegian has ever raped a child.

    This thread isn't even subtley veiled. If a single case in a refugee centre tells us that refugees need to be sent home, then surely we should be burning down churches and deporting all of the catholics right about now?


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  • #61
    BigJackC
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 333 ✭✭BigJackC


    seamus wrote: »
    A bizarre series of assaults of an unclear nature and by unknown perpetrators in a single city on a single night does not mean Europe is flooded with violent refugees.

    Not just one city. Also in Bielefield, Stockholm, Hamburg, Zürich, Salzburg, Helsinki during NYE festivities - and they are just the ones we know about.


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