Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

Corpus Twisty · 12-01-2016 08:31PM

Canadel wrote: »

Or they waited for the whole story to become clear and for the emergence of facts relating to the case before jumping to conclusions and delivering final judgements on the current EU immigration policy.

Cobblers.
Watch a few videos of how women are being treated across Europe by "The New Arrivals" and come back. Sickening is the only word.

Rezident · 12-01-2016 09:02PM

The Culture you are raised in has a massive influence over you, whether you like it or not. These men were raised over decades to treat women in this way. It's depressingly 'normal' in some countries, e.g. India etc.

It's going to take a massive shock to change them now - like the mobs of millions of people coming out into the streets in India to protest a women being raped and murdered. Our wishy-washy western appeasement clearly doesn't work at all, they must find us so weak and pathetic, no wonder they think it's only a matter of time before they rape and kill us all and take over. And what's our response? Try (and fail to) cover it up and then shake our heads at it. We need to take action.

mynamejeff · 12-01-2016 10:19PM

If stuff like this is real then we really are in line for a horrible time

http://www.hijra2ireland.com/

I would have my suspicions about the legitimacy of it tbh just from googling it.

The problem with this sort of debate is the amount of people willing to manipulate information for their own agenda

Hande hoche! · 12-01-2016 10:22PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

If stuff like this is real then we really are in line for a horrible time

http://www.hijra2ireland.com/

I would have my suspicions about the legitimacy of it tbh just from googling it.

The problem with this sort of debate is the amount of people willing to manipulate information for their own agenda

Someone earlier mentioned that it might originate from /pol/

ByfocalPhoto · 12-01-2016 11:40PM

I think it is time to wake up and smell what is being shoveled.
http://mywatchblog.net/?p=21
We should only accept thoroughly vetted refugees from actual warzones.
People from North Africa, Bangladesh and, heaven help us all, Indonesia should be put on a plane immediately.

There are processes for economic migrants entering Europe none of which include pitching up on Greek beaches,

Any messing from the ones we do except. eg Cologne new years eve, straight on a plane with their families, if their families are here which is unlikely.

I haven't read the whole thread - this may have already been referenced.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

We must only accept genuine cases whether or not they like their breakfast when they get here.

dissed doc · 12-01-2016 11:47PM

ByfocalPhoto wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread - this may have already been referenced.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

We must only accept genuine cases whether or not they like their breakfast when they get here.

Genuine asylum seekers - children from warzones for example - absolutely deserve asylum.

The army of military aged Islamic-culture men? I am not so sure. Even Peter SUtherland tweeted that men account for 58% of the asylum seekers. That is so far a rootless mobile army of 750,000+ men loose in Germany.

And regarding the culture of group sex assault, it is simply that there is no previous experience they have of seeing a woman in public. It is like a child in a sweet shop, they have no reference of how to behave. They are not raised in the west, the culture cannot be taught in a few classes. You need to come down hard on this crime, or not let them in in the first place. There is no situation where a woman is out unaccompanied and not wearing a face cover in their society. It cannot and does not happen. So, it is like dealing with savages who cannot (not will not, but CANnot) respond in any other way to women being in public. There is no "training" that can give someone the upbringing they need in western society, because we do not have a time machine. The children have certainly the chance.

My opinion: send teams out to the camps in Syria, pick the most vulnerable kids and women and within reason and limited numbers bring them here, for a specific length of time, with a view to ultimately repatriating them to Syrian foster families when the war is over.

German and Sweden and continental europe can keep their human garbage. We have nothing to offer them or their violent immigrants, but we can certainly help the vulnerable in Syria. Help the people or kids who need helping; we have limited resources so lets not waste it on the worthless.

_Kaiser_ · 13-01-2016 12:44AM

dissed doc wrote: »

Genuine asylum seekers - children from warzones for example - absolutely deserve asylum.

The army of military aged Islamic-culture men? I am not so sure. Even Peter SUtherland tweeted that men account for 58% of the asylum seekers. That is so far a rootless mobile army of 750,000+ men loose in Germany.

And regarding the culture of group sex assault, it is simply that there is no previous experience they have of seeing a woman in public. It is like a child in a sweet shop, they have no reference of how to behave. They are not raised in the west, the culture cannot be taught in a few classes. You need to come down hard on this crime, or not let them in in the first place. There is no situation where a woman is out unaccompanied and not wearing a face cover in their society. It cannot and does not happen. So, it is like dealing with savages who cannot (not will not, but CANnot) respond in any other way to women being in public. There is no "training" that can give someone the upbringing they need in western society, because we do not have a time machine. The children have certainly the chance.

My opinion: send teams out to the camps in Syria, pick the most vulnerable kids and women and within reason and limited numbers bring them here, for a specific length of time, with a view to ultimately repatriating them to Syrian foster families when the war is over.

German and Sweden and continental europe can keep their human garbage. We have nothing to offer them or their violent immigrants, but we can certainly help the vulnerable in Syria. Help the people or kids who need helping; we have limited resources so lets not waste it on the worthless.

I genuinely find it astonishing that you are attempting to explain away the assault and rape of innocent women as "they know no better" but we need to rescue the children and let Europe deal with the rest.

I am someone who is increasingly more strongly against the whole concept of the EU and what it means for the nations of Europe and their citizens through the systematic stripping of national sovereignty and the rights of people in their own country - but even I can see that a unified and determined hard response is needed to address this latest (and most dangerous) crisis the EU has landed us with.

Endless talk and liberal idealism of saving "the good ones" is exactly why parts of Europe are becoming like the warzones these people have come from. Our police and military forces need to start taking a similarly hard-line approach to rounding up and deporting these people before the current situation gets truly out of hand. Our "leaders" also need to be ready for the next wave that will be gathering on the shores of North Africa in only a few months so that we don't have another summer/autumn "free for all" that innocent women are paying for now.

And as for little old Ireland.. anyone who thinks that the same won't happen here if the likes of Frances Fitzgerald and the rest of the current Government have their way is deluded. This is now a national issue and one that people should be quizzing TDs on as they arrive on your doorstep in the coming weeks. You think places like Germany and Sweden have responded badly? Just wait till we're relying on the Gardai to deal with such attacks - a crowd that can't even effectively deal with junkies and dealers on our capital's streets!

If Europe doesn't act now to stop this, it'll be our children who will pay the heaviest price for it.

NotYourYear20 · 13-01-2016 01:52AM

Saipanne wrote: »

Lefties. This is what you wanted.

Ironically, it's also what Righties wanted.

nokia69 · 13-01-2016 02:07AM

NotYourYear20 wrote: »

Ironically, it's also what Righties wanted.

NO NO NO

From the start we said things like this would happen and were called racist

And we are still not listened to, and are still called names

The very last thing we want is the women/girls of Europe to be raped

Special Circumstances · 13-01-2016 07:49AM

NotYourYear20 wrote: »

Ironically, it's also what Righties wanted.

Lolz

Where does that put the people who are saying "wait a minute, we can't just let masses of people, from an alien culture with no respect for women, in unchecked"

Seeing as the lefties want it (and will deny any possible issues could ever arise except through us not welcoming enthusiastically enough) and allegedly the righties want it.... where those that leave the people who don't want it?

Uppies?? Downies?

Superhorse · 13-01-2016 07:58AM

Nobody knew this was coming no siree Bob and anyone who did was of course racist.

Drakares · 13-01-2016 07:59AM

NotYourYear20 wrote: »

Ironically, it's also what Righties wanted.

Non-sense.

I have argued for months now that there would be mass sexual assaults and when the 1+million refugees start to get nice and settled, bombings and killings will start.

Superhorse · 13-01-2016 08:09AM

NotYourYear20 wrote: »

Ironically, it's also what Righties wanted.

The right wanted cheap labour yes but the left wanted their multicultural wet dream. FG/FF/SF/Labour/Greens they all wanted the doors to be thrown open and let 100's of thousands of people into Ireland. Germany, Sweden and Norway are lost now their cultures being destroyed with each passing week.

I don't want that for this country and my two girls growing up in a nation of that ilk. Any representative of those political organisations will be getting a piece of my mind when they come knocking on doors in the next few weeks. Islam and it's teachings are not compatible with western values and if that makes me a racist then so be it.

dissed doc · 13-01-2016 08:18AM

Superhorse wrote: »

The right wanted cheap labour yes but the left wanted their multicultural wet dream. FG/FF/SF/Labour/Greens they all wanted the doors to be thrown open and let 100's of thousands of people into Ireland. Germany, Sweden and Norway are lost now their cultures being destroyed with each passing week.

I don't want that for this country and my two girls growing up in a nation of that ilk. Any representative of those political organisations will be getting a piece of my mind when they come knocking on doors in the next few weeks. Islam and it's teachings are not compatible with western values and if that makes me a racist then so be it.

More stories reported today in the Daily Mail - a 17 year old gang raped by Syrian refugees and 14 year old assaulted at a public swimming pool in Germany
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395924/Girl-17-raped-14-year-old-sister-sexually-assaulted-tried-save-group-Syrian-migrants-surrounded-German-public-swimming-pool.html

A three year old boy gang-raped by asylum seekers at a refugee centre in Norway;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3396107/Three-year-old-boy-raped-multiple-people-asylum-centre-Norway.html

To your TDs, Francis Fitzgerald and Joan Burton, and to gang-rape supporter Peter "Sneering" Sutherland: let them know the policital consequences of bringing such misery to Ireland. They might get their orders from Brussels but they get elected by Irish people.

Don't allow these rape refugee stories to become the norm in Ireland. Don't allow a Cologne in Ireland. Don't allow foreign policy to mean your sister, mother or friend is dragged down screaming in a tunnel.

It is not a left or right issue anymore, so let your TDs know what you want, and what will happen of they continue to take orders from Brussels or vested-interest groups. Your opinion is not up for negotiation. Do not allow them to bring this savagery to Ireland.

Drakares · 13-01-2016 08:54AM

dissed doc wrote: »

More stories reported today in the Daily Mail - a 17 year old gang raped by Syrian refugees and 14 year old assaulted at a public swimming pool in Germany
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395924/Girl-17-raped-14-year-old-sister-sexually-assaulted-tried-save-group-Syrian-migrants-surrounded-German-public-swimming-pool.html

A three year old boy gang-raped by asylum seekers at a refugee centre in Norway;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3396107/Three-year-old-boy-raped-multiple-people-asylum-centre-Norway.html

This is just becoming part of daily life in Germany now..

Stuttgart beats Hamburg 2-1
Euro down by 1.1% vs Dollar
2 girls gangraped by Regugees

Asmooh · 13-01-2016 09:02AM

Few years back, and some Swedish people may remember this.

There was a group of "non europe people" that raped a young girl.
And the law decided that it was her own fault, she was taken of the street helt somewhere against her will.

Things like this: http://vladtepesblog.com/2011/02/26/20-refugees-rape-11-year-old-in-sweden

and this: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/08/28/remember-the-story-of-the-horrific-gang-rape-by-muslim-asylum-seekers-of-a-young-29-year-old-swedish-mother-of-two-it-gets-worse/

Am I allowed to say that I think all muslims should be banned from Europe?

_Kaiser_ · 13-01-2016 09:07AM

Superhorse wrote: »

The right wanted cheap labour yes but the left wanted their multicultural wet dream. FG/FF/SF/Labour/Greens they all wanted the doors to be thrown open and let 100's of thousands of people into Ireland. Germany, Sweden and Norway are lost now their cultures being destroyed with each passing week.

I don't want that for this country and my two girls growing up in a nation of that ilk. Any representative of those political organisations will be getting a piece of my mind when they come knocking on doors in the next few weeks. Islam and it's teachings are not compatible with western values and if that makes me a racist then so be it.

I wish I could thank this more than once

If it's a choice between the safety and security of my son, my family, friends, colleagues and indeed myself and my fellow citizens vs the supposed "rights" and "entitlements" of angry, violent and savage guerrillas then the first group win EVERY time.

If that makes me racist, xenophobic, or whatever other nonsense term the liberal left might like to use then so be it... I'd rather that than be proven right!

If you come to Europe (or indeed Ireland) through legitimate means to work, integrate and contribute, then welcome!
If however you're here to leech from the State, demand the natives change to accommodate you, and bring the "culture" and violence you're supposedly escaping from, then you can just turn around and go back to that hell-hole I'm afraid.

Corpus Twisty · 13-01-2016 09:25AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I genuinely find it astonishing that you are attempting to explain away the assault and rape of innocent women as "they know no better" but we need to rescue the children and let Europe deal with the rest.

I am someone who is increasingly more strongly against the whole concept of the EU and what it means for the nations of Europe and their citizens through the systematic stripping of national sovereignty and the rights of people in their own country - but even I can see that a unified and determined hard response is needed to address this latest (and most dangerous) crisis the EU has landed us with.

Endless talk and liberal idealism of saving "the good ones" is exactly why parts of Europe are becoming like the warzones these people have come from. Our police and military forces need to start taking a similarly hard-line approach to rounding up and deporting these people before the current situation gets truly out of hand. Our "leaders" also need to be ready for the next wave that will be gathering on the shores of North Africa in only a few months so that we don't have another summer/autumn "free for all" that innocent women are paying for now.

And as for little old Ireland.. anyone who thinks that the same won't happen here if the likes of Frances Fitzgerald and the rest of the current Government have their way is deluded. This is now a national issue and one that people should be quizzing TDs on as they arrive on your doorstep in the coming weeks. You think places like Germany and Sweden have responded badly? Just wait till we're relying on the Gardai to deal with such attacks - a crowd that can't even effectively deal with junkies and dealers on our capital's streets!

If Europe doesn't act now to stop this, it'll be our children who will pay the heaviest price for it.

If you use the analogy about crap Irish Politicians -"But sure they fixed the pot-holes" - which excuses all other ills, and assures re-election, you can also use that analogy about the EU -"But sure they built the roads and "exports" somthing somthing"....never mind all the other destructive policies.

ceadaoin. · 13-01-2016 09:27AM

Asmooh wrote: »

Few years back, and some Swedish people may remember this.

There was a group of "non europe people" that raped a young girl.
And the law decided that it was her own fault, she was taken of the street helt somewhere against her will.

Things like this: http://vladtepesblog.com/2011/02/26/20-refugees-rape-11-year-old-in-sweden

and this: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/08/28/remember-the-story-of-the-horrific-gang-rape-by-muslim-asylum-seekers-of-a-young-29-year-old-swedish-mother-of-two-it-gets-worse/

Am I allowed to say that I think all muslims should be banned from Europe?

Look, there is no denying that there is a problem with Muslim culture, actually there are a lot of problems. Treatment of women is just one of them. That doesn't mean that there aren't people from within that culture that do need refuge and help. Im sure that for every one of these scumbags, there is a family in despair needing a new life and I would like to think that most people who come to Europe or anywhere else choose to abide by the law of the land they live in and work, contribute etc.

So you can't ban all Muslims from Europe but it's an understandable knee jerk reaction to these disgusting attacks. Despite what some might say, it doesn't make you a racist. I have a daughter and honestly, even though I'm not living in Europe right now, I'm scared for her future if this is allowed to continue.

These people (the ones committing these crimes) are exploiting the open borders to gain access to and terrorize our societies. But stopping all immigration isn't the answer. Tighter controls is but honestly I dont know how that can be implemented in Europe? Canada has the right idea - families, women and children only but they have the benefit of an ocean surrounding them that enables them to pick and choose.

Corpus Twisty · 13-01-2016 09:43AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

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These people (the ones committing these crimes) are exploiting the open borders to gain access to and terrorize our societies. But stopping all immigration isn't the answer. Tighter controls is but honestly I dont know how that can be implemented in Europe? Canada has the right idea - families, women and children only but they have the benefit of an ocean surrounding them that enables them to pick and choose.

If only we had the same...hang on..

ByfocalPhoto · 13-01-2016 09:46AM

A few posters have explained the behaviour of these individuals in terms of educational or cultural background . I have no problem with that. I understand the difference between explaining and excusing.
I can explain the Holocaust but I would never attempt to excuse or justify it.

_Kaiser_ · 13-01-2016 09:49AM

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

If only we had the same...hang on..

Ah but remember that we share a unmanned/unmonitored land border with the UK and we've already seen cases of migrants turning up here in trucks, ie:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/lorry-stowaway-from-afghanistan-found-on-motorway-1.2299819

Who knows how many others have arrived here undocumented in the last year? If the UK closes its borders and leaves the EU (which I think could happen yet), it might actually be a good thing for this country as well seeing as our own FG/LAB Government are too busy being the good children of Europe and welcoming them all with open arms!

walshyn93 · 13-01-2016 09:56AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Look, there is no denying that there is a problem with Muslim culture, actually there are a lot of problems. Treatment of women is just one of them. That doesn't mean that there aren't people from within that culture that do need refuge and help. Im sure that for every one of these scumbags, there is a family in despair needing a new life and I would like to think that most people who come to Europe or anywhere else choose to abide by the law of the land they live in and work, contribute etc.

So you can't ban all Muslims from Europe but it's an understandable knee jerk reaction to these disgusting attacks. Despite what some might say, it doesn't make you a racist. I have a daughter and honestly, even though I'm not living in Europe right now, I'm scared for her future if this is allowed to continue.

These people (the ones committing these crimes) are exploiting the open borders to gain access to and terrorize our societies. But stopping all immigration isn't the answer. Tighter controls is but honestly I dont know how that can be implemented in Europe? Canada has the right idea - families, women and children only but they have the benefit of an ocean surrounding them that enables them to pick and choose.

No one is denying that there are people who need refuge. The question is it worth helping them? I personally don't think it is. I would honestly send them all back to Syria to prevent anything like this from happening here. It's just not worth ruining what we have.

ByfocalPhoto · 13-01-2016 10:02AM

Nothing annoys the lefties more then when the right calls it correctly.
The main left weapon is language. People of opposing view are labelled -ist or -phobic then denigrated.
On this occasion they are furious because they have got it painfully searingly wrong. Even the normally liberal leaning news media have been forced to face the obvious. Albeit after a number of days.
It was interesting that the first thing they reported was the extreme right backlash. We all said "backlash to what?" Then they had to tell us. Now the floodgates are open.
I am hereby proud to be labelled realist and nutterphobic.

Potatoeman · 13-01-2016 10:06AM

walshyn93 wrote: »

I personally found it unbelievable that someone would hear of these allegations and not "burrow into them" especially when the white girls' parents were more than likely voters and the Pakistani men were likely not.

They were afraid to be called racist and have their career ended. Just look at the Irish politician (?) that had his career ended for complaining about Africians immigrants very rudley demanding benefits and hassling him at his office.

ByfocalPhoto · 13-01-2016 10:13AM

Potatoeman wrote:

They were afraid to be called racist and have their career ended. Just look at the Irish politician (?) that had his career ended for complaining about Africians immigrants very rudley demanding benefits and hassling him at his office.

I seem to recall he was a local politician in Naas.
It is true that the PC thought police are quite happy to see you fired or out of business for just holding the "wrong" opinion.
The UK is very pc. You can be fired from a job for being -ist or -phobic.

ceadaoin. · 13-01-2016 10:17AM

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

If only we had the same...hang on..

Im not sure the Irish Sea is on the same level as the Atlantic ocean. There isn't much stopping someone getting to ireland if they really want to once they are in the UK. Luckily the UK has been somewhat controlled with their intake of refugees

BigJackC · 13-01-2016 10:31AM

Vice wrote:

The clearest thing to come out of the debate around what happened in Cologne as of yet is that Germany has a sexism issue and a racism issue. Both are deep-rooted and were not "imported." It's our responsibility as a society to move towards a culture that celebrates mutual consent and respects boundaries. And that applies to all people, because one sexual assault is one too many—no matter where it took place and who it involved.

Germany accepts a million foreign migrants and then they're called racist. You cannot win with these lunatics. Multiculturalists have a religious dedication to their false narrative which will never be changed. They should be sidelined while decent Europeans solve this issue.

Little CuChulainn · 13-01-2016 10:58AM

nokia69 wrote: »

The very last thing we want is the women/girls of Europe to be raped

Who does want that?

dissed doc · 13-01-2016 11:13AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Who does want that?

Joan Burton, Peter Sutherland, Francis Fitzgerald to name a few.

If it achieves their goals, they very much want that. There is no proof so far they want anything else. What else is happening so far? What other consequences have there been besides sexual violence and deaths?

Merkel tore up EU law, tore up the Dublin Agreement. She wanted the uncontrolled unscreened importation of violent North African military-age males.

Is there some other conclusion I should be reaching? Some other consequence I should be seeing?

Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

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